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Why shouldn't CRWBY bring Penny back? Her death was so unsatisfied and ruin everything that was build for her.

While I'd love for penny to be back she died human not a robot

And even if they do bullshit some way to bring her back (like idk pulling a watts maybe) it would be extremely cheap since she already died twice

It also just kind of invalidates a lot of the volume 9 conflict and her sacrifice since her death caused a lot of the conflict there

Overall as much as i wish we still had penny with us the ship has sailed on that short of very cheap writing

But hey you never know with how many chibi clips the social media use maybe we'll see her in chibi again

first off: what conflict Penny death bring to V9? None of the conflict that was there had anything to so with Penny, and even if, her coming back would not invalidates the conflict because it already happened, it not like bringing her back will make Jaune forget that he killed her or make Ruby forget she find out that Penny died again

Second: Bringing Penny back again won't be cheap when it work well with her character, she didn't value her life and she need to know that her life have values, what better way to do so then having her seeing how her freinds sacrefice to bring her back

Also she didn't turn into human, when the robot body looked at her it saw only aura

Maybe it won't invalidate it for the characters but it definitely would for the audience penny died came back died again came back so what was the point of all the drama around her death if this is immediately undone next volume?

I mean it would be cheap because there is no good excuse for it anymore the first time was fine she's a machine and machines can be rebuilt

Now she died human in a human body (it's human enough to be a corpse) there is no rebuilding that her corpse is lost between dimensions no robot body from which a memory card could possibly be retrieved

short of pure plot bs she has no way to come back

Even if Penny turn into a human, there were clear indecation that somthing was wrong in there.

She died as a maiden, we saw her passing her aura - her soul into Winter, when a maiden transfer her power it in her aura color, but when Penny passed it to Winter it was gold meaning somthing happened there that we didn't see, she tell Jaune that there is somthing he can do amd tell Winter thar she won't be gone, she'll be part of her, amd yes it sound metaforicly but RWBY is defently the show that make somthing that sound metaforical into litteral.

There is also the sword in the Ever After (which we know the heroes will retunre to thanks to Somewhat episode in RWBY V9 beyond), it should not exist because it was gone when Cinder stab her and it made our of her aura

The human body show that you don't need a core to hold penny consciousness

Whatever dude

I just don't think it's going to happen might as well resurect Pyrrha at that point

Ok if you don't think she'll coming back it's ok, I disaggre but I don't want to start arguing

Honestly I dissagree about her returne invalide the drama about her death that lets be honest wasn't that big in V9 sure some fans might feel like it but I saw alot of fans that think different and as I said again her returne will not erease what happened with her death so the drama is still imoprtent

Why shouldn't CRWBY bring Penny back? Her death was so unsatisfied and ruin everything that was build for her.

While I'd love for penny to be back she died human not a robot

And even if they do bullshit some way to bring her back (like idk pulling a watts maybe) it would be extremely cheap since she already died twice

It also just kind of invalidates a lot of the volume 9 conflict and her sacrifice since her death caused a lot of the conflict there

Overall as much as i wish we still had penny with us the ship has sailed on that short of very cheap writing

But hey you never know with how many chibi clips the social media use maybe we'll see her in chibi again

first off: what conflict Penny death bring to V9? None of the conflict that was there had anything to so with Penny, and even if, her coming back would not invalidates the conflict because it already happened, it not like bringing her back will make Jaune forget that he killed her or make Ruby forget she find out that Penny died again

Second: Bringing Penny back again won't be cheap when it work well with her character, she didn't value her life and she need to know that her life have values, what better way to do so then having her seeing how her freinds sacrefice to bring her back

Also she didn't turn into human, when the robot body looked at her it saw only aura

Maybe it won't invalidate it for the characters but it definitely would for the audience penny died came back died again came back so what was the point of all the drama around her death if this is immediately undone next volume?

I mean it would be cheap because there is no good excuse for it anymore the first time was fine she's a machine and machines can be rebuilt

Now she died human in a human body (it's human enough to be a corpse) there is no rebuilding that her corpse is lost between dimensions no robot body from which a memory card could possibly be retrieved

short of pure plot bs she has no way to come back

#rwby #ruby rose #penny polendina #nuts and dolts

Even if Penny turn into a human, there were clear indecation that somthing was wrong in there.

She died as a maiden, we saw her passing her aura - her soul into Winter, when a maiden transfer her power it in her aura color, but when Penny passed it to Winter it was gold meaning somthing happened there that we didn't see, she tell Jaune that there is somthing he can do amd tell Winter thar she won't be gone, she'll be part of her, amd yes it sound metaforicly but RWBY is defently the show that make somthing that sound metaforical into litteral.

There is also the sword in the Ever After (which we know the heroes will retunre to thanks to Somewhat episode in RWBY V9 beyond), it should not exist because it was gone when Cinder stab her and it made our of her aura

The human body show that you don't need a core to hold penny consciousness

givemeallyourpenny

can you show me please?

Hey I answered this already tumblr wtf are you doing

They are each other’s sunshine, the light of their lives

Spoilers

kaiyeti

I watch the scene with Penny and Winter again and saw that she didn't disapeare, she glow and the glow took over the screen obscuring the view for both Winter and Penny, and the Glow came right from Penny herself

So what happened? Well that's we find out in V10, but I think it obvius: she merged with Winter (as in her soul goes into Winter)

How? By Ambrosius, Ruby did say she want Penny to be around longer and ambrosius follow the word specificly

Ruby might unkowingly cause Penny to stay longer then what we saw

The whole scene with Ambrosius is suspisios and there is defently somthing that happened there that we will see in the next volume

The glow and aura is the same gold color thst were use when Ambrosius used Penny robot parts to create a new body

I can understand why you don't think that Penny is comming back and I'm 100% sure that it was the intention from the writers, tonmake us belive she won't come back so we be suprise when she will

Because you yourself show that if she had died a robot, no one would truly belive she's gone for good, but the human body show us the most importent part about Penny existences: she doesn't need the core in order to live

The writers have showed us how Penny can come back and that it have a price: Pietro life

They wouldn't show it for no reason.

Because I had a long day at work and tired of repeating myself I'll ask two questions. and keep in mind I want Penny to come back and believed it was the last one you mentioned, costing Pietro's life if they do when she was a robot.

With how the main plot of the story is going, Is bringing back Penny necessary or be relevant to the story? Because if the writers are sticking with the original plan they have said they are doing RWBY ends in volume 12 and even if it goes one longer than that, why bother bring Penny

the next question and this is mainly aimed at the Penny is not in Winter argument I keep saying, and she did disappear I had to watch the scene so many times it carved into my brain now. If Penny was in Winter where is Autumn, the former spring maiden, and Fyra? By your logic All of them show be able to come back or have made an appearance by now. Hell you can make the argument Pyrrha can come back because of the few seconds she was in the aura transfer machine, saying she got a tiny part of the fall maiden power and Autumn's aura in her so She should be in Cinder or at the very least Cinder should be being annoyed by Autumn talking to her. Raven should be talking to her former student or seeing visions of her. Fyra should have been in volume 8 but she wasn't. Penny should have been in the unfinished episode with WInter but she isn't

Look we all want Penny to come back buy we have entered the end game so there is no time narrative wise that would make sense. Maybe last episode of sequel series but not with how the story is going. After all, like so many argue with why team rwby won't be the new maidens by the end, that's not how this show works.

she didn't disapeare, Winter hild her hamds the entire scene, she glowes but we never saw her gone, look at the scene again

And I already explain why Penny situation is difference here

Penny returne will make sence because it will works for her, she need to know her life is valueble and what better way to show it by having the heroes make a big sacrefice to bring her back

There was no reason to bring Penny back in V7 yet she was returne, I don't see the difference here

aspiringwarriorlibrarian

I don't think that if Penny would be back it would be when they meet the Gods in the end of the series

Honestly I think that if she'll coming back it will be next volume

She have her sould in Winter now and they just need to extract it from the Aura Transfer Machine

Or

The sword is made of aura and it still in the Ever After and we saw that the heroes will returne to it (what other reason they have to come back for the Ever After?)

Yeah, but the only ATM they have is in Beacon and it's taken over by Salem. So that's not gonna be a factor until then

Well what if they will use Ambrosius to create one? And who knows, if there was an ATM in Beacon and Atlas, they might be a ATM in every reigion, the one in Haven wasn't importent to the story

aspiringwarriorlibrarian

Right now they don't have Ambrosius. The ATM was Atlesian technology that Ironwood built when he was in Beacon for the specific purpose of Amber's case and then later in his own kingdom for Fria, it's not something that every Academy would have.

OK never said it would be that easy, besides Penny or not the heroes needs to get the relics back from Salem

Also Pietro already used the ATM in the past to create Penny so he knowes how it work abd how to builed it

aspiringwarriorlibrarian

I don't think that if Penny would be back it would be when they meet the Gods in the end of the series

Honestly I think that if she'll coming back it will be next volume

She have her sould in Winter now and they just need to extract it from the Aura Transfer Machine

Or

The sword is made of aura and it still in the Ever After and we saw that the heroes will returne to it (what other reason they have to come back for the Ever After?)

Yeah, but the only ATM they have is in Beacon and it's taken over by Salem. So that's not gonna be a factor until then

Well what if they will use Ambrosius to create one? And who knows, if there was an ATM in Beacon and Atlas, they might be a ATM in every reigion, the one in Haven wasn't importent to the story

Hey so...

What do you think of the theory that Penny's mind split from the Maiden Powers and wound up dormant inside Ruby?

The basis for the theory is that the voice desperately calling Ruby's name when she wakes up on the beach in Volume 9 is Penny's... When Penny in Volume 8 only whispered Ruby's name mournfully when she saw her vanish.

We still don't fully know what the 2.0 body's final scan of her really meant, and given that the Maiden Powers are implicitly tied to Ozpin...

I just think it would be interesting if bringing Penny back required Pietro building the body, Winter providing the animating power (as the Maiden Powers were entwined with Penny's soul), and the girl who saw Penny's soul through the nuts and bolts carrying all the things that make Penny, Penny!

I don't know about Penny's mind being in Ruby... like, I think we would've seen her speak up during Ruby's breakdown, especially when Neo!Penny was rubbing in how badly Ruby had failed her.

But I'm very open to the possibility that Ruby sacrifices some of her aura to recreate Penny in her recovered 2.0 body. It'd line up well with her moving away from her hero complex; it'd weaken her as a warrior, make her less effective at saving the world, and be doing something for herself.

Which could set up something for Penny being able to bring Ruby back if she dies fighting Salem.

swapauanon

Okay, so here's the thing: Are we certain Penny's mind would be COGNIZANT after being separated from her soul?

I'm thinking it would be less "Penny is a conscious passenger in the back of Ruby's head" and more "Penny's conceptual being was torn between Ruby and Winter". So like, Penny's Aura goes to Winter... But it was the wrong color NOT because of Jaune's Semblance, but because all of the bits that make her Penny were going somewhere else. After all, if Penny allowed her thoughts to drift AFTER she had already died and was in the middle of passing the powers on to Winter...

Well, what would she have left to pass to whoever she thought about AFTER her death?

I remember seeing a post about that the aura when Penny pass it to Winter was yellow because yellow is half of green

Granted it make more sense that the yellow aura was because of Ambrosius or Jaune, especially when there are green dots flying around, maybe they fly toward Ruby?

Prehaps Penny wasn't able to talk to Ruby because she needs both her parts to be "exsict"? She might be able to talk to Ruby in the begining because Winter was in the Central Location which is above the Ever After and couldn't when Winter got back to remnent.

Granted, that situation means that Penny might have been conscious druing Ruby journy in the Ever After, which could mean that she might saw the tea party scene and couldn't help (thinking of that just make me shivers), but thag would be too much evil for the writers to do unlesa it will teach Penny somthing about how Ruby value her life and how she shouldn't just trow it away (thats was the biggest problem with Penny in V8), but still very evil

Or she is not conscious and will be when Ruby will be in near death situation and Jaune will boost her aura, unknowingly boosting Penny aura as well

anthurak

Hey, so we all understand that ANY serious RWBY theory that has Jaune getting some kind of cool powerup or weapon or a badass fight scene or killing one of the big bads like Cinder or Salem or literally any other fantasy-hero/power-fantasy staple is effectively dead on arrival, right?

Because it runs counter to one of the fundamental qualities of Jaune’s character: that he is a massive SUBVERSION of the whole ‘fantasy hero protagonist’ archetype. That a CORE aspect of Jaune’s character arc across the show has been all about abandoning any desire to be some idealized ‘Fantasy Hero’ who’s super special and always saving the day and defeating evil, and instead growing in an ‘Every-Man Hero’. Someone who isn’t all that special or strong but is nonetheless committed to helping those in need.

I mean just compare Jaune in Atlas during Volume 7/8 to Jaune in the Ever After during Volume 9: During their time in Atlas, we see Jaune not trying to be ‘The Hero’, instead he’s part of a group, following someone else’s lead and focusing on helping and supporting his friends and anyone else he can. While his friends are off slaying monsters and fighting the bad guys, Jaune is escorting kids to school or evacuating civilians or just carrying a friend or three. And it’s clear that in this role, Jaune flourishes. Emotionally and psychologically, Jaune is the best he’s been in the entire show! To the point where even in the depths of Salem’s ominous Grimm Whale of Doom, Ren’s empathic senses see Jaune as a pure, bright spot of positivity.

Then Volume 9 let Jaune try to be a cool, badass legendary hero in the form of The Rusted Knight. A single, solitary hero at the center of everything who fights monsters and helps everyone.

And it utterly DESTROYED HIM.

At this point I think the show has made it pretty clear where Jaune’s character is going, and just as clear where it ISN’T going.

If anything, rather than Jaune getting some kind of powerup, I think it’s far more likely we’ll see the opposite.

You know the theories that Jaune will wind up being integral to any plans to revive Penny? That Pietro will reveal/confirm that he doesn’t have enough aura to reactivate Penny, or is prepared to sacrifice his life in order to bring is daughter back one more time; only for Jaune to step in and volunteer his aura as the catalyst to bring Penny back.

Well consider how (re)activating Penny permanently stunted Pietro’s aura. I think it’s pretty easy to imagine much the same happening to Jaune.

Specifically, what if reviving Penny costs Jaune his uniquely strong and quick-regenerating aura reserves? As in, the very things that have helped him to be a capable fighter? To the point where Jaune’s aura might now be not much stronger than that of a normal, untrained civilian.

Basically, what if Jaune doesn’t sacrifice his life to bring Penny back as Pietro might have done, but rather sacrifices his strength and even ability to be a HUNTSMAN?

Honestly, I think this would be the perfect conclusion to Jaune’s character arc; the idea that things like martial strength and the ability to slay monsters and fight bad guys are actually so unnecessary and even counter to who he really is as a person that Jaune can just give up those things without issue whatsoever (remember that he would STILL have his semblance that allows him to empower others).

Perhaps even to the point of admitting that he never really needed to BE a huntsman in the first place.

This is the absolute best idea about Jaune's future I've ever seen. It brings him full circle, from cheating his way into hero school to knowingly and willingly giving up what little power he's gained to bring back one of their strongest, most beloved fighters. Genius.

Please no. Look I'll be honest in my biases. I'm not that into Penny (sorry butts), but let her stay dead. This is not DBZ, and death needs to be permanent, and have meaning.

Her getting the 1 free rez was enough, but unless they draw her soul out of Winter somehow separating her from the maiden magic then any android they bring to life isn't Penny, but a look alike at best.

Penny being around also sidelined Weiss's arc in her own home (Weiss hasn't had any real development since 7 and had no arc at all in 9 and backslid horribly), and Penny's arc is now done.

There's no need to really bring Penny back beyond Nuts, and Dolts. Honestly not into the ship without Weiss making it FS. It's cute as a sister thing, but Penny was like one (born Tuesday fell in love Wednesday), and realistically Ruby has known her for a month or so in canon? I don't really get it.

She was just pushed to make us try and feel attached to her so her death would have more meaning, but it just irritated me because she was mostly just eating up screen time Weiss didn't get when they should have been put together.

When Neo was trying to unalive Ruby she had the perfect chance to have Penny say she loved Ruby. She didn't. Neo has no reason to hold back, and is twisting the knife, and pulling everything out to do so. If she thought there was the slightest inkling of more she'd have had Penny say she loved her flat out just to make it more painful. She didn't. It wasn't there. Penny's goodbye song is goodbye friend. I'm sure people loved the VA saying she loved Ruby but that's as canon as my hopes for DWR if we're being honest.

I didn't hate it all of course, Nora, and Penny having a bonding moment was good. I liked that, but overall not interested in more Penny unless it's going into the actual ramifications behind things...and FS it.

I realized how this sounds so let me reiterate, and apologize because it's 3 in the morning and my iq is room temperature. I adore FrosenSteel, it's a top tier ot3. I dislike the idea of just resurrecting Penny like it's dbz and ignoring the horror it would put them all through. In au's it's cute as heck, and in stories that last beyond the war so Penny has more time to come to terms with things, or when she meets WR earlier it's a great ship.

let Penny stay dead AKA let turn her into nothing but an object for Jaune character

"There's no need to really bring Penny back beyond Nuts, and Dolts." Yes there is: Penny needs to see that her life have value, which she would realise when Pietro will sacrefice his life for her, her arc is not done!

Penny can still cone back, her aura is with Winter, all is needed is to Pietro to give his alst aura and bring her back one last time

Neo litteraly said that Ruby means the world for Penny, how is that not a love confesion?

And the we saw in the show that Penny is the perfect canident for Ruby love interest, they share the same problem and can talk with each others on it

"She was just pushed to make us try and feel attached to her so her death would have more meaning" again you are saying that Penny is nothing more then an object for Jaune character

And how she shoved Wiess into the background? She met her mother, aresst her father, and understand thatbher brother is not bad person

I think NND were planned from the begining, like I can see Ruby only realise that she loves Penny only after her second death and she think she would never be able to confess that to her, and then when they bring her back by extracting her from Winter ir by getting the sword back from the Ever After she would be way over protective of her, not letting Penny get out on dangerous missions with Penny feeling sad over it and then having Winter confort Ruby about it ask her why she doesn't want Penny to go with them on the missions, and then Ruby will said "because I love her, and I don't won't to lose her again"

Eh, I don't think it was planned. Look at Bumbleby; CRWBY has demonstrated plenty of ability to seed and slow-burn a romance, and if they had plans like that for either Nuts and Dolts OR WhiteRose, I think we'd have seen a lot more buildup. If they were going to do NNDs, there at least should've been some kind of encounter at the dance, and a bigger Ruby reaction to Penny's first death. And while Ruby grieved her a lot the second time, I can't imagine they would've off-screened Ruby finding out how Penny died if NNDs was in the cards.

Overall I'd say it was a missed opportunity to be sure, it would have fit well.

swapauanon

At the same time, please consider how Ruby reacted to learning Penny died at all, the way Neo's fake Penny talks about it while twisting the knife, as well as the fact that VTuber!Ruby straight up calls Penny her girlfriend.

(Plus, during the Beacon Dance CRWBY was under the mindset they had to "earn" their queer rep, so odds are they would probably have included more NND build-up NOW than they would've back then.)

It's also worth noting that CRWBY is trying to avoid the "bury your gays" trope, and that likely factored into their decision on how to keep NND on a purely IMPLIED level. Odds are, if/when Penny comes back, they'll be a lot more explicit about it.

Also, Penny's first death was the first and (until Volume 9) ONLY time we'd seen Ruby cry on screen (and the next time we see Ruby cry was also related to Penny's death). She couldn't have done her big "Silver Eyes" blast the way she did with Pyrrha because there were no Grimm present yet.

Ruby's "pretend everything is okay" method of handling grief also means she doesn't talk about things that are personally painful to her. And while she's willing to talk about Pyrrha, she AVOIDS talking about Penny and immediately shuts up the second she accidentally alludes to her in Volume 5.

In the end, learning that Salem had won wasn't what broke Ruby in Volume 9, it was learning she'd lost Penny (possibly forever) that kickstarted Ruby's downward spiral.

Granted, it's worth noting that, as we only have out of universe statements to confirm that Ruby had already found out Jaune's role in Penny's death offscreen prior to Team RWBY reuniting with him, it is incredibly easy to ignore those statements and instead conclude that she found out when Jaune started blaming Ruby for his own actions in "Perils of Paper Houses". Which is what I choose to do, because that makes for a better story than Ruby piecing it together off screen.

Granted, it is also possible that they didn't realize they had struck gold until AFTER Volume 3, given that Post Volume 3 materials are when they REALLY started pushing it. It wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. Take a look a Korrasami. As much as people love that pairing, back when Korra was only ever intended to be a miniseries, Asami was originally planned to be a generic hate sink lackey to her father, until the writers realized having her be one of the main heroes made for a more compelling story. And from there, after they realized Mako and Korra just didn't work as a couple, they were able to realize how much chemistry former rivals Asami and Korra had with each other.

Additionally, Ruby and Penny AREN'T Blake and Yang. So of COURSE the development of their relationship wouldn't be a 1-to-1 match with Bumbleby! Planned from the start or not!

Point being, I think it's worth noting there's a reason materials produced by the cast and crew focus more on the bond between Ruby and Penny (with the fact that Ruby is far closer to Penny than she is to people she's known for longer), while materials made by non-CRWBY writers put more emphasis on the bond between Ruby and Weiss. One is by the people who know the characters best, while the other is by people who have something to prove to the FNDM.

You do have some good points there. Obviously chibi isn't canon, but the fireflies scene is *very* overt. So I wouldn't rule the Nuts out! Even if it's posthumous, like Ruby is watching Blake and Yang and realizes she felt that way about Penny. Or if Penny comes back (which think is inevitable if Pietro survived, that's the entire point of his character), you could have a nice arc with Penny feeling like her brief stint being human was her chance to be with Ruby, but now Ruby couldn't possibly love a machine... and of course Ruby would love her anyways.

I'd really love to see NND happen, it's eclipsed WhiteRose as my top Ruby ship. I'm just skeptical there's going to be another main cast romance. I'm expecting Ren and Nora to figure things out, and I'd love to see Crosshares happen. I just hope we don't get Rosegarden,or an epilogue White Knight 🤢

ive always felt NND in canon leans too into sisterly. Penny hasn't been alive all that long and just lets Ruby pick or defers to her in most ways. Ruby needs a partner that can support her and stand up to her which imo penny really can't.

Her goodbye song is called friend and neo was trying to get her to take the final leap and off herself. She is twisting every knife she has so if she thought there was an inkling of something more between them then much like when she was fighting Ren she'd have used that to have the penny clone just flat out say she loved her.

Vol 6 was so absurdly WR coded I can't get over it still. Ruby's semblance only changed colors with weiss and only to pink petals which we've only seen with Ren and love vision.

Also think as much as it sucks Penny needs to stay dead. We can't start treating death like dbz and she already got her one freebie. I wasn't a fan of her dying so quickly after becoming human but what's done is done and even if pietro does use his aura and cobbles together the tech to make penny again her soul is in winter it would just be a crude imitation at best.

NND is a ship that I couldn't see happening until after the war when penny had time to come into her own and learn who she was the same lesson nora days she needs to learn ( and why her falling inv9 to learn who she is without Ren would have been better than Jaune) imo.

i don't think it's a bad ship but I don't see it fitting into canon.

Well it's your opinion but when does Ruby sembkence change colirs in V6? Cause if it was because when she use it with Wiess it was because she use it with her, it also change colors when she used it with Nora

Also the show did show us that Penny returne have a limit: Pietro, if/when he will give his last aura to Penny he would die, taking away the one thing that give Penny life everytime

"Ruby needs a partner that can support her and stand up to her which imo penny really can't"

Well look into the situation: who had identity crisis? Who was the conflict with Ironwood related too? Penny couldn't supported Ruby with the same problem she have as well

Just like how V6 seems to be WR coded V5 can be seesm to be RG coded or V8 can be seems NND coded

A lot of official RWBY matirials seems to point at NND as Ruby ideal ship, especially the "Fireflies" scene in RWBY Chibi

4 minutes 15 seconds. This is a compilation of Ruby's semblance use in the show. The only time she carried Nora, or even her team and Penny it stayed red. In that moment with Just Weiss it turned pink.

When in brunswick and told to think of something beautiful the camera pans to Weiss. When they're in the void Weiss calls for Ruby.

Rwby is big into symbolism.

Truckloads of spinoffs save for the firefly scene in chibi are all absurdly WR coded. IQD was basically WR the anime.

Their weapons are put together in the opening credits like bees are,

Weiss is constantly put and show in the official art as being between Ruby's blade, the safest part of the weapon, implying that Ruby will always keep her safe, and take care of her.

The volumes are full of these little moments but because they don't do a big production of it like Bees it's just 'friends'. Like I have rewatched, and tried to rewatch the NND stuff, and it just doesn't strike me as romantic in the show.

It's that born tuesday, fell in love wednesday thing.

Penny has a soul, by saying Pietro can just give his to make her again you're implying that she's the one thing we know she's not, a replacable robot. The only reason it worked last time is because they had her core, and her soul. This time her soul is in winter, and she's a human. If you just make another android with aura then it can look like it all you want but she's not Penny.

Penny hasn't really helped Ruby with anything. She has problems, and brings them to Ruby because she trusts her to handle it. it's far more of a sibling dynamic where Ruby gets to be the older one teaching Penny how to handle things.

The only thing that points to NND is the firefly or more broadly chibi. Almost nothing else does. Penny needs to work on herself, who she is, and what she wants before she hops into a relationship, and like I said Ruby needs someone to support her, but also who can and will put their foot down to keep her on the path to being the huntresss, and leader she should be.

In the show the only person who can do that for her is Weiss...and glorious young Maria! Worked it in there.

Weiss flower is the lily, a yuri flower, and if you read what it means in relation to the rose, and see the fact that it's breaking ranks (it's RWBY and not WRBY after all) then you'll see a lot of great symbolism for it.

Penny needed to be a big focus in V8 just so her death could hurt more. If she had lived I bet she'd had a much less reduced presence in that volume.

It's a fine ship if set years after the war ends, or an au or something? In canon though? No there's no basis in that realistically. Which is fine. You're talking to someone that ships a young version of Maria with Ruby. I just don't think it's a real thing that's gonna happen.

But now that I have you here let me tell you about how DWR can still win! You see...

The pedal was Pink because it combined Ruby red with Wiess white, Red + White: Pink you can also seeing the color when Ruby used her semblence in The train station without Wiess

Wiess is constently seen with Ruby because the show itself called RWBY, they are teamates and their name are always roght next to eaxh other hence why they always shown together on official art it has nothing to do with them being a "couple"

And how did balke help yang with her mother issuse oh wait she didn't, in fact she did the same thing yang morher did: run away

And Wiess herself couldn't help Ruby just like what you said with Penny, there wasn't a single scene when Weiss was able to help Ruby with her problems

NND have is more more coded in the MAIN show then WR, the talk in V2, Penny plan to stay with Ruby, Ruby reaction to both Penny death, the fact that Penny and Ruby parawells Ozma and Salem perfectly, Neo illusion tells Ruby that Penny belive that Ruby meant the world for her, and Ruby reaction to that, and "Protectors of others we will be" in freinds, while WR get supportes in non canon stuff that is not made by the main writers

The wings are not symbolisem, there were not a single symbolysem in Bumblebee you just took two compltly differente secens from two volume that are far stretch from each others and call it the same when in one it was just the grimm falling down and the other it was just Wiess using her semblence

The flowers are just meant to represent RWBY, they choose yuri flower because it fits Wiess color: white

And if Penny was the main focus just to make her death hurt more, it means that she wasn't importent and was just used for Jaune man pain, what the fuck are you talking about?!

Penny was able to live even without her core, we saw it in creation when she got a new body, all that is need to bring Penny back is her aura which Winter have it

"When in brunswick and told to think of something beautiful the camera pans to Weiss. When they're in the void Weiss calls for Ruby. "

First how the first one has anything to do with WR and second of course she would look for Ruby, she is her partner

Penny and Ruby both had the same problem: they belive that others life are importent then theirs having them being together and comforting this problem together is perfect for them

The show clearly showed us that NND are the perfect ship for Ruby and the one that will be in the end

Are you actually ok? I don't mean this in a mean, but are you actually alright?

I'm asking because you're kinda just ignoring everything being said like you're talking past the points. If you don't wanna engage that's fine, but maybe you need a break. NND is a fine ship in au's or non canon stuff, but there's no need to get so heated over online opinions.