Charlastor shippers pretending to ship Vaggi and Carmilla together to get Vaggi out of the way for their hetslop is a new low for that group I will admit.
I saw someone saying that any adult in agere is a predator and I was about to have a conversation about that, but then I saw āRadfemā in their bio and everything made sense.
With that- donāt listen to that kind of rhetoric. You enjoy your whimsy and create the childhood you never got to have. ā¤ļø
A/N: These might piss some people off, but I really donāt care. Itās my account and if you donāt like what I have to say, youāre free to scroll and block me.
| HAZBIN HOTEL |
Genocide is not justified just because a few Sinners did unspeakable things when they were alive.
Charlie choosing to focus primarily on the Sinners rather than the imps and other hellborns makes sense.
Angel Dust is objectively not bad sexual assault representation. Trauma is a very complex issue and there is not a singular correct way to respond to it.
āPoisonā doesnāt romanticize/fetishize abuse. Using catchy pop music to help portray serious issues is a tale as old as time.
Valentino wasnāt āwoobifiedā in season two. All they did was show another side of him that exists, because abusers realistically do not act shitty to everyone around them 24/7. Humanizing Val doesnāt mean that the writers think heās a good person, or that they think what he does is okay.
Vox did not rape Alastor. Yes, forced voyeurism is a form of sexual assault, but not all sexual assault is rape. And no, what Vox did was not acceptable in any way, and the narrative explicitly shows that.
Voxās feelings surrounding Alastorās rejection were justified, but him holding onto that resentment for 70+ years was not healthy. Likewise, Alastor didnāt need to be so harsh in response to Voxās proposal.
Alastor is manipulating Charlie for his own gain.
Charlie and Vaggi are currently the healthiest couple in the show. Having flaws ā toxic.
Alastor is currently an antagonist, not a villain.
Vox and Velvette are just as bad as Valentino. They all enable each other and benefit from their respective actions.
Charlieās character did not regress in season two. She has always been shown to be naive, impulsive and quick to trust others without thinking. While difficult to watch, her downfall is integral to her character development.
Charlie is not a Mary-Sue. The people who say this have no clue what a Mary-Sue actually is. She has flaws, is constantly shown to be in the wrong, and almost everybody outside of the hotel dislikes her.
Angel going back to Val at the end of season two is not bad writing, nor does it mean that Angel is a static character. It is a realistic portrayal of the relationship between a victim and their abuser.
Someone liking Valentino does not mean they condone his actions or support what he does. He is a fictional character, and depiction doesnāt equal endorsement.
Valentino being pansexual has nothing to do with him being a rapist.
Alastor being canonically asexual does not mean he canāt be shipped with other characters or even have sex. No sexual attraction ā celibate.
Sera turning over a new leaf is a good thing, but what was it specifically about Pentious that made her want to stop exterminations? Had it been anyone else, would she have continued allowing genocide?
Rosie owning Alastorās soul doesnāt mean that RadioRose canāt be possible.
GuitarSpear being confirmed was pure fan-service.
CherriSnake and RadioStatic were also handled in a fanservice-y way.
Lucifer is trying to be a good dad, but his neurodivergence, PTSD, and religious trauma gets in the way.
Vaggi taking the āeā out of her name makes sense, I just wish we got to see her make that decision on screen.
The way Charlie, and everybody else, has treated Angel thus far contributed to him wanting to go back to his abuser.
Husk isnāt the only one affected by Angelās absence. Cherri has had to watch her best friend walk back to the man whoās hurt him over and over again, and having there be nothing she can do about it.
Charlie not killing Valentino in āMasqueradeā was the right thing to do. In addition to being grossly out of character for her, respecting Angelās autonomy in that moment was what she needed to do. Angel and Valentino are trauma-bonded, and abruptly bringing an end to their relationship without Angelās consent could result in catastrophe.
Anyone can be redeemed, but not everyone has what it takes for redemption.
āEasyā was the perfect song for Charlie and Vaggi.
Vaggi not wanting to open up to Charlie about her past as an exorcists makes sense. Charlie was also valid for being upset.
Cherri and Angelās friendship is grossly underrated.
| HELLUVA BOSS |
Blitz was not entitled to Stolasās book. Stolas permitted him to use it for his business, which he didnāt need to use because he was already doing well, but he wanted to bring his business to Earth in order get more clients. In the Harvest Moon episode, Blitz says that the Grimoire is his easiest ticket to Earth, not the only one.
The Stolitz deal was not coercion. Sure, the way it started was questionable since Stolas literally proposed it when Blitz was being shot at, but he had opportunities to back out at any time. He didnāt, though, because he enjoyed having sex with Stolas.
Octavia is partially to blame for what happened in āSeeing Starsā. There was ample time to wait since they wouldnāt be seeing the stars until that evening. I know sheās a teenager and teenagers can be impulsive, but this incident wasnāt all on Stolas.
Moxxie being sexually assaulted is overlooked because heās a man. Verosika didnāt just make ākissy facesā at him, she touched him while he was telling her not to.
Verosika still feeling hurt from what Blitz did to her is valid, but throwing toxic parties dedicated to hating him isnāt helping.
Stolas being sexually assaulted is also overlooked because heās a man.
Stella being abusive is not retcon. If you paid attention to the show you can see that sheās been a nasty person since the start.
Stolas did not cheat. Both he and Stella were forced into an arranged marriage that neither of them wanted. She was only upset because Stolas slept with an imp. (āI would feel bad if I hurt you, but we both know I didnāt do that.ā)
Stolas did in fact face consequences for his actions. He lost his powers, his daughter, his palace, and his wealth all at once. He acknowledges his wrongdoings several times over the course of season two. In āAll 2 Uā, Stolas sings: āmaybe itās all on me for missing every sign and every glance and every turnā. Then during Sinsmas he says: āyou donāt need to feel sorry for me, all of this was my choiceā.
Octavia has a right to feel abandoned by Stolas. Heās been there for her since she was very young, and now in her mind, it seems as though her father is choosing a stranger over her.
Beelzebub being skinny instead of chubby, despite being the embodiment of gluttony, makes sense.
Loona is not a bad daughter. She has a fear of abandonment and trust issues due to living in a shelter for most of her life.
Neither Stolas nor Blitz were in the wrong during āWestern Energyā. Striker just happened to kidnap Stolas at a very inconvenient time. However, Blitz should have told Stolas that someone was trying to assassinate him.
Striker is a hypocrite for working with royalty while berating Blitz for basically doing the same thing.
Mammon was exploiting Fizzarolli.
Ozzie valuing consent while being the embodiment of lust makes sense.
Blitz is an asshole, but itās not entirely his fault. He was used and abused by his father for the majority of his childhood, and then accidentally started a fire which ended up killing his mother and disfiguring his best friend. Itās not an excuse for how he treats people, itās an explanation.
Barbie is valid for not wanting to talk to Blitz. Sheās asked him to leave her alone several times and he keeps crossing her boundaries instead of waiting for her to come to him.
āUnhappy Campersā is a realistic portrayal of happy couples having a spat.
Millie not being overjoyed about her pregnancy doesnāt mean she cheated on Moxxie. Not every married woman wants to be a mother, and thatās okay.
Helluva Boss focuses on racism, classism, love and different relationships.
Andrealphus is not incestuous towards his sister. He is just a closeted gay man who makes fun of Stella by telling her that being āhotā is the only thing she has going for her.
Stella is already made to be sympathetic by the fan base and the narrative of the show. She does not need to have a tragic backstory in order to exemplify that.
Sometimes women are evil just for the sake of being evil. Stella doesnāt require a laundry list of reasons for why she abuses her husband.
Blitz is technically a sex worker, considering the fact that he sleeps with Stolas in exchange for being able to use the Grimoire.
Nearly every single character in the Hellaverse is morally grey.
I've heard some people complain about her relationship to Charlie, putting Vaggi's loyalty and protectiveness of her girlfriend in any negative light they could think of.
...I fail to see the problem with all of that.
Charlie might not be a perfect person, but she overall has altruistic intentions of helping Sinners. Vaggi's loyalty to Charlie is certainly better than Lute's fanatical devotion to Adam, in spite of the latter being a gigantic asshole with no good intentions.
There is a reason why Vaggi is that way with Charlie as well--the latter found Vaggi and patched her up right after Lute maimed her and she was left behind during an Extermination. It's easy to infer that Vaggi is grateful to Charlie for that moment, which in turn spawned her loyalty.
And even so, Vaggi does have her limits and disagreements with Charlie. Most notably in S2, when Charlie made some very counterproductive efforts to make herself and the hotel look good, Vaggi outright called her out for hurting the hotel. Again, it's much better than how Lute rarely thinks of Adam as in the wrong.
What I'm trying to say is, Vaggi's loyalty to Charlie shouldn't be seen as problematic. Part of is it that Vaggi does know when and where to draw the line, part of it is that she's the most consistent ally to the hotel, but overall, Vaggi's devotion is one of her most positive traits. I wish people would recognize that.
Or, if you would rather, get you a girl like Vaggi. 'Cause obviously you ain't ever had one in your life.
I really hate this pattern Iām starting to notice where whenever a character in Hazbin Hotel is confirmed to be lesbian, people claim that Viv only did it to stop shippers. First I saw Poly Vees shippers say this about Velvette and now people who ship Sera with Sir Pentious are saying it about her. And itās like, no, lesbian characters are allowed to just exist. You are not owed an explanation as to why theyāre lesbian other than the creator felt like it.
And the thing is, Iāve NEVER seen someone make this argument about a gay man. People are perfectly fine with just not shipping gay men with women, but if the characterās a lesbian? Suddenly itās Vivziepop wanting to tear down all the male x female ships that she apparently hates. Also Viv has said in the past that sheās fine with people shipping whatever, so this claim doesnāt hold any weight in the first place.
I also hate when people change Velvette to be bisexual and then say ābisexuals are still queer so itās fine!ā. Like obviously bisexuals are queer but the problem with this is that many people (mostly straight men) have this idea that all lesbians are secretly bi and that itās impossible for a woman to just not like men, and so youāre kind of reinforcing this idea when you pull this shit with Velvette.
One last thing though, itās fine you shipped Poly Vees or Sera x Sir Pentious before Velvette and Sera were confirmed to be lesbian, and want to continue shipping them. But Iād recommend changing the male characters to transfem or nonbinary as to not erase Sera and Velvetteās sexuality.
This is actually such a huge thing for an actor to do. Like we know he is wonderful and correct about this and not afraid to say so but when was the last time an actor this famous called for a boycott of a series this popular on a network THIS BIG.
if you're so obsessed with a fictional character that you harm yourself and/or those around you in the name of that fictional character, you seriously need to rethink your choices. at the very least, you need to get offline. at most, you need to seek mental help, because that is a form of psychosis that is causing you to harm others.
it's okay to love or be obsessed with a fictional character.
it's not okay to harm people because of that fictional character that you love.
harming someone because they do not like a character that you love is not okay. harming someone because they interacted with a character that you love in the "wrong" way is not okay. harming people because they like a character that you love is not okay. harming people over a fictional character is not okay.
harming people in general is not okay, and we don't just mean physically. all forms of harassment, encouraging suicide and self-harm, doxxing, death threats, false and harmful accusations ā all of these things can and do harm people.
if you find yourself harming yourself or others over a fictional character, please seek help.
Not enough people are talking about how Charlie is literally the daughter of the Sin of Pride.
A lot of her flaws manifest in a difficulty taking criticism, adapting to the needs of others if it means forgoing her own ideas, and a willingness to push past people's boundaries if she believes the results will sustain her point. Charlie has problems when it comes to accepting fault and acting on other's feedback, and this is something that is pointed out by multiple characters. Angel confronts her about disrespecting his boundaries in season 2. The crux of her conflict with Vaggi in season 2 also revolves around Charlie's unwillingness to listen to her input. Even Alastor points it out to Vox as part of his manipulations, telling him "She'll never admit to Hell she was wrong. It's what makes her so entertaining to watch."
Charlie is a deeply prideful person, and that's not always a bad thing. She is stubborn, and reckless, and forceful when challenged, and all of these qualities are what have enabled her to push past the criticisms and restraints of public opinion and prove that her belief in redemption is sound. But these qualities have also put explicit strain on her personal relationships, a prioritisation of her goals over the comfort and ability of the people she ostensibly cares for.
Charlie is a deeply flawed person in much the same way Lucifer is, because Lucifer is the Sin of Pride and Charlie will always be her father's daughter. However, unlike Lucifer we have seen her far more explicitly begin to recognise the way her actions effect others, as well as also show a willingness to address those faults and try to work through them (namely via her conversation with Vaggi prior to 'Easy', as well as by giving Vaggi the role of 'manager' in the finale.)
Charlie deserves just as much grace as everyone else in that hotel because she too is trying to redeem herself in a way. She presented herself as a figure of authority on a subject she was genuinely naĆÆve about, allowed her goals to become progressively more self-centered, and damaged the trust of her friends by disrespecting their boundaries; all actions owing themselves to pride. But her arc over Season 2 shows her beginning to work through these faults, and I'm so interested to see where that journey takes her in Season 3.
