What the heaven , angel!?

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What the heaven , angel!?
it really is just so funny in a terrible way that in the lead up to this absolute slopfest of a finale, certain players kept feeding this narrative that it was [sparkle noise] for the fans. but didn’t stop to consider that a script written by NG and his two sycophantic buddies was perhaps not the best gift and was instead the storytelling equivalent of chucking a grenade into a crowded room and locking the door behind them
I mean, I already said that I think referencing so many Book Quotes in Crowley’s ‘confrontation’ with God was a really counterproductive move because a lot of these quotes do not actually support the point Crowley is trying to make and, because, like, it’s hard to create an impression you’re making a poignant statement both deconstructing and building on the themes of the previous seasons… if you also apparently can’t think of anything cleverer to say than what was written at the start of the 1990 book.
But I do want to give more focus on this line he stole from Adam…
Which, like, first thing first, this feels very ironic. A reminder of how much TV Omens has previously downplayed the Humanist themes of the Novel for the sake of focusing on the Ineffable Husbands (by, for example, cutting down Adam’s debate with Heaven and Hell significantly just to give Crowley and Aziraphale more focus) and is now turning around and trying to pretend it has totally being about Humanity all along.... While still only having Supernatural Non-Humans do all the talking.
It’s also a line that works much better for a child like Adam than for Crowley. Like the whole point of the gag about ‘the Problem of Evil’ is supposed to be “Oooh, Crowley isn’t asking the Most Trite Theological Question Ever, he’s got something actually insightful to say!” But then his question is just, like, the second most trite theological question ever!
It works with Adam cause he’s a child using his child’s wisdom and simple common sense to disrupt the Cosmic Grown Ups around him. He is asking Obvious Questions, but just because they might be Obvious, that doesn’t mean the adult authority figures around him have remotely good answers for them. Bringing in a fresh and direct perspective, without the bullshit and hypocrisy... That’s the power of a child asking questions.
Meanwhile, Crowley is over 6000 Years old and has ‘Theological Bullshitting’ as one of his main hobbies, so this does not work nearly as well for him.
And, because the line has taken out of context of both what came before and after it, it’s also way weaker. Within Adam’s dialogue, it is very clear he’s critiquing the concepts of Good and Evil specifically a bad way of judging Human morality. Crowley takes that line and only that one line and like you can argue that with the other misapplied quotes he is still applying Binary Good and Evil to Human behavior even as he’s saying Humans are capable of both, so it kinda feels like he’s just saying that Consequences in general are antithetical to Real Free Will??
Which is very ironic considering Adam’s line the original context immediately segways to him wishing people would be more aware of the consequences of their actions on Earth. And… like, as with many things about this ending, I can see what they were trying to do here. Adam says the Human way to judge people is based on the effects of their actions on the world, but he lives in a Biblically Literalist world where people are judged based on abstract scales of Good and Evil that have little to do with the Human viewpoint. Now Crowley is actually arguing for removing that system, Heaven and Hell, so that the only thing that does matter are Human actions on Earth if you discount the fact that Humans still invented these abstract scales of Good and Evil without celestial and divine interface and kept judging other Humans by that, I guess that’s still an improvement over it being an Objective Fact of the Universe.
I get what they were trying to do, even if I feel like Crowley’s dialogue, and the Finale as a whole, really fails to deliver on its intentions. Mostly it’s because Adam’s argument is reduced to a single catchy quote in a sea of out-of-context catchy book quotes that do not inherently support it. But also… it feels so ironic to have this specific argument from Adam here, in this story, when Adam literally words as such…
Trying to sort it out while you're still alive used to be the Human way of doing things too...
What happened to that?
“they will find each other in every universe 🥺🥺” ok well let me know when that happens then because what we saw was two old rizless men not being attracted to each other for a few minutes.
will i be shot if i say i think that one of the good omens tv show's biggest mistakes and the start of the writing downfall was retconning aziracrow to have met as angels
It's not important, and I've seen plenty of discourse to the contrary.. but it's still bothering me.
You want me to believe that a being who's given in to EVERY earthly delight he's come across.. food, drink, dancing, clothes, theatre, books, music, intrigue.. would suddenly and arbitrarily draw the line at a little bit of lust with his true love of 6,000 years? Especially when he finds out his feelings are reciprocated?! And then end with Bury Your Gays?! But here, have some other unrelated gays you just met and know nothing about other than they look just like the ones we just killed off. No. And I'll thank you to fuck all the way off.
I refuse to legitimize a work that shows such contempt and even outright malice towards the fans who made its creation possible.
THE GOOD PLACE 1.03 — Tahani Al Jamil
Two things this website hates and that’s women and gay people who are gay in the “I have sex with other gay people” way and not some sort of thinly defined yearning and homophobic joke based system largely applied to brothers and male coworkers in early 2000s television shows. Three things this website hates actually sorry silly me but this website does hate black people.
season 3 (and 2, to an extent) fail to me for a lot of reasons but especially because aziraphale and crowley aren’t supposed to be the heroes of humanity or whatever.
they’re lazy, selfish, and hedonistic immortal beings who want to save the world so they can continue driving cool cars and eating expensive food. they do not give a single fuck about their coworkers or the details of their jobs, and fumble their way through everything remotely heroic. why are these dweebs making any major decisions about humanity or speaking directly to god herself? why are we turning them into self sacrificing jesus figures?
june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be good june will be
"but they are together in the credits!!!" yeeees, the credits!!!! very famous for their use in making a story stop being nonsensical
Good Omens 3: Diversity Win! We cast a queer Palestinian man to play Jesus, so you can watch him mourn that he never got a true shot at life before being obliterated into dust on-screen. We also cast a Black woman to play God when the script made her an actively cruel deity who uses the (alleged) last moments of her existence to call Aziraphale fat and lazy and clarify that she did, in fact, want to blow up the Earth after 6,000 years. But don’t worry, she fujo’d out about the demon and angel right before killing them. Woke!
thinking of what could have been if John Finnemore had been given the reins for S3
what if the conclusion of a biblical parody had been written by a comedy writer, instead of a sex predator and his sycophantic pals... hmm...
we could have had the guy who made the Job mini-episode... instead, we got the Dollar Tree reprise of Sandman...
I think what bothers me most about the human version of Crowley at the end is that he truly is nothing like the Crowley we know, because he’s like Angel Crowley. This whole finale pushed a rhetoric that Crowley never deserved to fall, that he was the purest of them all, and that’s just…wrong. Even as an Angel, Crowley had faults. Prideful, dismissive, certainly not aligning with the good Angel archetype they’ve posthumously assigned to him. This gets especially infuriating if we consider demon Crowley as, on many levels, a metaphor for the effects of trauma. Crowley has said many times that the Angel he was is not who he is now, and we see that so clearly over the course of the show. He’s hurt and angry and tired, he’s clearly been impacted by the events that happened to him and that all plays in to his character. So for them to decide that all of that is irrelevant and discard it in favor of a watered down human version that reflects a self Crowley left behind long ago, it really feels like a slap in the face. It’s like they took all of what Crowley thought Aziraphale was saying in the final fifteen and made it reality. You only get to be loved if you are an angel. You only get to be loved if we erase the past that has shaped who you are. You only get to be loved as a memory of someone who no longer exists. And I just think that sends a really sad message.
so you’re telling me rob wilkins, executive producer of all three seasons of good omens, of the “aziraphale wanted crowley to kiss him again” fame, hated good omens s3. you’re telling me that filming for s3 wrapped in february 2025 and at the ineffable con in august 2025 rob wilkins said two things: “nothing can top the kiss... apart from... i can't talk about season 3 can i" and that there’s no reason for there not to be more aziraphale and crowley, they have their lives to live together going forward. you’re telling me that in august 2025 it was also revealed that post production was still ongoing, meaning that s3 hadn’t yet been finalized into its final cut. not even mentioning the layers of neil gaiman psychological torture this entire thing fucking goes… you’re telling me rob was EXCITED after filming but DISAPPOINTED after the release? do you know what i say to all of that? #rwse. do you know what that means? ROB WILKINS SECRET ENDING
He's also been posting cryptic tweets about being silenced btw...
I’M SORRY?
It's just Discworld quotes, but the one thing they all have in common is that they mention silence. These were posted in the days leading up to the finale, and he doesn't normally post things like that, so I've been wondering if it's connected haha
(to the tune of mary had a little lamb): mary had a little lamb