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[likelyheart]

actually, there isn't anything to discuss about the argument in the car because the narrative has already told us that j*nathan was completely in the wrong. this scene is positioned directly after nancy's private breakdown in the bathroom and later admission of guilt in front of mike. the show itself is telling us that she's blaming herself. she needs reassurance, A DAMN HUG, anything. her way of coping is throwing herself right back in the action, which of course is necessary at the moment, but she still hasn't processed that trauma. that needs to happen for her to stop internalising everything. j*nathan's behaviour proves that he can't be the one to help her through that. he's given up.

a lot of you still aren't getting that these characters aren't real people, whatever is shown on screen has a PURPOSE. it reminds me again of that popular parallel of everlark and stancy. what nancy needs isn't the raging fire to fight monsters ("stick to the plan") she has plenty of that herself, but the dandelion in the spring ("the hospital is on the way, maybe we could bring nance flowers"). the remembrance of who they started this fight for: love.

[likelyheart]

"steve felt more for nancy than she did him" → "nancy never felt anything for him" so she did feel something then? if you were able to measure it?

"it was always one-sided" → "nancy only fell for his looks and the feeling she got by rebelling" so the feelings were in fact mutual then?

on one hand, they're saying stancy doesn't have tangible moments in season 4 and immediately following it up with those were stupid moments. TO WHOM???

when every sentence contradicts the previous one, you know you don't have a solid argument.

[likelyheart]

rip nancy wheeler, you would have loved you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love by olivia rodrigo.

[avengers-rule103]

“i’m supposed to buy robin and eddie wanting steve and nancy to get back together?” yes, just like us stancies were forced to buy jon and nancy getting together after murray pushed them in season 2. the difference is murray knew them for what? a day and a half? and made way more assumptions about both of their lives than either robin or eddie ever did. eddie admitted to not knowing why steve and nancy broke up, robin could see that nancy was clearly unhappy in her relationship with jonathan and saw her eyeing steve on multiple occasions and the smile on her face when she did so. the difference is that murray pitted jon and nancy’s insecurities against each other, two young impressionable teenagers who he knew how to prod to get to do what he wanted. eddie and robin just wanted to see their friends happy again. 🤷‍♀️ love shouldn’t make you miserable.

[likelyheart]

if you really want to simplify steve vs j*nathan (i hate having to phrase it like that because that man shouldn't even have been an option but y'all get what i mean), for me it boils down to steve simply having the balls to confess his feelings for her BOTH times. he consistently makes sure that she knows where his head is at (even when that truth hurts her) instead of expecting her to read his mind.

his philosophy literally being "i like you, you like me, so what the hell are we waiting for?" in season 1 and that being amplified all the moreso in season 4 because they could literally die any second.

i'm sorry but you can't tell me that that level of "forwardness" isn't exactly what nancy needs because she has to be constantly reassured and regulated.

so j*nathan asking nancy why she's with steve in season 1 supposedly instead of him, well that's just because he was man enough to MOVE unlike your bum ass. same thing happened pre-season 2, they got back together because he made it up to nancy and didn't lounge around waiting for her to come to him unlike j*n. how could it possibly not be attractive for specifically a character like nancy to have someone make her the only centre of attention?

[likelyheart]

@gamma-ghoul @thegayhimbo

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[likelyheart]

if you really want to simplify steve vs j*nathan (i hate having to phrase it like that because that man shouldn't even have been an option but y'all get what i mean), for me it boils down to steve simply having the balls to confess his feelings for her BOTH times. he consistently makes sure that she knows where his head is at (even when that truth hurts her) instead of expecting her to read his mind.

his philosophy literally being "i like you, you like me, so what the hell are we waiting for?" in season 1 and that being amplified all the moreso in season 4 because they could literally die any second.

i'm sorry but you can't tell me that that level of "forwardness" isn't exactly what nancy needs because she has to be constantly reassured and regulated.

so j*nathan asking nancy why she's with steve in season 1 supposedly instead of him, well that's just because he was man enough to MOVE unlike your bum ass. same thing happened pre-season 2, they got back together because he made it up to nancy and didn't lounge around waiting for her to come to him unlike j*n. how could it possibly not be attractive for specifically a character like nancy to have someone make her the only centre of attention?

[snowkatze]

Tadaa my first youtube video! It's a video essay about the last season of Stranger Things. The last episode felt soooo off to me so I went back to analyze the whole love triangle from the beginning.

Please somebody watch it it took me 5 months to make this 🥹

[stancypilled]

she just raises an eyebrow and he’s ready to fetch, bark and sit pretty for a treat

[likelyheart]

how it feels to scroll through pre-finale stancy analysis posts again

[likelyheart]

remember when vecna psychologically and physically tortured nancy and she spent 18 months being haunted by that, leading her to crash out with zero comfort and then she rode off girlbossing into the sunset because the duffers forgot they wrote this.

[likelyheart]

where is my stancy born to die edit

CHOOSE YOUR LAST WORDS, THIS IS THE LAST TIME 💔💔💔

[slashergirlnancy]

no, actually. you could remove stancy from the equation entirely and we would still end up here bc jncy have had relationship problems from the very beginning. these people will write dissertations about the "toxic" relationship between two 14 year olds, but can't recognize the very clear setup for a breakup in the previous season?

[bloop-bloop-boop]

Nancy and J’s breakup included love, I would never argue that it didn’t, but it still shocks me how many people online read it as a regular airing of grievances. Those two confessed that they were never charmed by load-bearing parts of each other’s personality (music, style, writing), and the disconnect and resentment between them grew to such a level that it had them disassociating, trying to cope with vices of their choice, and throwing away each other’s shit. That’s not a little misunderstanding, that’s “pretending everything is okay” for YEARS. It’s telling that in s4, while 2000 miles away for months, they still wanted distance.

Steve, after s2, is done being avoidant. Pretending everything’s okay cost him the only person he ever loved romantically, so he’s now heart-on-sleeve guy. And so s4 Steve’s UD deathwalk confession to Nancy is just…“This person I’ve grown into and the relationships I’ve built I owe to you. Every part of you has always been and will always be loved by me. You are special. For me, it’s always been you.”

[likelyheart]

So Maya can't have an opinion on her character now?

here you people go again 🙄

*I* can have an opinion about her opinion, hope this helps.

[likelyheart]

an unambiguous sign of true love

[obliviouskeiths]

nancy wearing steve's wayfarers

[likelyheart]

hello.....is this thing on?

maya hawke just did an interview where she said that she personally was very happy with the final scene because she wanted to have a see off with the people she spent the most time with and it was cathartic for her. I'm sitting there going......"huh."

you are close friends with cast, see each other frequently outside of the set, but is that true for robin, THE CHARACTER? the one that we signed up to watch, the one that doesn't exist and is separate from you as an actor? robin does not have a relationship with j*nathan, so why are things off screen influencing their first ever direct conversation lol. to add insult to injury, vickie, who robin does in fact have a relationship with, just exits stage and is forgotten. just because you haven't spent the same amount of time with her, it's not important that the only canon queer relationship is never mentioned again?

additionally, everyone knows the duffers picked and chose what relationships and characters deserved closure; notably nancy, robin to an extent, vickie to the worst possible degree, were snubbed. is no one seeing a pattern....