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[narcissa-black-supermacy]

i thought the “this is the face that launched a thousand ships, although now it would maybe be five-hundred.” line was just an internet joke but apparently that's a line Menelaus actually says in Nolan's Odyssey??

Not only that the language itself sounds straight out of a marvel forcibly funny haha moment, but Menelaus? The Menelaus who all thoughout human history, from Homer, to Sappho, to Euripides, to Virgil, to Shakespeare, to Brooke, to Barth; from Classical vases to Medieval poetry to Reinessance art, has been known as the man whose sword fell from his hands at the sight of his wife after 10 years apart?

"What joy for me to hold my wife" Menelaus?

"He flung the sword away, and kissed her feet" Menelaus?

"I believe all. I understand nothing. I love you" Menelaus?

"I have no fault to find; my wife, he daughter of Zeus and Leda, is mine again, she whom her brothers on their snow-white steeds, whilst torches blazed, made my happy bride, but gods removed her from my home." Menelaus?

The Menelaus who was picked out of the suitors by Helen herself? The Menelaus who couldn't kill a begging Trojan so his brother had to do it for him? The Menelaus who rescued Odysseus and got out Patroclus' body? The Menelaus who volounteered to fight Paris one on one so everybody could go home? Who kept expressing his guilt about himself being the cause of war through every assembly he spoke at in the Iliad? Who after 10 years away at Troy, took his wife through a 7-year long journey at sea back home, where he reinstated her as the queen of Sparta? Who wept like a child in front of Telemachus recalling the war and his brother and all the friends he lost and the only consolation being his wife' gentle hand on his?

You want me to believe that man scarred Helen's face and called her only worth half the ships because of it?

I'm actually physically sick just thinking about it.

[melonisopod]

My theories in case Outis turns out not to be Odysseus:

Theory 1: Outis is Penelope (Would disappoint me in some ways but they've done these kinds of switchouts before. Seems at least a little likely since we've had references to loom-weaving and costume design out of Outis before)

Theory 2: Outis is Telemachus (Given Kim Jihoon's penchant for themes of family conflict and generational trauma, it *could* be interesting to see Outis grapple with having to live up to her father's reputation, while also giving fans more reading material)

Theory 3: Outis is Eurylochus (This sorta came up as a crack theory of mine, the idea that Odysseus' right hand man who knew he was sacrificing his crew to get ahead ended up ultimately taking his place and remaining loyal to him after...probably the Helios sheep incident? Would draw an interesting parallel to Don Quixote since this would mean she took up the mantle of her superior)

Theory 4: Outis is Athena and Dante is Odysseus (Very unlikely but fun to consider. Maybe that explains her high-and-mighty attitude. Dante is still in the 'lotus-eater' phase and Athena's here to wake them up? Maybe the real purpose of the Odyssey was the friends we made along the way? Yeah I highly doubt this but please consider how funny it would be)

[tfh-arts]

Let's steal those balls everyone

[epicycleconfessions]

Confession #1

[sloanslone]

ONG ODYSSEY TELEMACHUS WAS SO GIRLBOSS-

SPEAK YO TRUTH KINGGGGGGG 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[vvenli]

🌟✨

[kittylinarez-blog]

" 1. 1

[meiratheghost]

Aim for the heart, Gregor.

[when-the-pawnn]

Penelope & Telemachus

[kittylinarez-blog]

Hamlet

[when-the-pawnn]

Penelope & Telemachus

[maximumqueer]

The way hunger and consumption (both literal and metaphorical) are portrayed in the Odyssey is so fascinating to me. I could talk about it at just about any point in the story, with how it permeates it, but I want to focus in on the parallels of it between the metaphorical and the physical in Odysseus himself when he returns to Ithaca, and is then disguised as a beggar to get a lay of the land and plan out his revenge on the suitors.

Odysseus, while in disguise, is metaphorically hungry - starving. He has not seen his homeland, his son, his wife, in 20 years. And he cannot immediately reveal himself to them - to anyone, ending his unwilling fast. He must remain hidden and separate from them, revealing himself piecemeal to them. This parallels his seeming appearance. He is in the guise of a person who is (as the text of the Odyssey presents it) defined by physical hunger. A beggar is constantly looking for their next meal, always in a deprived state despite oftentimes being surrounded by ongoing feasts and the like. Much like how Odysseus is constantly surrounded by the people he cares for - loves - but is unable to properly interact with them as himself. Instead he must weave lies and tests for them to ensure their loyalty, like how a beggar must ask for scraps from the feasting tables. His exposure to those he cares for mirrors the begging he mimics when he goes around the suitors asking for crusts of bread. He cannot yet have the full meal of making himself known to his people, but instead can only have a taste of it in the form of only being known to his son until the suitors are killed. And while this is a meaningful gesture and encounter, it is hardly the full course meal of being properly reunited with his homeland that Odysseus craves. 

We then get a moment of Odysseus (most likely subconsciously) caving to his hunger when he requests for an older maid to wash his feet. He wants to be known, to have that hunger sated, even though he immediately regrets it. It parallels the way he talks about physical hunger in his beggar persona, placing shame on what the stomach demands of the man. He - while not quite experiencing shame over his request - does show doubt, regret at his lapse in judgement brought on by the proximity of his wife. He does not want his hunger to rule over him in this way, and yet it does. Much like how hunger rules over the beggar - how the expected hunger of beggar Odysseus drives him to fight Irus, his hunger for being known by his family leads him to accidentally (or perhaps - unconsciously - on purpose) revealing himself to his nursemaid - Eurycleia. 

Odysseus, upon reaching Ithaca, is in a constant state of starvation. One he is not allowed to shed (along with his beggar disguise) until he removes the cause of his house’s starvation - the suitors overweening of his goods, their greedy devouring of his livestock, the devouring of his wine, and of the devouring of Penelope's patience and reslove. He must remove the starvation of his kingdom to rid himself of his starvation for that very same kingdom. Only then is he allowed to cast off his disguise of the beggar - the man bound by hunger - reclaim his house, and feast at last.

[deepblueokay]

claire from slings & arrows s1 popping up as the horrible fundraiser lady in heated rivalry 103 reminded me of this perfect scene

geoffrey tennant still one of the characters of all time 2 me ❤️

[vampirefutanari]

Just because I'm a vampire, doesn't mean I've forgotten my knightly vows. I am still loyal, chivalrous, and brave. You can trust me. e-even if my urges sometimes...overtake m--stop pulling on my lips to look at my fangs

[maximumqueer]

I find it deeply ironic that The Odyssey, an over 2000 year old epic poem, that was written in a time period that was no doubt more patriarchal and misogynistic than today on average, managed be more "feminist" (putting feminist in quotes because the concept of feminism as a political movent did not exist back then) in it's writing of Penelope, where her strength was directly tied to her womanhood, where her femininity was in fact her strength, not her weakness, compared to quote unquote feminist retellings or au's that position Penelope as a warrior, inadvertently implying that she is strong despite or in spite of her womanhood, or because she rejected the traditionally feminine, and instead assign her strength to what could be considered toxicly masculine ideals of strength (that the only way for a character to be strong, man or woman, is for them to be physically capable of fighting, emotionally stoic, etc.)

And this not to say that women cannot or should not be warriors or the like, they absolutely should! But more so that *only* having women be shown as strong through our still horrifically misogynistic ideal of strength that equates what is viewed as traditionally masculine with said strength creates a dichotomy where the traits that are the opposite (and as such viewed as feminine) are then presented as weaknesses. It gets worse when a feminine character (because this does not just apply to women, but to any character that would be considered feminine or presented as feminine by the text) is either assumed weak by the audience despite the opposite being presented or, because of those traits (as is often the case with female characters) have their entire character overhauled to better suit what we as a (western) culture associate with strength, which also is what we associate with masculinity.

I guess it is just frustrating to see people be so...dismissive of Penelope's actual accomplishments in the Odyssey solely due to the fact that they where not achieved with weaponry or physical strength. She *is* strong! She doesn't need to be able to wield a spear for that to be true, she doesn't have to be emotionally stoic for that to be true. Hell, *Odysseus* himself, who does more closely fulfill traditional ideals of strength, is not emotionally stoic! He weeps, he is afraid, he loses himself to anger, but never does the text present him as weak for these emotions! Neither does the text present Penelope as weak for hers!

Idk, just stop trying to put characters into neat little boxes. A weaver can be strong and resilient, and a warrior can be emotionally open and vulnerable (and vice versa!) These are complex characters, whose strengths do not lie in one thing solely, but rather in the combination of who they are in their entirety.

[alabanza-a-lucretia]

Controversial opinion...

The first person who thought "Odysseus was always in love with Penelope, he only participated in the oath because they asked for it, but he was never interested in Helen" can go to hell if it were up to me.

Please, people.

When are we going to understand that someone feels romantic and sexual interest more than once?

I can name at least three examples of this:

• A moment from "The Song of Achilles"

• The song "pick me" by Jorge Rivera-Herrans

• A narration of the epic cycle made by a YouTube channel

And all I can think is... "¿What is the need?"

It's more... ¿WHAT IS THE NEED THAT MADE ODYSSEUS REJECT HELEN?!

If anyone wants to contradict my position they can do so. I am open to changing my mind.

[kittylinarez-blog]

@katerinaaqu what do you I think? I heard a version of the myth that Odysseus didn't ever bring gifts (to Helen and his father) because he knew that he didn't stand a chance. It's accurate?

[alabanza-a-lucretia]

Controversial opinion...

The first person who thought "Odysseus was always in love with Penelope, he only participated in the oath because they asked for it, but he was never interested in Helen" can go to hell if it were up to me.

Please, people.

When are we going to understand that someone feels romantic and sexual interest more than once?

I can name at least three examples of this:

• A moment from "The Song of Achilles"

• The song "pick me" by Jorge Rivera-Herrans

• A narration of the epic cycle made by a YouTube channel

And all I can think is... "¿What is the need?"

It's more... ¿WHAT IS THE NEED THAT MADE ODYSSEUS REJECT HELEN?!

If anyone wants to contradict my position they can do so. I am open to changing my mind.

[mayyak]

Your D/N/A

[kittylinarez-blog]

Hello! So, right now, I am hyper-fixated with Epic, which is a pretty popular musical about the Odyssey. I have been looking for an edit or AMV of Limbus Company using one of these songs; however, I haven't found any. Probably, I have to wait for Outis Canto getting released to wake up all the sleeper agents.

However, I thought that I might as well be the first one (I think) to made one. I hope you guys enjoy. Also, this is the first time that I edit a video, so any feedback is gonna be well received ;)