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[utopians]

I consider myself a real hater but sometimes you really do go too far with haterism. once I had to break mutuals with someone bc they hated the entire art form of poetry and the final straw was when they started hateposting about soup. The food

[moveslikekeithrichards]

this might be kind of a reach but is there a way for printers to connect to devices so that documents can be printed from them

[terkaterr]

ah doing ma thing just like god int- (remembers im atheist) just like the universe intend- (remembers i don't believe in determinism) just like noone and nothing intended ever. doin ma thang fucking unpredictable style

[tadfieldwhickberchronicles]

Neil Gaiman is a rapist and his shitty finale should have never been made.

Asa and Anthony are not Aziraphale and Crowley.

Aziraphale and Crowley died.

It's not crazy or unreasonable to be disappointed they didn't kiss again when they ALREADY KISSED in season 2. Not following up on the kiss is a narrative loose thread that was never properly addressed and it's crazy that gay couples are still getting this kind of treatment on screen. I also don't think it was particularly good ace rep, either.

Criticizing the finale and Asanthony doesn't make you a fake fan.

The finale had tons of writing and production issues. It's not unfair to criticize them.

The TV show is not the only canon and it's fine to reject it. The book is its own thing.

[spacefruit]

hey so does the #ForTerry shit by finale defenders piss anyone else off? like the endless refrains of “this was for terry! this is the ending he wanted! this was what he planned all along!” in addition to being a pointless argument it’s also exploiting a dead man’s name and reputation to distract from the reality that GO3 was a product of Neil Gaiman and two of his friends. it was right there in the end credits. three writers were listed for the teleplay and only Gaiman was listed for the television story. that’s it!

like whose word are they taking for GO2/3 being from plot discussions for a never-materialized sequel to the book? Neil Gaiman?? Pathological liar and serial abuser Neil Gaiman?? give me a fucking break. as if his general character isn’t enough to make it clear he is not a trustworthy source, the man already lied through his teeth about S1 being the totality of show!omens and switched up the story to justify an obvious cash+attention grab. and some people are still taking his word that this is what he and Pratchett supposedly planned? without a shred of actual concrete evidence? i need them to expeditiously get a fucking grip

and quite frankly I don’t give a shit what anyone on the production team or from the Pratchett Estate has said on the matter. because to be blunt i’m sure it eases the discomfort of having helped produce a Gaiman creation post-2024 to focus on the other co-writer of the book and pretend it was for/inspired by him. as for whatever the Pratchett estate has said, shockingly enough being the executor of an estate does not grant you moral authority nor divine omniscience into a dead person’s thoughts. but i do think Pratchett’s whole “bulldoze my works-in-progress after I die” request sent a pretty fucking clear message that his estate ignored in favor of making money. and they got monkey paw’d by allowing Gaiman to continue writing for, and thereby forever tarnishing the legacy of, something that was at least 75% a Pratchett creation.

it’s whatever if people liked the finale but liking it AND spinning a narrative that obfuscates the ginormous rancid elephant in the room is just plain fucked up. like i get this is a “why were YOU at the devil’s sacrament situation” but at a bare minimum i think being in fandom where the source material’s creator did/does terrible things requires honesty and accountability about that fact, but apparently that’s too much for some good omens fans. this is like the final boss of the internet’s misuse of Death of the Author as a way to ignore difficult issues and pretend a creator’s opinions/biases/ideologies don’t influence their creations. turns out you don’t have to navigate complex moral dilemmas if you just distort reality and refuse to acknowledge said moral dilemmas! who knew!

[biblicalbuddycomedy]

Look, if it’s not written by the original author it’s fanfic.

If two people wrote it together and one is dead, then it’s impossible for subsequent portions to have the same authorship.

QED, Seasons 2-3 ARE, technically, fanfic. Some of 2 was quite enjoyable fanfic! But the point is…the point is… the point I’m trying to make is… you needn’t feel obligated to accept ANY of it as canon. Guilt free.

[katknowsbest]

It's an odd choice to put Asa and Anthony things on the Aziracrow bench when they have absolutely no way of knowing what that bench represents. If you really wanted to honor Asanthony properly, you'd take the bench, feed it into a wood chipper, replace it with a new bench that looks kind of similar to the old one but obviously isn't the same bench, and then pretend the original bench never existed.

[gumy-shark]

playing stupid games but im really bad at them so im not even winning the stupid prizes

[realdinahshore]

GO3 is Crowley's payback

S2 and S3 are halves of the same dialogue.

Everyone's saying how Crowley "choosing humanity" over Aziraphale feels OOC—usually it's the other way around (that's how Crowley got stuck in his infinite yearn loop). In S2, Aziraphale faces this ultimatum where he can either choose C or Heaven, and he chooses Heaven. He also tells C "I forgive you", which can feel like it came out of nowhere. Why?

Notice how Aziraphale PAYS for his choice in S3: Mrs. Sandwich has a go at him when he's back on Whickber St; God calls him a few variations of "selfish dick" at the end. "I forgive you" was meant to feel like it came out of nowhere because it was a culmination of A's hurtful, subconscious microactions against C.

Aziraphale realises this at the end of S3. In apology, he sacrifices Aziracrow Eternity to ask what Crowley wants. He expects Crowley will want the same thing but—in a seemingly OOC move—Crowley picks humanity.

Which is Crowley's answer. By choosing Aziraphale, Crowley would have returned his "I forgive you", and Crowley does not forgive him.

Crowley gave them their happy ending in a different universe to make a point: "I forgive you in another universe, but you missed your chance here".

[ryebreadgf]

once I snorted a fat line of nuance and everything started depending. watch out

[katknowsbest]

I actually kind of hate the, "they're part of the big bang. They make up the universe. They're in everything now" copium because like... you do understand something similar happens when we die, yes? When we die, we go into the earth, worms and bugs eat us, and we become the dirt and the grass and the trees. It might be poetic in theory, but if I get hit by a bus today, my loved ones aren't gonna be like, "omg she became the Earth. What a perfect ending! ❤️❤️❤️" Like no, that's literally just what it means to be dead.

[katknowsbest]

Hey @neil-gaiman, if killing one's self to make a better world is really such a great ending, then perhaps it's time to consider how much better off the world would be without you and get on that.