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I am back to taking poetry requests! Please send me ones!!
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Hello!! WolfytheWitch just recently reposted their Troy and Cyclops saga videos with the updated audio. I was wondering if you'd ever consider doing the same? (And also what would it cost me for you to do Remember Them so I could just have a full Mircsy Cyclops saga???)
I’ve been planning to do that for a long time now, I actually have a Youtube post about it, I just never get there.
I eventually want to do a Remember Them animatic AND so many more, I am just in my last year at highschool, I’ll graduate in less than a month and studying for the finals in a messed up education system where half of the teachers are incompatible has been consuming all my motivation to do anything.
But, not going to lie, also the fandom’s attitude toward artists make me consider if I want to continue posting art of this musical…
I would love to see more Epic content from you, but if the rest of the fandom is too much, I look forward to seeing whatever else you choose to animate/draw.
hi guys! just letting you know in response to being notified about an uptick of hate and negativity in the epic fandom (mostly on tiktok) , Ryan Donaldson, the main business strategist of the EPIC team, has issued a statement essentially saying its the creator's fault that they experience so much hate because they drive the algorithm to give them more hate comments by responding to it.
Nowhere in the video does he say that he doesn't condone this sort of behavior, which is weird considering that he was a large contributor in creating and curating the fandom. He repeatedly pushes the idea of 'banning and moving on,' saying that Stories from Styx experiences more hate because Casper responds to hateful comments and implies that he may have hired "abusive collaborators" (whatever that means). Nowhere in this video does he talk about the role of the audience in defining the behavior of a fandom space. Ryan then plugs epic by talking about how positive everyone involved in the project is . Generally a dogshit response
Ryan is @ tiktokdungeonmaster on well. Tiktok
what is this guy yapping about
I want to know what he means when he says the hate is the creator's fault
ryan never said "it's a creator's fault if they experience hate", he said that a creator needs to be mindful of how they engage with hate comments because the algorithm will unwittingly supply them with more hate as a byproduct of that engagement. it's an admittedly impersonal response, but it's sound business advice, as to be expected from someone whose whole online presence and personality is based around business
i never said Ryan said "it's a creator's fault if they experience hate." i said it's essentially the message. I can rephrase: he ESSENTIALLY said that whether or not a creator experiences hate depends on their actions taken to address that hate, while saying nothing about who causes it OR why they're experiencing hate in the first place. If i'm getting this right from him, the weight falls entirely on the creator.
2. from someone who has engaged in the community and took a large part in building it like Ryan, this is absolutely not a satisfactory response. This is not about business, this is about addressing large-scale harassment in a community.
sure, business is a lot of his online presence, but it remains that this is an issue specifically stemming from the treatment of the COMMUNITY. That's why pushing business advice doesn't work here. The concerns raised to Ryan by Casper had nothing to do with the actual content of creators and everything to do with how fans have been reacting to it.
Placing creators as the main focus/cause of hate instead of addressing the shitty behavior of the audience that perpetuates it comes off as dismissive at best. Again, nowhere does Ryan say that he doesn't support this behavior, even though he literally also represents and communicates for EPIC and its logistics on the account I listed. Thanks
Tldr its shitty that Ryan puts the spotlight on the creators rather than the audience and this is definitely not a business matter
Like yeah, what Ryan said about the algorithm is true and useful information With that said, knowing the reason for his message was because of the hate in the community being sent towards artists and Casper having an issue with such hate, the fact Ryan didn't say "hey guys, don't send hate to our wondaful artist friends" was...well not great. It wasn't great. From the view point of "this is just a video to inform you of how the algorithm works" then yeah it's an informative video. Genuinely so. From the view point of "This video is a response to hatred in the Epic Community" then yeah no this missed the mark. And tbh, if this hatred isn't directly spoken on and addressed, I'm gonna be so real, a lot of us are gonna just leave the fandom and community. Like we're already talking about it. And that's another thing, guys we talk. a lot of us artists talk, we group chat, we vc with each other, we play Gartic phone and we show comments that we get from people to each other. we are very connected, a lot of your favorite artists know each other. and fam, we aren't really comfortable with how people are treating are fellow artists, and are incredibly hurt by the fact it's not being addressed. Epic's community has lasted so long not just because of the absolutely sublime music, but also because of the amazing art attached. the Animatics and fanarts and AU arts and ship art and all that. That's how it survives and thrives and lives on. Some of you may have noticed i don't post as much as i used to. Fam that's cause I got incredibly disgusted with the community after how i saw them attack past artists and i decided i didn't wanna be a part of that. Being so hateful to another person is just vile to me. It's a no, it's a chop. I'm only back to a degree cause i love those of you in this lil Buff Polites circle uwu. I must feed you. But do trust that if things continue in this hateful direction, i'mma probably bounce again. I'll likely "block" the entire community from my space and move on, like several other artists are considering. Move over to the Hamilton Fandom or Hadestown, i keep being told i should watch them, and people keep saying i look like the black guy in Hamilton. Anywho, guys, be nice. please be nice. This life is amazing if you great it with open arms. don't be the reason someone has to block you.
This.
We, artists, interact with each other on a daily basis, either in text or call (or both). It genuinely disgusts me to see how disrespectful and immature some people allow themselves to act online, to act with my friends.
I understand when someone doesn’t like a design, ship, art style or interpretation etc. Like, my gosh, I really wish I could erase my memory of the jetpack-windbag from the official “600 Strike” animation, or Odysseus’ red eyes in the song “Odysseus”, those visuals are JORGE’s ideas and NOT the artist’s who he commissioned, or that Jorge decided to add the mention of SA in “Hold Them Down”, while it was not in the original source, or the way he portays Calypso. (Yet people complain when artists don’t stay “canon”) Yes, Jorge took plenty of artistic liberties while writing this musical. And that is completely OK. Do I go around talk shit about him, spread dreadful misinformation about him, label him as a bad person because I don’t specifically like these changes? No. I still appreciate the hard work he put into the songs, the music, the thoughts behind them, and I accept the way he sees the songs, or I come up with sensible and respectful arguments/constructive critisism why I don’t like something. Or simply accept that it’s not my cup of tea and don’t interact with it to get rid of content I dislike.
Not like those who talk hateful about artists who make their own interpretation of the songs, or when they create something original they get told to go back and work on EPIC content. Or like those who are hateful towards Stories from Styx, because they had expected a second EPIC, while Casper emphasized SEVERAL TIMES that it will NOT be like Jorge’s creation. SfS is a completely different genre, which requires different type of voices, different instruments, different techniques of singing, plus it is the first musical our dear friend Casper ever wrote. And did he use the same artists who Jorge used? Yes, BECAUSE we are NOT “EPIC artists” who are Jorge’s property, we are all individuals who can join and leave, and create in any fandom/topic we want. It’s as if these people had said “How dare Robert Downey Jr. play Sherlock Holmes in the movies, he is a Marvel actor”. But I, and many other artists, have talked about this already enough. And guess what? Even though I loved working with Jorge, I enjoyed working with Casper more. Wild? Not really.
Casper showed he cares about the artists he commissioned. He made us a place where we can interact and help each other too, which made work so much less stressful. He cares so much he is even trying to help us dissolve this hate that reaches some of us, artists. Ryan’s advice about the algorythm and “block the hateful people and move on” is good. Correct, that really is how the algorythm works. But it misses the whole point why we reached out in the first place.
He can talk about community management, but it is not the SfS fandom that is full of immature and toxic people, who I question if they have ever been in fandoms. It is the EPIC fandom. And just like any other fandoms, it will have dark sides, people in the fandom WILL USE dark topics to create fan made content. And for many people it is a coping mechanism. (See sharpwolf ship. Those people who write about this toxic relationship, while themselves are victims, it’s like vent art for them. Helps them understand their own emotions. And also, not every Telemachus x Antinous work is connected to EPIC, keep that in mind. Greek mythology exists outside EPIC)
It just seems that a large part of the EPIC fandom loves the musical. But not the artists, writers, other creators who technically made it popular, those who technically carry the musical on their backs to the top with their fan (or even official) work… And those who could change that, those whose words would be listened to (not just heard), they step back and watch.
But that’s okay. Block those who hate and move on. Right?
Now here’s a fact. If the self entitled kids who spread hate don’t get regulated by someone who they most likely would actually listen to (*glances at the creator of EPIC*), artist will take the advice and will move on. Completely. Because of these people we started loosing enthusiasm over creating EPIC content.
I came to the EPIC fandom for the music, and stayed for the animators. Y'all are so wonderful, and I love your work so much, even when it is completely non epic related!
Would you look at THIS bad boy!? *gloats* so thick 🧐
@littlestchildofthemoon this is so you core.
@littlestchildofthemoon tell me more?
What more? I mean, I'm away from home so I can't send you pictures of the books I gloat over having ...
But also, where'd you get that edition? It looks super nice and I don't have that book yet! Spill your read-y thoughts when you read it, if you have any! (I mean, only if you wanna, of course)
The print size is good. It's a high-quality anthology that the algorithm recommended me 4 years ago, and I finally finally bought it for $40, which is cheap cheap cheap.
Maybe we can have a . . .
Finally home! Most of my books are packed up in inconvienent boxes and I don't have bookshelves yet, but ...
Here are a couple new books of mine! I found the Crime and Punishment at a booknook, and a friend got me the Iliad copy. Haven't started reading either, but I'm probably gonna read the Iliad first since I'm writing an epic right now and need the inspiration!
i haven't posted about the book on here. it is infuriating so far. so stupid. academic theory in the worst sense. i'm still glad i got it. it gives me a diving off point for pointing out things that i think are cool about art that other people haven't found the time to say. also, i still love how it looks.
I hope you give an overall view of the Iliad once you feel comfortable doing that. I have a lot of trouble with Greek and Latin stuff, depending on the translation and teaching, but once I find the right person etc it can be food for thought. It took me going over the Aeneid more than once to get something out of it. I find the classics are really good for themes and poetry and metaphysics. I hope that if I ever write an epic, it will be more direct and organized than the ones I've read so far.
The Song of Roland I hate, and the Niebelungenlied is very disgusting, but the Prose Edda and the main Icelandic one, I think -- I liked those. The gore and scandal were so straightforward I found my eyes widening and myself laughing from disbelief etc. Even with the misogyny and misanthropy.
I have tried planning epic poems quite a lot. I really want ones with more women in them. Could you write one like that? I don't know . . just my random thoughts
Crime and Punishment hit too close to home for me so I guess I'm reading stuff that doesn't tear my heart apart.
These are 2 poetry books I'm slowly reading, just bought them. Metaphors to chew on.
I just read these online. great. always interested in women's journeys Katherine Carlyle was the best-quality read I've had in a very long time. Traveling all over Europe and Russia. Lots of meditation on healing, women, and purpose. Britney Spears' memoir also was a very meditative, insightful, helpful, and flowing read.
And these poetry/philosophy collections have good points, as I skim through them
Anyone want to join in? @the-horcrux-hung-itself @caustic-splines @inspirationallybored @ivorysmokecloud @holeinthehedgerow @iamsanovice
Yeah, the epics can be hard to get into or enjoy. Personally, I liked the Aeneid, though it was interesting to me how simply perfect Aeneas was in comparison to most of the Greek heroes in epics; a friend of mine said that was likely because the Roman's wanted THEIR hero to be obviously better than the Greeks, and therefore they made him less flawed. And of course there was Camilla, though honestly she bothered me a little because she died due to her need to flaunt her womanhood, which was ...not my favorite.
The other epic I really like is Beowulf, which is quite good, and fun to read with Tolkien in mind and what inspiration and words he took from such epics and old English texts.
As for writing, I could certainly write an epic with more women, though the current one I'm working on (and will be for awhile since I have so much life happening around it) is more focused on a male character, specifically a god born king, so to speak.
An interesting note on what you said about writing epics in a more organized fashion, is that when I started researching and figuring out how to write in the epic style, I discovered one of the major keys is to ramble, and have big, sprawling speeches and in general, not focus too much on the organization or straightforwardness. Just thought that was interesting.
Would you look at THIS bad boy!? *gloats* so thick 🧐
@littlestchildofthemoon this is so you core.
@littlestchildofthemoon tell me more?
What more? I mean, I'm away from home so I can't send you pictures of the books I gloat over having ...
But also, where'd you get that edition? It looks super nice and I don't have that book yet! Spill your read-y thoughts when you read it, if you have any! (I mean, only if you wanna, of course)
The print size is good. It's a high-quality anthology that the algorithm recommended me 4 years ago, and I finally finally bought it for $40, which is cheap cheap cheap.
Maybe we can have a . . .
Finally home! Most of my books are packed up in inconvienent boxes and I don't have bookshelves yet, but ...
Here are a couple new books of mine! I found the Crime and Punishment at a booknook, and a friend got me the Iliad copy. Haven't started reading either, but I'm probably gonna read the Iliad first since I'm writing an epic right now and need the inspiration!
oughh them™
what is your pfp of?
Right now it's a picrew of how the child of the moon looks, though I've been meaning to change it at some point to something else, I'm not sure what yet.
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Odysseus being a Liar and a Menace
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HAPPY FATHERS DAY❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️
It’s insane to me that Hermes never actually says “darling” in the entirety of EPIC
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