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there are some people who unironically believe that no one except wei wuxian and lan wangji got their “happy ending” and the rest of the cast (consisting majorly of antagonists and characters who had previously suffered no consequences for their actions) getting any degree of miserable conclusions is unfair. to which i must wonder... do they realise that for thirteen years before the second timeline began in full swing, these positions were completely reversed and wei wuxian literally died and lan wangji was faced with the most brutal punishment a member of the great sects could be faced with? that we were given a taste of what a “happy ending” could look like for characters like jin guangyao, lan xichen, jiang cheng and the fact that it blew up in flames demonstrates exactly how no one deserves a bump-free aftermath if it means their actions have gone unaddressed.
if our protagonist and deuteragonist were not spared consequences—truly “no good deed goes unpunished”—what makes people think that the characters who were the antagonists and on the fringes and allowed atrocities to occur should get a scot-free end? mind you, i still think alot of people get a mere slap on the wrist for the magnitude of harm they have caused but that is consistent with the themes of the gentry class receiving leniency in every aspect possible.
look, i get wanting your favourite characters to have “good” endings but just think for a second about what these characters have done and why their finish line in the story looks the way it does. what would the weight of mdzs’ narrative remain if after all the rotten actions of people in power were exposed, all the wilful negligence was brought to light, these characters were allowed to go back to normalcy and immediately find a way to enjoy life as if nothing was amiss? as if their actions were meant only to affect other people and never their ownselves? and even then, the thing to remember is that mdzs’ ending is just one point in time. much like the “ending” of the first timeline, things go on, life goes on and characters like jiang cheng and lan xichen won’t stagnate till eternity—they will move past their circumstances shown in the end of the novels, for better or for worse.
it’s not that wei wuxian and lan wangji get to enjoy their happy ending while the rest suffer because in actuality, they have paid the prices for their actions threefold, they have faced their consequences and why should they not get some morsel of happiness after everything they have endured? as wei wuxian rightfully asked the sect leaders—what more would you want from him? why should he not be allowed this more pleasant conclusion because some think his happiness is a slight against the antagonists’ “misery” and feel compelled to have them flattened to the same level to ignore acknowledging why they received the endings that they did?
This art turned out to be very difficuilt...Buuut I'm glad that I'm starting to use unusual "camera angles"
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"Xue Yang did all that to avenge his finger" is such a funny take, like. Did you listen to his story? Did you put yourself in the shoes of his 7yo self for ANY seconds at all?
Because lets recap: He was tricked, and used, and hungry, and beaten repeatedly, and treated as worthless and disposable, all by a man fully capable of paying him for his work. He was sent alone to deliver a taunt to a dangerous man. He was seven. He accepting the beating he received without complaint, and was further beaten for asking for the payment he'd been promised. He was whipped, and knocked in front of an ox cart.
Chang Ci'an didn't AIM the cart at his finger.
Chang Ci'an deliberately knocked a seven year old orphan child to the ground in front of an ox cart and ordered the driver to drive over the child.
And the driver did.
He manage to escape with ONLY one crushed finger (and, we can assume, many less permanent injuries). Crushing injuries are incredibly serious, and even one so small can be deadly. An orphaned child can't afford decent medical care. Adult Xue Yang has a SEVERED finger, which means that at best he managed to find a doctor who would amputate it for him, and at worst he cut it off himself. At age seven. Xue Yang is INSANELY lucky to have survived to age 8 after this incident.
This is why Xiao Xingchen's suggestion that Xue Yang should have merely cut off Chang Ci'an's finger, or hand, or arm, is so upsetting to Xue Yang. Yes, the revenge he did take was abhorrent and excessive, but Xingchen totally misses the point of the story (understandable in the moment, everything is happening SO MUCH at that point).
Xue Yang, at age seven, had done nothing wrong. He was a child, he was innocent, and he didn't deserve to be treated like his life was worthless by Chang Ci'an, or the cart driver, or the message recipient, or the restaurant owner, or every observer on the street who did nothing to help. And every person who tells him it's "just a finger" further treats the very real devaluing of and threat to his life as normal and fine.
If he, any time after age 7, had been able to exact revenge by cutting off Chang Ci'an's arm, there is nothing equivalent about that revenge. A severed arm is not a crushing injury, and is less likely to produce life-long chronic pain. Chang Ci'an would have good medical care-- a doctor, medicine, pain killers. His life would not meaningfully be in danger. Chang Ci'an had family (and money) to help him with whatever tasks being one-handed made difficult. Chang Ci'an was an adult, who's already lived a life without pain and disability, and who's prospects will not be impacted. Chang Ci'an was an ADULT and therefore better able to understand what was happening and why. And beyond all of that, Chang Ci'an would DESERVE IT.
To say that Xue Yang did everything he did to the Chang Clan in revenge over "losing his finger" is to betray an utter lack of willingness to empathize with Xue Yang. Even the 7yo version of him.
And he knows it. Which is why the suggestion is so upsetting.
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That little admission that anyone who defended Xie Lian after the collapse of the Heavenly Tower was beaten to death by hate-filled mobs reminds me of the throwaway line in mdzs about how anyone who said anything in favor of Wei Wuxian post-siege was silenced. It’s not that the “mob” in mxtx novels is truly a monolith where everyone revels in participating in evil uncritically; it’s that anyone who dares to go against the grain and publicly question the dominant position is violently suppressed. It’s not that there’s no Mianmian in tgcf’s vol. 2; it’s that every one of them was a nameless individual murdered in the name of baseless “retribution.”
i love the way wei wuxian and jin guangyao have no relationship at all. like you've got your hero and you've got your villain and they're highly complementary characters who wind up being instrumental in each other's downfalls, and also they met like, what, four times? with zero one on one conversations? jin guangyao barely even bothers to manipulate wei wuxian during the temple showdown and wei wuxian watches jin guangyao die with all the emotion of someone who just noticed a dent in their car and is wondering how it got there
Don't leave that in the tags lol
#they are foils they are opposed they are both instrumental to absolutely tearing the others life#but they did not ever have a crumb of a relationship whether positive or negative (tags from @littlegreenmp3)
they really said i got no beef with you to each other while making mince meat out of each other's life
This is really never more apparent than when a fanfic author is writing a canon AU where the situation doesn't quite line up to the original events, and the author is presented with the problem of trying to make Wei Wuxian care enough to foil whatever Jin Guangyao's scheme is
Thinking about how like at least 70% of the plot of MDZS wouldn't have happened if people stopped pushing Meng Yao down staircases
THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE CQL WEN RUOHAN AND MENG YAO DYNAMIC IS
so after Nie Mingjue is taken prisoner and incapacitated in Scorching Sun Palace, Wen Ruohan is content to just sit back, rest his eyes, and let Meng Yao taunt him a bit, even after the two of them start exchanging blows.
UNTIL THIS MOMENT, where Nie Mingjue (who has regained his strength) knocks Meng Yao to the floor and goes to strike him while he's down
and Meng Yao is genuinely terrified.
It cuts from Meng Yao's expression to Wen Ruohan opening his eyes
and drawing on the Yin Iron
in order to pull Nie Mingjue away from Meng Yao.
And from there on out, it's a battle between Wen Ruohan and Nie Mingjue (who, for the record, holds his own until he finally balls too hard and collapses)! Meng Yao is Wen Ruohan's special little guy and he is RESCUING HIM!
Bringing this back bc it occurred to me that the other two people who physically intervene to protect Meng Yao from an angry Nie Mingjue are Lan Xichen and Su Minshan, and
1.) Lan Xichen and Su Minshan would both hate that he’s in that club with them even more than they hate being in that club with each other!
2.) The thing they’d hate the very most is that arguably Wen Ruohan was the most effective at doing this, since he would’ve 100% put Nie Mingjue in the ground if Meng Yao hadn’t prevented it on purpose.
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Please feel free to share the petty reasons you think wangji would not like jgy because they sound hilarious
a) Lan Wangji is The Baby. Brother is paying Quite A Lot Of Attention to someone who is 1) not him 2) suspiciously younger-brother shaped 3) oh it's not like that well still
b) Jin Guangyao's whole thing is being polite and ingratiating in a way that most people find very pleasant but I think Wangji Would Not. do not try to make me like you. i already don't. you're just doing this to suck up to xichen.
c) he is not only a Jin (sus) he actively strove to become a Jin. he could have not had everyone know he was Jin Guangshan's son, and not had to spend time being with and showing respect for Jin Guangshan, but he did it, on purpose. filial piety is one thing but At What Cost.
d) learning lots of different techniques when you could just obsessively perfect and memorize one technique? i mean..... sure......... if that's what works for you.............
e) stop making small gestures for my comfort when i'm forced to exist in a social space in your presence i do not like you
several taggers have pointed out the key CQL addition of f) stop flirt-bowing in front of my salad
But when does Wei Wuxian write Lan Wangji a song. That’s the real question
DISCLAIMER I know lwj would never spit on someone or call them a slur BUT this exchange was otherwise too perfect not to use