THE A DOES NOT STAND FOR ALLY. YOU CANNOT CAST OUT ASEXUALS BECAUSEÂ âTHEYâRE STRAIGHTâ AND THEN ALLOW STRAIGHTS IN BY CALLING THEM ALLYS. CANâT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. BRUH.
no one arguing itâs supposed to be straight people. The âA is for Allyâ argument is based on the idea that it exists so closeted lgbt people could participate in the community without outing themselves. I donât really care either way and I think lgbt+ covers it, but most people who want A to mean Ally arenât actually arguing for straight people to be let in.
No matter how often I read posts explaining this, I donât understand it. Could you pls explain it to me?
Like, to me, thereâs two scenarios:
Scenario one: straight people know ally stands for closteted people. This scenario doesnât make sense because it would automatically out them. So this canât be it.
Scenario Two: straight people donât know. In this scenario youâll have to let straight people in the community because theyâre allies. Otherwise youâd have to tell them which would out closteted people.
So either youâre lying when you say that âa stands for allyâ doesnât let in straight people or you want to out closeted people to them
And why canât closeted/questioning people just be included under the appropriate letter?
When thereâs an event that includes âA for Allyâ, the assumption is that not everyone at the event is necessarily LGBTQ. That way someone can get away with being parsed as âstraightâ because itâs not assumed that everyone there is cishet. There will also be allies that are genuinely cishet in attendance.
Itâs not that âallyâ always means âcloseted personâ, itâs that âallyâ can be a catch-all for basically âeveryone else as long as theyâre cool with LGBTQ folksâ.
So asexuals just get left out? I understand not wanting/being able to be out, but to use the A for âalliesâ (whether an actual ally or closeted/confused/whatever that personâs situation is) while we asexuals donât get any recognition is pretty shitty.
I understand making allies feel included, I understand giving the cover to people that may want/need it.
BUT to leave out an entire group of people fucking sucks.
For the longest time while the lgbtqa+ was growing, I spent YEARS trying to figure out why saying I was bisexual (later pansexual) just never seemed to fit. If it werenât for this website, I STILL wouldnât know that Iâm demisexual.
Normally I donât get involved in things like this in case Iâm misinformed, but Iâm really emotional about this and I think itâs really shitty to cut out a whole group of people. I get it, the allies care, theyâre supportive, I donât want to make anyone feel unwelcome, but theyâre still not lgbtqa+. (Plus, you can still be called an ally without it having to be in the acronym, thatâs why theyâre called ALLIES, theyâre a SEPERATE group helping the main group.)
So, my point in the end is that, yes, it may help some to use the A for allies (for WHATEVER reason), but it hurts those of us that lose our representation.
(And, just so I donât forget, not even gonna sugar coat it: I donât give a fuck if the A was even ORIGINALLY for allies. It should be for asexuals.)
Itâs not a mutually exclusive thing (most spaces Iâve been in also incluce a-spec folks), Iâm just trying to explain what the deal is with âA for Allyâ since an earlier post got it all jumbled.
Ally-hate is rooted in a tragic ignorance of our history and it variously breaks my heart and pisses me off. Once upon a time, being an ally wasnât a badge straight people bragged about, it could ruin a personâs life. Supporting and protecting your out friend family member could be almost as risky as being out yourself. Allies were part of our community, they risked ostracism, loss of employment, even personal violence, to stand with us, to fight for us, to nurse our dying and bury our dead. Allies included straight parents that not only embraced their out children, but opened their hearts and homes to people whose families had rejected them. Allies included straight lawyers and politicians who worked to secure and protect our rights instead of playing it safe by turning our cases down. Allies included nurses, doctors, hospice carers who compassionately cared for HIV patients, when everyone else was afraid. Allies included people who risked everything to smuggle unapproved HIV medicines to people who needed them. Allies included celebrities and public figures who risked career suicide to advocate for us. Please, kids, learn our history.
I never âcast outâ asexuals for âbeing straightâ. If people wanna come do activism, and theyâre not total assholes about it, Iâm pretty much fine with that.
I got into this community identifying as âan allyâ something close to 30 years ago. If youâd asked me then I woulda said I was a straight dude. (It wouldnât have occurred to me to add the âcisâ qualifier.) These days Iâm gender-ambiguous, maybe a trans girl, married to a gay guy. Lifeâs weird.
But I will tell you straight up, I faced more hostility and more threats to my health and safety for being an âallyâ in the late 80s and early 90s than I do now for being a vaguely-masculine-looking person with nail polish and a husband.






























