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[thegirlwhowrites642]

I just reread cos i sort of felt annoyed at weasley brothers esp. Twins ( I know they are very beloved in fandom but I found their lack of common sense annoying sometimes) Do you think in cos weasley brothers were sort of neglectful? I can understand ron he is only one year older & has his own insecurities but fred and George were 14 & percy was 16. I am not saying its their fault but still. I am older sis myself I just can't imagine not noticing ( god forbid) my younger sibling going something like this. Maybe it's a brother thing to be like this. Anyways sorry for long rant,please share your thoughts.

I totally understand your point of view because I'm an older sister too, and there would have been no way in hell I would have missed something like this about my younger sibling. Though I have to say, Percy at least understands there's something wrong and we also know Ginny at eleven is a very practised liar that doesn't like to ask for help and doesn't have much faith in her family being in her corner (the Quidditch training in secret is such a perfect back story for the diary).

I think when the Weasley brothers really fail is after Ginny's first year.

A lot of people seem to believe that the worst things Ron did were not believing Harry in GoF or the Horcrux thing but I completely disagree. Those things are frankly very minor all considered and influenced by a lot of circumstantial reasons. The one thing that really always kind of stuck with me that was really shitty of Ron was when he shoves away Ginny at the start of PoA. Your sister has been possessed for a whole year by a dark lord fundamentally because she grew up very sheltered and all her brothers decided to ignore her while an evil dark object amplified all her insecurities and the year after you decide to behave with her in the same exact way?

And I get that Ron is jealous of his friendships due to his insecurities but there's a limit to what is justifiable (he grows out of it at least so kudos for that).

And then after the dementor's attack, it's not even Ron who takes care of her while she trembles.

And of course, the fact that Ginny searches for Ron even after he sent her away tells you something about the other brothers (maybe Percy had prefect things to do so he might be excused, but why wasn't she with the twins?).

But after all, it's one of the big themes of Ginny's story: she doesn't have anyone in her corner but herself.

Ginny starts the story victim of unimaginable horrors because of her loneliness but she becomes someone whose greatest strength is her ability to stand on her own (the girl is a rock) and who takes care of the people forgotten by everybody else. She once was the injured girl on the floor of the Chamber and she becomes the one who takes care of the injured girl on the grounds (soon after her brother died I might add).

[note: it's also a full circle moment for Harry and Ginny because, in the scene in DH, Harry is projecting on the injured girl]

[austenpoppy]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you, as someone who thinks our readings of the books are quite close and always enjoy reading your analysis.

First, I think that the Weasley brothers did notice that there was something amiss with Ginny, though they didn't have the tools to deal with the situation. I wrote an analysis (or rather compiled excerpts from the books here : https://austenpoppy.tumblr.com/post/688403214565081088/embed).

But to sum up the point I made in that analysis, I'd say that the fact they were all mentioned trying to get Ginny to be less sad at one point or another shows that they were aware of what state she was in : for instance, Ron tried to reassure her after Mrs Norris's disappearance, the Twins disguised themselves and jumped at her to try to cheer her up after Colin was discovered, and Percy, who did the most because that year he was the oldest, kept telling her she was not herself.

Now regarding PoA, I'm unsure why you implied that Ron dismissed Ginny because he was supposedly protective of his friendships. I don't think Ron's shown much of that trait in the books : for example, he let Ginny hang out with the trio in the beginning of book 4, in book 5, or in book 6.

Actually, we know why Ron dismissed Ginny in that train : that's because Harry told Ron and Hermione he wanted to speak with them in private. So Ron had to tell Ginny to go elsewhere.

Now, you can argue he could've done it differently. But would telling her that Harry - of all people - needed to talk to Ron and Hermione in private have really been better ? Wouldn't that have made her feel more excluded ? Wouldn't that have risked making her feel slightly paranoid, wouldn't that have risked making her think that Harry believed her to be weird ?

And wouldn't that have risked making her feel like she was sick and/or patronised, either ? The Weasley siblings (the Weasleys in general) don't talk to each other in a polite, respectful and sensitive manner. They don't take kid gloves with one another. If Ron had been more polite, Ginny would have been reminded that now she was different because of what had happened.

I'd argue that Ron, in that train before his third year, treated Ginny like nothing was out of the ordinary, as if they were back to normal, and I'd say this can also be good for someone who's been through terrible things. Ginny ended up feeling annoyed, like any sibling would feel in that scenario, but no emphasis was made on her exclusion from the group of friends, and no emphasis was made on what had happened to her either (which a change of tone in Ron's usual manner would have highlighted).

Are we also going to berate Ron for not focusing on his sister when his best friend had just passed out ? Yes, sure, he could have made a signal to Hermione to stay with Harry while he took care of his sister, but I feel like that's asking a lot from a 13-year old. It's normal to be very worried about someone who fainted in front of you (and had a simili-seizure).

Ultimately I wouldn't say Ginny only had herself to rely on : she had an army of brothers who would kill for her if needed, and who were attentive to her. However, she experienced a very traumatic event that none of her brothers could relate to (a weird and toxic connection with Voldemort), which is a sort of isolation that's not easy to overcome - but that Harry also experienced, as you said yourself in one of your analysis.

And as a side note, while I don't count Ron's Horcruxe episode as a mistake at all, and do not think "not believing Harry right away" in fourth year was in itself a mistake either (not sitting with Harry in Potions class or not rekindling the dialogue with him are behaviours that I'd rather begrudge Ron for regarding that particular incident), I'd say Ron imitating Hermione in sixth year would qualify as his biggest mistake.

I know I'm argumentative and tend to speak up more when I disagree (hence why my first post here since I took time off to write my dissertation project is a debate opening xD), but I hope you'll see this post as a simple disagreement from someone who really likes what you write.

[vivithefolle]

Honestly, my opinion of Ron's biggest mistake isn't him imitating Hermione (she laughed at him first; it's described as "Ron retaliated", so Ron wasn't the initiator there. If Hermione can't handle retaliation she shouldn't start shit).

His biggest mistake is probably dating Lavender, because it didn't just hurt Hermione, it hurt Lavender too, and it hurt Ron as well. Even if Ginny *did* push his buttons, Ron didn't have to go and involve Lavender in the whole mess.

But that's HBP: it's the Book Of Why Are You Making This A Stupid Teenage Romcom When The Last Book Told Us There'd Be A War. Or the Book Of Everyone Shits On Ron Because He Can't Be Better Than The Other Mary Sues.

Anyway. Yeah. Ron is a good brother who tries his best, it's not his fault his author is a dick.

[mciorr]

Ron biggest mistake is treating Ginny like shit because he didn't want her to be close with Harry and Hermione. And no, he isn't a good brother and he doesn't try his best. The author comment makes no sense.

[thegirlwhowrites642]

I just reread cos i sort of felt annoyed at weasley brothers esp. Twins ( I know they are very beloved in fandom but I found their lack of common sense annoying sometimes) Do you think in cos weasley brothers were sort of neglectful? I can understand ron he is only one year older & has his own insecurities but fred and George were 14 & percy was 16. I am not saying its their fault but still. I am older sis myself I just can't imagine not noticing ( god forbid) my younger sibling going something like this. Maybe it's a brother thing to be like this. Anyways sorry for long rant,please share your thoughts.

I totally understand your point of view because I'm an older sister too, and there would have been no way in hell I would have missed something like this about my younger sibling. Though I have to say, Percy at least understands there's something wrong and we also know Ginny at eleven is a very practised liar that doesn't like to ask for help and doesn't have much faith in her family being in her corner (the Quidditch training in secret is such a perfect back story for the diary).

I think when the Weasley brothers really fail is after Ginny's first year.

A lot of people seem to believe that the worst things Ron did were not believing Harry in GoF or the Horcrux thing but I completely disagree. Those things are frankly very minor all considered and influenced by a lot of circumstantial reasons. The one thing that really always kind of stuck with me that was really shitty of Ron was when he shoves away Ginny at the start of PoA. Your sister has been possessed for a whole year by a dark lord fundamentally because she grew up very sheltered and all her brothers decided to ignore her while an evil dark object amplified all her insecurities and the year after you decide to behave with her in the same exact way?

And I get that Ron is jealous of his friendships due to his insecurities but there's a limit to what is justifiable (he grows out of it at least so kudos for that).

And then after the dementor's attack, it's not even Ron who takes care of her while she trembles.

And of course, the fact that Ginny searches for Ron even after he sent her away tells you something about the other brothers (maybe Percy had prefect things to do so he might be excused, but why wasn't she with the twins?).

But after all, it's one of the big themes of Ginny's story: she doesn't have anyone in her corner but herself.

Ginny starts the story victim of unimaginable horrors because of her loneliness but she becomes someone whose greatest strength is her ability to stand on her own (the girl is a rock) and who takes care of the people forgotten by everybody else. She once was the injured girl on the floor of the Chamber and she becomes the one who takes care of the injured girl on the grounds (soon after her brother died I might add).

[note: it's also a full circle moment for Harry and Ginny because, in the scene in DH, Harry is projecting on the injured girl]

[austenpoppy]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you, as someone who thinks our readings of the books are quite close and always enjoy reading your analysis.

First, I think that the Weasley brothers did notice that there was something amiss with Ginny, though they didn't have the tools to deal with the situation. I wrote an analysis (or rather compiled excerpts from the books here : https://austenpoppy.tumblr.com/post/688403214565081088/embed).

But to sum up the point I made in that analysis, I'd say that the fact they were all mentioned trying to get Ginny to be less sad at one point or another shows that they were aware of what state she was in : for instance, Ron tried to reassure her after Mrs Norris's disappearance, the Twins disguised themselves and jumped at her to try to cheer her up after Colin was discovered, and Percy, who did the most because that year he was the oldest, kept telling her she was not herself.

Now regarding PoA, I'm unsure why you implied that Ron dismissed Ginny because he was supposedly protective of his friendships. I don't think Ron's shown much of that trait in the books : for example, he let Ginny hang out with the trio in the beginning of book 4, in book 5, or in book 6.

Actually, we know why Ron dismissed Ginny in that train : that's because Harry told Ron and Hermione he wanted to speak with them in private. So Ron had to tell Ginny to go elsewhere.

Now, you can argue he could've done it differently. But would telling her that Harry - of all people - needed to talk to Ron and Hermione in private have really been better ? Wouldn't that have made her feel more excluded ? Wouldn't that have risked making her feel slightly paranoid, wouldn't that have risked making her think that Harry believed her to be weird ?

And wouldn't that have risked making her feel like she was sick and/or patronised, either ? The Weasley siblings (the Weasleys in general) don't talk to each other in a polite, respectful and sensitive manner. They don't take kid gloves with one another. If Ron had been more polite, Ginny would have been reminded that now she was different because of what had happened.

I'd argue that Ron, in that train before his third year, treated Ginny like nothing was out of the ordinary, as if they were back to normal, and I'd say this can also be good for someone who's been through terrible things. Ginny ended up feeling annoyed, like any sibling would feel in that scenario, but no emphasis was made on her exclusion from the group of friends, and no emphasis was made on what had happened to her either (which a change of tone in Ron's usual manner would have highlighted).

Are we also going to berate Ron for not focusing on his sister when his best friend had just passed out ? Yes, sure, he could have made a signal to Hermione to stay with Harry while he took care of his sister, but I feel like that's asking a lot from a 13-year old. It's normal to be very worried about someone who fainted in front of you (and had a simili-seizure).

Ultimately I wouldn't say Ginny only had herself to rely on : she had an army of brothers who would kill for her if needed, and who were attentive to her. However, she experienced a very traumatic event that none of her brothers could relate to (a weird and toxic connection with Voldemort), which is a sort of isolation that's not easy to overcome - but that Harry also experienced, as you said yourself in one of your analysis.

And as a side note, while I don't count Ron's Horcruxe episode as a mistake at all, and do not think "not believing Harry right away" in fourth year was in itself a mistake either (not sitting with Harry in Potions class or not rekindling the dialogue with him are behaviours that I'd rather begrudge Ron for regarding that particular incident), I'd say Ron imitating Hermione in sixth year would qualify as his biggest mistake.

I know I'm argumentative and tend to speak up more when I disagree (hence why my first post here since I took time off to write my dissertation project is a debate opening xD), but I hope you'll see this post as a simple disagreement from someone who really likes what you write.

[adenei]

I truly often think y'all forget when rereading as adults that these are teenagers. and BARELY teenagers at that. To find a well emotionally regulated 11-17 year old is literally like finding a needle in a haystack. They can barely take care of themselves let alone another person. Hell, most adults in our society don't have proper emotion regulation.

Obviously, yes there are instances of kids having to grow up a lot sooner because they have to take care of their siblings and act as the parent, but those are super extreme situations, and Ginny had both parents. She had a whole course load of teachers. Her brothers are self-absorbed in their own issues.

Yes, siblings look out for each other, but please don't expect them to do the job of an adult.

And for the love of god can we PLEASE stop blaming Ron for not doing enough for everyone else and for *gasp* being the only character who kind of actually ACTS HIS AGE??

[mciorr]

Are you for real? Ginny is his sister and he treated her like shit because he didn't want her in his friends group.

[raveneira]

Nah Sarada/BoruSara accounts on twitter have to be setups. There's no way they're trying to drag Himawari for "needing Kurama" when Sarada's only usefulness comes from her MS and she just messed things up trying to use it for the third time. There's stuff to criticize about Himawari but it would most likely apply to Sarada too. Her awakening wasn't about realizing feelings for a boy, she talks about using her power to help, she got right to training to learn about her new abilities, and she can fight without spamming her biju bombs. It's the bare minimum but we didn't even get that for Sarada. But this is why her writing is so trash. They praise the bare minimum when other people actually have expectations for their faves. If they raised the bar a tiny bit it might've actually pushed Ikemoto to put a little more effort in but they couldn't even do that. It should be an outrage that Sarada's arsenal is restricted to her MS and she's already fainting from using it. Not to mention that things are still going according to KK's plan which means the purpose of her awakening her MS was so she could knock herself out! It's ridiculous. I'm almost looking forward to her getting embarrassed again just to watch them cry about it.

Nah Sarada/BoruSara accounts on twitter have to be setups. There's no way they're trying to drag Himawari for "needing Kurama" when Sarada's only usefulness comes from her MS and she just messed things up trying to use it for the third time.

Well if you wanna make that argument its not like you cant, its fair to say that she ‘needs Kurama’ because without him Hima was fairly weak [Ikemoto’s fault not mine, hes the one who forgot her byakugan and gentle fist] so you COULD make that argument if thats what you wanna go with

Just like its fair to say Naruto needs Kurama, cuz alot of his feats came from his help, and since Kurama is a separate entity with his own power and abilities, you could say thats ‘cheating’ in a sense, whereas Sasuke and other Uchiha’s powers come from their genetics, so its their own power from their own bloodline rather than a separate entity.

So if you wanna make that argument you could, thats fair if you wanna go there, but theres a flip side to this.

Its also fair if you wanna drag the Uchiha for needing their kekkei genkai, cuz remove that and what do the Uchiha really have? Mainly fire jutsu right? You could make that argument too since a kekkei genkai is also a buff they didnt gain on their own, its not a power they had to cultivate on their own, it was just always in them and they always had the potential to awaken and use it.

So if you wanna make that argument too you could, you could easily say only characters like Sakura and Lee etc are the only ppl worth praise and truly strong because their power was entirely earned and built from scratch.

But then your just being stupid at that point, if you strip EVERYONE of what makes them powerful simply because they didnt build it from scratch then you’ll have to disregard half the main cast, two of which are the got danm MCs of the entire series [Naruto and Sasuke] so its a dumb argument.

Just cuz you CAN make that argument doesnt mean you SHOULD, so does Hima need Kurama? Yes she does, but Sarada also needs her MS, she wasnt doing a danm thing before gaining that power just like Hima wasnt doing a danm thing before Kurama, its a dumb point.

There's stuff to criticize about Himawari but it would most likely apply to Sarada too.

Exactly, neither side has a leg to stand on in this debate, Ikemoto forgot about BOTH of their full arsenals and made them over reliant on one thing [MS/Kurama] and nothing else, literally neglecting half their other arsenal, so neither side should point fingers when their both in the same boat, an incompetent writer who doesnt even know the full power of the characters he’s writing.

Her awakening wasn't about realizing feelings for a boy, she talks about using her power to help, she got right to training to learn about her new abilities, and she can fight without spamming her biju bombs.

Thats whats so disgusting about Sarada’s writing and why Himas is objectively better by comparison, the SECOND she got her new power she immediately started trying to learn how to use it, training with Kurama, asking questions, she didnt just get the power and think ‘Im invincible’ she got the power and worked to hone and control it, to learn what she could do and how to do it.

Sarada got her power and immediately turned into Code when he got his limiters off, she thought she was invincible, she didnt say it out loud like he did, but her actions said it for her.

She had DAYS to look into her MS, to ask questions, to find out more about it, how to use it, whats the drawbacks, and she did NOTHING but sat on her ass that whole time and thought she was just built like that.

EVEN when she SAW her limitations play out in real time, 16 Mamushi had her slumped over and nearly blind, that right there was a CLEAR indicator of her limits and what did she do? She tells Shikamaru she can do not only 30, but 50 got danm Mamushi

That was arrogant af, she made Code getting YEEHAWED by Daemon look like it wasnt that bad, because atleast Code didnt take himself out due to his own overestimation of his power, he just thought he was untouchable and Daemon put him in his place, Sarada put her own danm self in her place.

Daemon humbled Code, Sarada humbled herself, that is beyond embarrassing.

Its a shame that the 13 year old unofficial ninja in training has more self awareness than 15 yr old Sarada whos an official ninja with years of ninja training and experience

It's the bare minimum but we didn't even get that for Sarada.

Yep…shame

But this is why her writing is so trash. They praise the bare minimum when other people actually have expectations for their faves. If they raised the bar a tiny bit it might've actually pushed Ikemoto to put a little more effort in but they couldn't even do that.

Cuz they care more about a ship than Sarada’s character.

It should be an outrage that Sarada's arsenal is restricted to her MS and she's already fainting from using it. Not to mention that things are still going according to KK's plan which means the purpose of her awakening her MS was so she could knock herself out! It's ridiculous. I'm almost looking forward to her getting embarrassed again just to watch them cry about it.

Tell me about it…its so obvious that KK only needed her MS for the sole purpose of taking down Ryu, he hasnt planned or requested anything of her MS since then, and his lack of reaction to her takin herself out proves it, because when Boruto was about to die he freaked out and panicked because he needed him, when he saw Himawari die in his future vision he recruited Inojin to help prevent it, he sent Boruto to go have Sumire fix his sword instead of just a regular ol blacksmith, but Sarada? Radio silence, no plan for her, and no reaction when she took herself out and ruined the plan, not a single fk was given.

And that right there tells you all you need to know, he only needed her for Ryu and thats it, he already saw the multiple outcomes this Mamushi fight could go, theres no way he didnt see Sarada’s eye exploding being one of them, but he only made an effort to prevent Himawari’s death, and Ada is obviously a given cuz god only knows what’ll happen if she turned shinju but yeah.

Lets just call it how we see it, KK let Sarada take herself out because nothing of value would be lost if she did or he’d be panicking right now, the fact that he isnt means her taking herself out actually either works in his benefit, or its just irrelevant and something else thats about to happen is more important.

Either way its not a good look for Sarada, for KK to be that unconcerned and have absolutely nothing to say about Sarada in general, no plan for her, no warnings to prevent what just happened, not even Boruto or Shikamaru to inform her not to use her MS until they gather them all in one place later, he legit said absolutely nothing about her and left everything to happen exactly how it did with her, which means he felt no need to intervene.

So yea, next month is gonna be a FUN time, because everyone is going to benefit at Sarada’s expense, either Himawari will benefit or Boruto, or both, hell maybe even Kawaki, regardless whoever gets a boost after this its going to come at Sarada’s expense because she had to take herself out first for it to happen.

But yea, neither side should really try to play this card cuz both get done dirty when it comes to their arsenal, thats a complaint to take up with Ikemoto, not eachother, but only one fandom actually gives a danm about their fave enough to make that complaint, while the other embraces it as long as it fuels their ship. Thats the major difference between the fandoms and why Himas writing, despite its flaws, is still objectively better.

[mciorr]

Hima wasn't a kunoichi before Kurama and even then she knocked out Naruto and Kurama himself at the same time at three years old. Sarada was falling in genjutsus with the sharingan activated.

[dapperprincess]

Me, years ago: idk it just seems like every time I’ve heard a man say he was being abused by a woman it turns out he was actually abusing her. Is it wrong to just assume that’s the case anytime I hear a man say that since I’ve literally never seen it be actually true?

Commenters: omg that’s so fucked up. Maybe educate yourself on domestic abuse from experts before you go saying things like this??

Experts on domestic abuse: When a man says he is being abused by a woman, you should assume he is abusing the woman in question and wants your help to keep her in line. Abusive men often use this technique in professional settings such as therapy, and it’s important not to buy into it for even a second.

[paleo-violet]

The domestic violence training I went to a few days ago was meant for an audience of EMTs and law enforcement, and the two detectives heading the presentation literally said this. They obviously acknowledge that male victims of female abusers do exist and do deserve help, but the odds of this scenario are slim. They've seen men bash themselves in the face to incriminate their female victim when the latter calls 911. They went over in aching detail how male abusers will buddy up to first responders and play the victim, because they know from experience that it often works. Often, these male abusers will beat their victims to the phone to call for help...for themselves and their self inflicted injuries which they blame on their wives or girlfriends.

They also love to hit and beat their victims until the victims finally retaliate with a small slap or push. Then, predictably, the abusers will tell anyone who'll listen that they are the abuse victim.

One of the presenters said he'd literally gotten camera footage of a male suspect acquainting his fist with his face while pretending to scream as his bruised and battered wife was on the phone with 911, and then, when the cops showed up, he came crying about how she'd beaten him. The idiot did it all in view of his ring camera.

They are very predictable. Unfortunately, there's a reason they're so confident in their tactics: those tactics work on law enforcement, which is permeated with misogyny.

And, doubly unfortunately, I could add all the disclaimers about how male victims truly do exist and deserve help, etc.,....and yet some people will still choose to read this as hatred towards them.

(btw, you know who's usually the perpetrator of DV on male victims? Other men.)

[blvnk-art]

“I know, I know, don’t touch the beard”.

Harry having a quality time with his daughter

[Instagram: @potterbyblvnk]

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

This rule was made after Albus snuck out of the house to go to a drag show, saw a beard queen and then died Harry’s beard pink and filled it with glitter while Harry was asleep

[mciorr]

No, the rule was made because Ginny loves the beard.

[stillgotscars]

“i heard you call me ‘boring barbie’ when the coke’s got you brave”

[mciorr]

Are you really comparing that lame shit with Kendrick's savagery? And I'm 100% sure Charli never called her something as corny and pathetic as Boring Barbie, if she called Taylor anything it was c*nt or tw*t.

[subtextchan]

pretty sure this is what happened

and then it ended forever, a nice even 699 chapters

[ironjeonss]

Perfect ending. A happily ever after.

[mciorr]

This shit isn't canon thankfully because it would be the most senseless ending ever. No one would be happy with this crap.

[surgepricing]

I think about Azula shooters often and their common refrain of "if Azula hadn't had a mental breakdown, she would've won" and I'm here to tell you that no, she wouldn't have.

There is no universe in which Azula was winning that fight with Zuko (or Katara, for that matter).

Azula spent so much of Book 2 being built up as this deadly terrifying force against whom the heroes are badly outmatched that it can be difficult to catch exactly how quickly Zuko is advancing.

Back up a bit to Book One. For the fearsome exiled crown prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko's not that impressive a firebender. He's not bad by any stretch, and he's able to lay the untrained Sokka and Katara flat pretty easily. Then he gets in the ring with Aang, who is an airbending master, and the difference between a regular bender and a master becomes apparent when Aang literally puts his ass to bed:

People have attributed this to the fact that no one's fought an airbender in 100 years, but I think it's also worth noting that Aang (a 12 year old from a pacifist nation) has probably never fought anyone before. Like, ever. And yet the second Aang thinks "okay, I'll attack back", the fight's over.

Zuko's got the same genetic predisposition for firebending talent that Azula does, yet it never seems to manifest because of his mental blocks. At the beginning of the series, he's already so beat down that all he really has is conviction, pride, and anger, so even with training from Iroh (the firebending master, thank you very much), he struggles. Yet throughout Book 2, when he has no time to train because he's on the run, he actually seems to advance faster. The fact that his bending is literally tied to his character arc (as his morals become tangled and he has to fight off aforementioned mental blocks) is pretty brilliant. Like, by the time of the Crossroads of Destiny, Zuko getting his ass handed to him by Aang is a pretty consistent feature of the show--he just can't match wits with him.

Hell, at the beginning of the series, he and Iroh (again: the actual firebending master) launch a combined power surface-to-air attack...which Aang casually swats away into a nearby ice wall. Come the Crossroads of Destiny, however, and Zuko by himself launches this bigass fireball that blows through Aang's defenses.

Zuko advances so quickly that it's scary. That prodigious talent is in him even if it doesn't come through as cleanly as with Azula. Who, by the way, was busy about to get flattened by Katara some few dozen feet away, until Zuko took over and then effectively stalemated her himself.

All of this in retrospect makes it abundantly clear why Zuko's firebending seemed to skyrocket so much when he learned true firebending from the Sun Warriors: it was really the only thing left. He's hard a hard road learning how to fight waterbenders, earthbenders, and airbenders, and even if unconsciously, he's applying the philosophy Iroh taught him about augmenting his bending style with aspects of other styles (see also, the waterbending-like fire whips he uses in the above gif). Once he actually understands fire and how it works, he's got it mastered. Hence why any gap between him and Azula effectively disappears as soon as their next fight--before her friends have betrayed her and her stability goes out the window. There's no real sense of urgency to their fight at the Boiling Rock prison. True, Sokka's presence with the sword helps, but Zuko doesn't look remotely worried and he counters Azula's every attack perfectly.

All her life, Azula only ever learned fire. She was taught by the best people the fire nation can employ, so she knows all the cool tricks, but she's still poisoned by the corrupted firebending practiced in the modern ATLA timeline. Unlike Zuko, who managed to get the basics if nothing else from Iroh (fire comes from the breath, and can be used to survive as much as to kill), Azula has always used fire as a weapon and a means to hurt others. She has no true knowledge of the craft, meaning she's got the same weaknesses as Zhao, she's just better disciplined to the point she can make up for it.

Zuko's victory was a given considering Azula's complete loss of control by the time of Sozin's comet, but even had she been in a perfect mental state, she'd have lost, because in many ways Zuko is simply the better firebender.

And that's the truth of it.

[2blondiegirl]

[assporn]

FINALLY someone says it

[mciorr]

It's not true. Zuko is canonically the worst firebender in the show and Azula is the best firebender in history. Iroh, Katara and Zuko himself said he didn't stand a chance against Azula before The Agni Kai. He would have lost like all the other times. Zuko is useless.

[avoidmadeofmoths]

I wanted to add on to this analysis of Zuko "feeding" the turtle-ducks because I think that Ursa's behavior in this scene is just as interesting as Zuko's. This scene is the first time that we ever meet Ursa. This sweet scene between mother and son is our baseline for understanding for what she is like as a person and I think it provides essential context for what we see of her later on.

Almost as soon as the scene begins, Zuko decides to make fun of his sister by mimicking her failure to feed turtle-ducks correctly. As part of the "joke" Zuko decides to physically throw food at a baby animal. Ursa is, unsurprisingly, disturbed by this. However, I think her response is outstanding.

Ursa begins by immediately asking "Zuko, why would you do that?" By using Zuko's name, she addresses him directly and invites him to respond. Although she does not demand a verbal answer, phrasing her admonishment as a question encourages Zuko to reflect on his behavior and why it has upset his mother. The pause in the conversation gives him a chance to explain himself if he wants to.

In choosing to ask why Zuko would do such a thing, Ursa also demonstrates that she understands that he must have had a reason even if she can't immediately comprehend it. Even if he doesn't respond verbally, she still expects there to be an answer that can be understood and therefore addressed. This is something that Zuko did and something that he can stop doing.

When the turtle-duck attacked him, Ursa quickly pulled it away from him without hesitation. She is disappointed, but she doesn't want him to get hurt. Even when Zuko doubles down on his behavior, fails to apologize, and begins insulting the turtle-duck for doing the same thing to him that he had just done to it, Ursa remains gentle. She speaks to Zuko softly and slowly lowers herself to sit beside him, so that she isn't looming over him or shouting in such a way that might be intimidating to child raised in an abusive environment.

When Zuko asks why the turtle-duck attacked him, Ursa's response is incredible. "Oh Zuko, that's what moms are like. If you mess with their babies [chomp] they're gonna bite you back!"

Here, Ursa repeats his name more softly than she had used it before, signalling that she is no longer upset. This helps relieve the likely anxiety Zuko is feeling about being in trouble after years of living with Ozai. Then, rather than simply admonishing Zuko, Ursa explains the cause and effect of his behavior; he messed with the turtle-ducks, so the turtle-duck bit him. In this moment, she isn't just telling him that his actions were wrong, but teaching to think about the consequences of them.

Ursa also compares the turtle-ducks he had been terrorizing to herself, someone who Zuko already loves and cares about. This allows Zuko a chance to view the turtle-duck in a new light. Rather than a group dumb animals who act without reason, it is a mother and her babies who he has just hurt. The compassion and sympathy he naturally feels for his mom is transferred to the animals. 

But even more brilliantly, is the way that Ursa compares herself to the turtle-ducks. Not only does she explain that the turtle-duck had been protecting its babies, she tells Zuko plainly she would act in exactly the same way if he was hurt, because she is his mom. That is what moms are like. Even while expressing disapproval and explaining why his actions were harmful, Ursa continues to affirm that Zuko is safe with her. She will protect him. She will fight for him. She will never hurt him. 

All of this is done as she begins playfully mimicking a turtle-duck coming to bite him once again. This hammers her point home while also cheering Zuko up. They both end the interaction laughing. Holding each on to each other in a warm hug that clearly shows their shared love and affection.

In a single interaction, she simultaneously acknowledges his wrong doing and encourages empathy for the turtle-ducks, all the while reaffirming her unconditional love for him.

In this scene, Ursa clearly demonstrates that she is capable of being an outstanding mother. Kind, empathic, patient. She is incredibly emotionally intelligent in a way that allows her to make her son feel safe, even as she admonishes him for his bad behavior and guides him into becoming more compassionate. The bond between Ursa and Zuko does not exist because he is incapable of cruelty, but because she is willing to sit by his side and care for him even when does terribly cruel things.

This is unfortunately never how we see Ursa treat Azula.

If we were to apply this strategy of dealing with Zuko’s cruel behavior to Azula’s callousness later in the episode, then she would have started by saying “Azula, why would you say such a thing?” She would likely approach Azula slowly and search for a way to help Azula understand death without scaring her about the reality of it. Perhaps she might have asked the same question Zuko did (having clearly learned from Ursa herself earlier the same day), before reaffirming to her daughter that no one in the family is going to die because they all look out for each other (even if they annoy each other). If she is really paying attention, she might even promise to talk to Iroh about his future gifts. They could both laugh together about how silly he is.

This is not what we see Ursa do. 

Instead, her response to Azula's callous words is consistently cold and blunt. “Azula! We do not speak that way. It would be awful if uncle Iroh didn’t return.” 

Here, the use of Azula’s name does not invite a response. Ursa’s tone is far sharper than it had been with Zuko and what follows isn't a question, but a command. This is Ursa telling Azula what she must do, rather than inviting an explanation of what she is actually thinking. There is no pause in the conversation where Azula is able to consider why what she had said might have caused anyone distress, and Ursa never encourages her to do so. 

By failing to ask Azula why she is saying these things, Ursa demonstrates that she has no interest in understanding the cause of her daughter’s attitude. She never acknowledges Azula’s thoughts or feelings. Nor does she expect her to have a reason for her behavior. While Zuko is assumed to have some kind of motivation to explain his actions, Azula is automatically condemned as malicious without a second thought. 

This is a particularly strange assumption, considering that Zuko’s attack on the turtle-duck didn’t have an inciting incident to justify his cruelty. Meanwhile, Azula’s frustration at Iroh is a clear result of his dismissive and misogynistic “gift.” If Ursa recognized the source of Azula’s frustration at all, she still didn’t acknowledge it or offer any alternative way for her daughter to deal with those difficult feelings. Zuko’s unprompted physical aggression towards an innocent animal is given more benefit of the doubt than Azula’s morbid (but ultimately harmless) question about the line of succession. 

An indeterminate time later, Ursa arrives to inform the children that their father has requested an audience with Fire Lord Azulon. Azula once again makes a callous comment about the possibility of a relative (this time her grandfather) dying. In response, Ursa snaps.

“Young lady! Not another word!”

Here, Ursa doesn’t even use Azula’s name. Instead, she talks down to her, reducing her to her age and gender. The choice to refer to Azula in such a way strips away any familiarity between two of them, drawing dividing lines between mother and daughter. Ursa frames herself as an absolute authority by virtue of her age. She does this in order to, once again, command Azula rather than explain what she did wrong or communicate with her.

(It is also notable that, due to the previous scene, we know that Azula's gender and the expectation that she become the "young lady" Ursa is referencing to is a sore spot for Azula. This might be because Ursa does not understand this part of her daughter, or it might be because she is disturbed by Azula's disinterest in feminine things and is hoping to pressure her back into a more submissive role by reminding Azula of her place.)

In this moment, Ursa doesn’t just fail to reach out to Azula in the same way she had reached out to Zuko, but ends up intimidating her. With a furious expression, Ursa looms over Azula, large and imposing as she blocks the room’s only exit. Every word is sharp and cold, brokering no room for self defense. In an instant, Azula transforms. In five words, her carefree and relaxed demeanor disappears as she flees the room as quickly as possible. Her face is blank, all signs of emotion carefully hidden as she runs away from her own mother. 

Later the same day, we see Ursa grab Azula by the arm and physically drag her from the room before either child has a chance to explain what they were fighting about. 

(While not inherently abusive in itself, she is still interacting with two children that have lived in an abusive environment their entire lives. Whatever Ursa's intentions might be, they still do not change how the children will interpret her anger.)

For now, as Azula leaves, she overhears her mother ask “what is wrong with that child?”

This is the first question we see Ursa ask of Azula, but it isn’t one that she is supposed to have an answer to. Ursa isn’t speaking to Azula, she is speaking about her. Literally behind her back. Instead of asking “why?” she asks “what?” as if there are no real thoughts or feelings behind Azula’s attitude that Ursa, as her mother, could be trying to understand. 

Here, Ursa doesn’t just describe Azula as doing things that are wrong. She says that there is something wrong with her. Not her attitude. Not her behaviour. Not her father’s bad influence. There is something wrong with her. 

Zuko’s misbehavior is understood by Ursa as actions that he has taken but that are, ultimately, separate from his person hood. If Zuko does something bad, he must have a reason. Azula's misbehavior is attributed to a fundamental part of her being. Ursa isn’t looking for answers about why Azula says these callous things, because she doesn’t expect Azula to need a reason. She just is.

The fandom often attributes Azula’s bad behavior to Ozai’s influence and her choice to “ignore” Ursa’s lessons. But the truth is that, unlike with Zuko, Ursa never actually tried to encourage Azula to have empathy for others or to think about the consequences of her attitude.

Ursa tells, rather than teaches, Azula what to do. She expects her to be obedient and becomes angry when isn’t, but never actually takes the time to explain why her actions are wrong. The endless patience and sympathy she gives Zuko is simply never granted to Azula. Ursa never reaffirms to her daughter that, no matter how cross she might be, she will still love and protect her because that is what moms do. Only her son receives that kind of unconditional love. 

This isn’t because Zuko never did anything wrong as a child. We only understand how deeply loving and supportive Ursa was to him through the context of him throwing things at innocent animals. It isn’t because Ursa lacks the emotional intelligence to balance admonishment with affection. She does this effortlessly for her son… just not her daughter. Even Ozai isn’t standing in her way. He isn’t present for any of these scenes and Ursa is completely free to interact with Azula however she wants.

In the end, it was nothing but Ursa's choices that caused her to treat Azula more harshly than she ever treated Zuko. We don't know, for certain, why this is but we have seen the consequences clearly. Zuko felt loved by his mother, Azula didn't. This isn't because Zuko was simply idealizing his mother too much to see her flaws or because Azula imagined a distance between them that wasn't there. There is a real difference in how Ursa treated her children that cannot simply be explained by "Zuko is pure of heart" and "Azula is a rotten monster."

Neither sibling is wrong or right about their upbringing. There is no fight over Ursa's true nature to be won. Just two very different relationships with the same complex woman.

[callmealioness]

This post is a great example of the misogyny directed toward Ursa and weaponized against every female character in this fandom. Sexism isn’t just calling women demeaning names; it’s also overanalyzing, inspecting, and judging everything they do in a way you’d never do with men. I have never seen an analysis of this kind applied to Hakoda and his interactions with Sokka and Katara, even though there’s more screen time dedicated to Katara’s feelings of abandonment toward her father than to Azula’s opinion of her mother—it’s Ursa who is constantly targeted by this fandom.

You are misrepresenting the first situation.

> Zuko decides to make fun of his sister by mimicking her failure to feed turtle-ducks correctly. As part of the "joke" Zuko decides to physically throw food at a baby animal.

No, this is not what happened. Zuko is saying that Azula hits the turtle-ducks and, when he imitated her, he was immediately taken aback by the pain he had caused. That’s why Ursa didn’t have to scold him—Zuko’s visible shock conveys that he understood what he had done was wrong. This scene is meant to portray Zuko and Azula as foils.

I fail to see the difference between “Zuko, why would you do that?” and “Azula, we do not speak that way.” [The script doesn’t include an exclamation point there—simply a comma.] If I wanted to argue like you do, I’d say that the first line is accusatory, while the second one is a simple lesson—meaning that Ursa is putting Zuko under more pressure by asking him to explain himself. But I’m not going to use your methods against you; this is another instance of ridiculous finger-pointing at a good parenting moment. Azula had already hurt animals and her friends in this episode, so Ursa is correct to be concerned about her daughter being so cavalier with violence against her family.

> Later the same day, we see Ursa grab Azula by the arm and physically drag her from the room before either child has a chance to explain what they were fighting about. (While not inherently abusive in itself, she is still interacting with two children that have lived in an abusive environment their entire lives. […])

Ursa holds Azula in the exact same way that Azula holds Zuko earlier in the episode.

(In fact, it’s not the same. Azula held Zuko by the arm, Ursa held Azula by the wrist—so, more delicately)

Since you’re discussing how a child raised in this environment would interpret this motion, I have to ask: do we ever see Ozai touch his children? Their home is depicted as almost entirely lacking in physical contact—I can’t think of a single time Ozai has reached for his children besides his attacks on Zuko. So no, I don’t think being grabbed by the wrist would remind Azula of Ozai.

> "Young lady! Not another word!" Here, Ursa doesn't even use Azula's name. Instead, she talks down to her, reducing her to her age and gender.

Again with the overanalysis—now we’re breaking it down to semantics. This is the second time Azula has expressed a wish to see a family member dead, and it comes after a pattern of violence toward animals and her own friends. How would a good parent react to that comment? Do you think they would start weighing their semantics?

> This isn't because Zuko never did anything wrong as a child.

Name them. Name the ‘wrong’ things that Zuko did as a child that Ursa should’ve admonished him for.

Funnily enough, you didn’t include the scene where Ursa calls Azula “darling” and tells Zuko to play with her, nor the fact that Ursa didn’t punish Azula when Zuko came back soaking wet, or the scene where they’re all smiling while reading Iroh’s card. You handpicked a tender scene with Zuko and compared it to scenes where Azula is acting out.

I don’t have the energy to break down your entire post. I’m just tired of this tendency where everything a female character does, even down to the diction, is scrutinized and maligned. Ursa is one of the most grievous examples of this, part of the fandom has decided that they hate her so they work backwards to justify their hate.

[mciorr]

You complain about the fandom's misogyny and your answer to that is... being misogynistic towards Azula making shit up about something that's never shown, said or even implied in the show. Azula never hurt the turtleducks, it was Zuko and only Zuko, a guy who you're defending by lying and being misogynistic to a female character. Hypocrite.

[ventigh]

SHE SAID YOURE WELCOME BITCHES!!!!

also!

does this mean azula learned to redirect lightning as well??? no help from anyone, no nothing???? 😭 akdkskd another iroh parallel... it's a shame he hates her, they r far more alike than anyone can ever say.

[mciorr]

It's a shame Iroh is a misogynistic piece of shit.

[zuko-always-lies]

Potential ways that Azula might connect with each member of the Gaang

Aang: over duty and responsibility.

Toph: over bending, maybe over their awful childhoods.

Sokka: nerding out over military history and other military stuff, maybe a bit about responsibility.

Suki: fighting moves, leadership, responsibility.

Katara: being younger sisters(?), maybe a bit over bending(?) Not over their mothers, because Katara would find Azula's attitude toward Ursa incomprehensible.

[gloomybadger4life]

With Katara it would be Azula riling her up until Katara snaps and bloodbender her.

And then Azula would just be like... Glorious. Your wrath is beautiful. Feels good doesn't it..

You are not a monster Katara, but you are strong. Now show me....

And so on so forth.

[mciorr]

Katara can't bloodbend whenever she wants, she needs a full moon and if Mako was able to break from Ammon's stronger bloodbending Azula obviously would break easily from Katara's vut that won't ever happen because Azula would never act or say something like that, that sounds so OOC.

[zuko-always-lies]

What exactly were everyone's character arcs supposed to be?

This is an interesting question for ATLA, and one sometimes without a clear answer. Some characters have reasonably complete character arcs, and others simply don't, to a degree which is often not acknowledged today. A few are in-between. This not necessarily a function of screen time. Jet and Yue have reasonably complete character arcs despite only briefly appearing, while others with far more screen time do not.

Without further ado, I'll go through the characters one by one and try to give an answer:

Yue, as I said, has a story which feels complete with a beginning, middle, and end. She's a very duty bound person committed a political marriage to help her tribe, a person who was saved by the holy symbols of it in the first place. Then she falls in love with Sokka but refuses to break off her engagement out of duty. And finally she sacrifices her life out of duty to save everyone.

Jet also feels like he has an arc. You can take issue with how it was written and how it plays out, since he really got the short straw, but it's an arc. From being orphaned by the Iroh-aligned Rough Rhinos, to fighting the Fire Nation and going "too far," to trying to make a new start in Ba Sing Se, to correctly getting suspicious about Zuko and Iroh, to being brainwashed by the Dai Li, to dying fighting against Long Feng. It's not nearly as coherent as Yue's arc, but it's something.

Suki, by contrast, doesn't have much of an arc. I've heard before the concept of "character arc" being defined as "either the character changes or the audience's perception of them changes." Neither of those things ever happen with Suki. She remains unchanged, and we learn nothing really about her. The only meaningful character change which happens is that she and Sokka fall in love.

Aang quite obviously has an arc: grow into the position of Avatar, defeat the Firelord, befriend Zuko, and the end the war. And, of course, get together with Katara.

Zuko also has an arc, which the show probably spends more time on than with anyone else: change sides, become friends with the Gaang(although that bit was very poorly written), and reject his abusive father and instead start worshipping his uncle. And I suppose grow strong enough to beat the crap out of his sister, like he's always wanted to do.

Iroh, by contrast, couldn't have less of an arc. Any attempt to read an arc into the mess of extremely incoherent writing he was would require extreme charity. In the end, we're supposed to both accept he "changed" offscreen before the show(that his arc was already mostly complete?) but also that he was "always good" anyways.

Toph doesn't have an arc. 90% of her character development, such as it was, is confined to her first two appearances. After that, she's merely a hanger on to the Gaang. As much as people love her, there is so little to her story. Her character is better defined than Suki, but her story isn't.

Azula is supposed to have an arc. It's supposed to be about falling apart, going insane, and being lain low. But it was extremely rushed and shoved unconvincingly into the last few episodes, and the writers were uninterested in explaining what actually happened to make her fall apart, so I struggle to say she has anything resembling a coherent arc.

Ty Lee also doesn't have an arc. Her arc, such as it was imagined, was supposed to "betray Azula." Yet none of the character development she gets over the series leads in that direction, and we have every reason to believe she would have acted the same at the beginning of the series as she did at the end. And of course there was no "redemption" aside from switching sides for her.

Mai has slightly more of an arc than Ty Lee, but that's only because it involves her getting together with Zuko and eventually sacrificing herself to protect him. Otherwise, it's about as coherent as Ty Lee's arc.

Sokka's arc is an interesting one. I would say that there are four things they experiment with as the basis for his arc. First, there is his distrust for Aang, which is rapidly resolved. Second is his sexism, which is equally rapidly resolved. Third is unease over being a nonbender, but that's only rarely referenced over the course of the series, and is fully "resolved" in the truly awful episode "Sokka's Master" early in Book 3. Finally, there is the issue of his daddy issues and his desire to prove himself as a warrior. That is something his story keeps coming back to over and over again. However, it is almost entirely resolved in the Day of Black Sun episodes, where Sokka leads the SWT in battle, despite a couple weird later references in the Boiling Rock episodes. Thus, I would Sokka has an arc, but it's resolved well before the series ends.

Finally, we reach Katara. I don't think Katara really has much of a coherent arc in the series. In Book 1, it was all about her trying to become a master waterbender, but she achieves that by the end of the Book. After that, her character lacks clear direction. What's her story supposed to be about after that? Getting together with Aang? "Forgiving Zuko"? The daddy issues which show up for exactly one episode? The conflict with Toph which shows up for two? "Accepting that ordinary Fire Nation people are people too," even though she was always shown to be compassionate to ordinary Fire Nation people not actively engaged in genocide? The "mommy issues" which she often brings up but which are rarely taken seriously by the show, and are ultimately used to get her to forgive Zuko (two separate times!)? All of these seem completely unworthy of hanging her arc on, and I have to say, I don't think Katara has much of a coherent arc past Book 1.

If we had to order these characters in terms of coherence of arc from most to least, it would probably go something like: Aang, Zuko, Yue, Jet, Sokka, Katara, Azula, Mai, Ty Lee, Iroh, Toph, Suki.

[zuko-always-lies]

@seyaryminamoto you might like this.

[seyaryminamoto]

Very valid, I'd say in a case like Sokka's, the arc was a lot subtler because to me it's also about subtle development into finding peace with himself as he explores his possibilities in life. Book 1 Sokka is very bitter, way more sarcastic than later on, while Book 3 Sokka is more open-hearted, much more sincere… a little too unafraid of being goofy, which I admit I don't particularly love in every instance, but anyway. I'd say sometimes the arcs can be about something other than resolving a specific plot-point or personal conflict, and be about showing how this person grows from whoever they were at first.

Thing is, if you don't have either a clear character goal (such as how you analyzed them, which is the traditional concept of an arc), or a gradual vision of their transformation and change across time (stuff like bildungsroman, stories about the formative experience of a child becoming an adult, which is what I'd think Sokka's arc can be seen as), then you really can't say you have much of an arc. In my case, I tend to look at characters as they were in their first appearance and their last and wonder what changed in them, what aspects of this character are different from first to last appearance. If there's a noticeable difference, then there's an arc... but whether the arc was well executed or not (... Azula's...), is a matter that requires deeper analysis.

... In cases like Katara's, it's really hard to say the girl had an arc beyond becoming indeed a waterbending master. The way she gets speedran into mastery in the blink of an eye goes ignored by most of the fandom, she wasn't even training for three months before Pakku deems her one. Beyond this point, the story as good as tries to make her the glue of Team Avatar (or the mom...) and there's very little challenge in terms of development for Katara after that besides incidental conflicts that either are resolved too quickly to feel important or aren't resolved at all (... her mother's death. I'm really annoyed by seeing people act like she totally found closure for that, my god..).

Toph? Same thing, lesser scale. Suki? Less so, even. Mai, Ty Lee? Just so. Yue's definitely the one female character who had a purpose and that was to become the Moon Spirit... and die.

So. Not that this is what the post was about, but. Isn't it telling that the majority of the female characters simply ~don't~ have tangible, satisfactory, uplifting character arcs, while the male ones do? :')

Just something to chew on...

[mciorr]

I hate how the fandom doesn't aknowledge how Katara's bending development makes absolutely no sense, she was barely able to waterbend to catch a fish in calm waters in season 1 and in season 3 she learns how to bloodbend in one night? Yeah, sure. But well, this is the same fandom that thinks Zumo is a prodigy...

[ly0nstea]

I think an underrepresented cause of Ursa's neglect towards Azula is the reality of what happens if she doesn't become Ozai? Because what's really left for her without ruthless progression? She turns into Ursa, married to a man for (at best) political reasons and resigned to spend her whole life with a man she probably doesn't love having kids she never wanted while the people she knew excel in their positions and live better and more fulfilling lives. No matter how you chock it up, being a second born and a daughter sucks.

[samtamdan]

Even if it hurts, Azula got her best destiny now in the canon bc at least shes free of any expectation and she can do whatever she wants

[ly0nstea]

Which, as everyone knows, is girlkissing. Her favourite hobby

[mciorr]

Azula is canonically straight.

[elleargentlover]

tom felton saying he’s “not attuned” to JKR’s politics (despite the fact that she’s made it her entire personality) fucking loser.

we love you daniel, rupert, and emma!!!

[mciorr]

Daniel is the same who said he has a lot of fucking racist friends (his words) but he would never stop being their friend because racism is not something important.

Rupert changed his tune when there was the possibility of getting another Harry Potter book and he didn't want to piss of Rowling.

And Emma said she doesn't care if trans women are dangerous to women because she has never met anyone and she doesn't use public bathrooms so she doesn't care about other women's safety.

[emmawathson-deactivated20160417]

[travelingstrawberry]

This kiss okay. It wasn’t scripted. It was improvised, suggested by Dan and Bonnie agreed with it. Look how much desperation and longing and understanding they managed to put into a moment that wasn’t even scripted at all, because they understood their characters in that moment. Look how much better this kiss is compared to that weak ass scripted and scrappily directed first kiss in the Room of Requirements. 

Like I get that if you look at the movies, it would seem Dan and Bonnie don’t quite have the same kind of chemistry as Dan has with Emma, but this kiss shows me that Dan and Bonnie would have managed a convincing and decent portrayal of canon!Harry/Ginny if they were given the chance to explore their characters, were nurtured by a director and a writer who gave a rat’s ass about this couple, who cared to put some development into this relationship. 

And I don’t think Dan and Emma’s on-screen chemistry came magically out of nowhere either. They literally spent better parts of all their years from the time they were 10 and 9 together. In a script written by a blatant H/Hr shipper like Steve Kloves, helped later by Yates who seemed even more determined than any director before to push Ron into a corner. So of course Dan and Emma, and by extension Harry and Hermione in the movies will seem much more compatible. Dan literally had like two scenes with Bonnie from PS to GOF. OOTP, for a HP movie, did a okay-ish job of establishing Ginny as her own self, but then completely messed up Harry and Ginny’s bonding process in HBP. And then you wonder why their romance came out so lacklustre…

[mciorr]

Dan and Emma had no chemistry at all.

[blvnk-art]

What harry says:I’m ok

What harry wants to say: Ginny’s just the most beautiful soul I just want to hold her and kiss her but I cannot DO THIS BECAUSE I HAVE A DUTY AND MY FATE IS ON VOLDEMORT’S HAND AND SHE MIGHT DIE BECAUSE OF ME I should have asked her out SOONER way before Michael and Dean I honestly cannot deal with her hair it’s fucking glowing in the sun

[mangosmoothiebowl]

 # drarry 4ever 

[mciorr]

Don't bring that shit here.

[holytragedycat]

You know what I hate the most? People who say that Harry and Ginny are Freud's wet dream, or that it's weird that Harry liked Ginny because she looks like Lily, because the two literally have no physical or mental resemblance. Lily had short dark red hair, no freckles, green eyes and was pretty, Ginny has long flaming red hair, brown eyes, lots of freckles, probably a different complexion due to Quidditch and is more jaw-droppingly beautiful attracting Ravenclaw, Gryffindor, and Slytherin alike, I'm not saying that Lily wasn't beautiful, but it seems that what attracted most to her was her personality, as Slughorn describes it.

[mciorr]

Lily and Ginny look nothing alike but you're wrong with their descriptions, Lily is never called pretty, she's canonically average, and Ginny is never described with freckles, Harry always notes people's freckles even Cho's but he never described Ginny as freckled, that's a headcanon.