"First of all, from the tags, I'm understanding that this is the ridiculous "being pansexual is contributing to bi erasure" argument AGAIN."
if you looked at ALL the tags, I also said that this could apply to anything. this includes other microlabels outside of pan, and this ALSO includes hesbians, transmen lesbians, nonbinary gays/lesbians, etc. I wasnt just attacking ONE argument.
"literally half of the LGBT community says [pansexuality] is harmful".
oh my god you didn't even quote me properly??? not only was this not what i said, but you ALSO are only nitpicking this because you want to focus on one topic in my tags, not all of them. this was aimed at so many harmful identities. not just the bivspan debate.
the reason why you can't find any "sources" on the AMMOUNT of people who are angry at this is because no one is counting. but if you idk, got a life, then you would know that a ton of people are still discussing this. its on this website, twitter, instagram, even facebook. im in an lgbt club and sometimes we have debates! and thats something we debate about!
Secondly, why are we considering the opinions of people who are not bisexual (gay, lesbian, asexual etc) about pansexuality being harmful for BI PEOPLE?
there's this very popular label going around called Battle Axe Bi. which means a whole section of the community agrees that mspec labels like omni, pan, etc. are harmful and contribute to erasure. pan people cant even stay out of Bi spaces! literally every bi positivity post you see you see "pan rights too! dont forget pannies!" and even omni folks do this. they're trying to say they're separate from bi but then continue to invade bi spaces and take over.
also, so many pan people change the fucking label. they change the definition of what it means on a continuous basis based off of the argument they're in. its very rare to see two pan people use the same definition in the same room together. some people use the original definition which was transphobic and biphobic. pannies still use the "hearts not parts" slogan and its horrible.
Not like my opinion matters but, me, a bisexual guy, have absolutely no problems with people calling themselves pansexual. My girlfriend is pansexual and I don't go telling her that her being pansexual is harmful to me.
great! i dont care. you can exist however you want, i dont control that. i respect all pan people i know but i will still educate others on why that is harmful, just like you're coming in here trying to spew random bs trying to convince me im wrong.
Even then, I haven't met a single bisexual person (other than this dude maybe?) who has said that pansexuality is biphobic. Nowhere.
great! I'll send you ss's, i have thousands. obviously you havent looked around many places, never get your information from one website.
I feel it's also relevant to mention that a non-negligible percentage of lesbians will rather publicly call themselves gay due to the negative connotations surrounding the word "lesbian". But I don't see anyone complaining that that's "lesbian erasure" or whatnot.
actually, a lot of people are saying its gay men erasure because gay men have no other words, nothing. Lesbians taking and claiming that word is wrong. it's not lesbian erasure, its gay erasure. because now if someone were to come up to me and say "oh im gay" i literally wouldn't know if they were actually gay or identified as lesbian, ace, aro, bi, etc. because everyone stole that fucking label.
Furthermore, both pansexual and bisexual as labels for sexual orientation entered existence around the same time, that is, around 1914
oh oh HOO boy, you literally havent done your research properly.
the term bisexuality was first used allll the way back in the late 1700's, but it was more of an intersex label than a sexuality. in 1892, neurologist Charles Gilbert Chaddock used it to describe actual sexuality. you wanna know who made the word Pansexualism? Sigmund Freud. we dont like him in the psychology field. sure, he had a lot of good points but he fucking sucks
his idea was that pansexualism (or pansexuality) was having "no sexual boundaries" and hinted at beastiality, zoophilia, and pedophilia since you were attracted to others no matter what they were or the species. so if you're REALLY gonna get into the history of it its origins are horrible. it supported horrible ideas and shouldn't be considered an actual sexuality. it was considered a mental illness at first because of how fucking disgusting it was. the bad stuff wasnt removed from the label until around 1970's when people started to reclaim it but didnt want to be considered a pedophile or zoophile.
your little spiel obviously shows you have no ide what you're actually talking about. not only did you take what i was saying and put it out of text, you also incorrectly quoted me, havent even done PROPER research, and made the claim "there's more pressing matters" like??? ALL matters should be addressed. all of them. saying one doesnt matter even tho it's an issue is basically supporting the idea we can pick and choose what is and isnt important, which helps contribute to ableism and the suppression of other communities and ethnicities.
so yeah, im gonna stand by what i said and say get your head out of your ass.
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