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why is it that ive seen comparatively few (popular) female vegan youtubers. people i know irl have only recommended me guys to watch and i think the reason that theyre so popular is because women aren’t taken seriously…
it’s especially interesting considering the fact that the majority of vegans are women. Yet many of the faces of veganism are men…
many „fringe“ movements that go against the grain of society seem to appoint as their leaders the most privileged in standard society, (straight) white men.
It’s something that I’m hoping veganism will move away from, while still being able to grow
Hope it’s alright then if I share my channel as a certified woman vegan Youtuber lol. My videos cover a multitude of things relevant to veganism like ethics, epidemiology, logic, and debates:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsiv9H4A3mFKwMiuLXmjM-A
They also tend to have a pretty big emphasis on making things like philosophy and science accessible to people since I feel like many vegans would benefit a lot from that.
Person who’s on the same side of the argument as you, but also has the worst takes about it you’ve ever seen in your life
#yes yes we’ve all been on tumblr (via @mylordshesacactus)
Remember when the antivegans used to just admit they were lazy instead of doing all those mental gymnastics to pretend they're somehow promoting social justice
We really went from:
‘But I love meat lol’ #triggered
to:
‘Veganism is colonialism and me eating steak helps indigenous people somehow’ #activist #anticapitalism #directaction
like 99% of "men and women are soooo different!!!" comedy is literally just describing the experience of not understanding other people. like it's not that women never say what they mean talking to other people is just like that. it can be hard to understand what other people are thinking. bioessentialism really rots the brain
"women will say I'm fine and then not mean it" yeah that's something literally everybody does. is this your first time interacting with another human being my guy
this is one of the only funny responses on this hell of a post
are you FUCKING serious
Someone: but wool is warm so the only option is to exploit sheep
Tumblr: thank you!!! Really important point, read this info before considering v*ganism, my grandpa switched from wool jumpers to acrylic and he DIED (in a car accident)
“The fact we can sit down and eat a piece of chicken without thinking about the horrendous conditions under which chickens are bred is a sign of the dangers of capitalism. How capitalism has colonized our minds.”
— Angela Davis
On an Angela Davis quote…
I wonder if the anti vegans who bring up almond milk in their arguments also direct that anger at people who eat Bakewell tarts.
They go after vegans for agave existing instead of tequila companies so no I don’t think they’d go after bakewell consumers. Anti-vegans specifically don’t like vegans, they don’t actually care about the topics they use as arguments
What I’ve learned in my years of veganism is that people only give a shit about these issues when they’re talking to a vegan.
When was the last time you saw anyone make a post about the welfare or crop pickers that wasn’t in the context of defending meat eaters? There is one in the vegan tag every week. Yet have you have ever any non-vegan post about the welfare of slaughterhouse workers, some of the most exploited workers in the world? I have literally never seen it, not in nearly a decade of advocacy. These people weaponise social justice issues and feign concern only insofar as it lets them use serious global problems and other people’s suffering as a stick to beat vegans with.
Just uploaded a new video: Responding to a Carnivore PhD: Mike Archer/Crop Deaths, White & Hall study, Diana Rodgers/Sacred Cow
In this, I go over the Mike Archer paper (which is widely cited in favor of the idea that vegans kill more animals via crop deaths), the White and Hall study (which many people use to claim beef isn’t bad for the environment and that veganism results in nutrient deficiencies; it’s also the study that the “veganism only results in a 2.6% reduction in GHG emissions” comes from), and claims made by the creator of the Sacred Cow documentary, Diana Rodgers.
you know, being vegan on tumblr truly made me realize one thing like no other life experience or web space could have
any of those 50-100k notes posts i come across, leftist or otherwise aligning with what i believe in, can still be full of misinformation, poorly researched or downright deceptive. you'll follow someone who seems so much more socially aware and knowledgable than yourself, and in the spirit of awe, you'll just take their word for it without question or skepticism. you'll hear about injustice, prejudice, bigotry, feminism, equal rights and how to be a better person overall and just. take it as is. however, especially with veganism, you'll have all the Big Names suddenly toss their two cents in and getting everyone to yesman them with information, ethical propositions, tired strawmen and misrepresentations that are so easily rebuttable and falsified that it's PAINFULLY clear to me how little to zero prior research has been done on the topic to voice your opinion on it
the spirit of research has become truly lost on me at one point as well, and to an extent, it still is. i still have an overall blind trust in those i follow. that's how people work. but i believe in the long run, if i genuinely wish to view myself knowledgable and educated enough on a topic to have it align with my core values and engage into serious discussions even, i can't have all the info i need solely from a single post alone, or the circlejerk that can be this website. we're all still just a bunch of people trying to do, say and believe in the right things, but we have to do more than read headlines and pay lip service to things that sound about right to us
truly, none of us are immune to Dunning-Kruger
I relate to all of this, and personally veganism is the main thing that got me into research. And I don’t just mean reading articles from The Guardian. I mean deep-diving into epidemiology and other fields of research, and verifying any empirical claim that comes out of my mouth before I actually say it whilst also acknowledging that even then I can still be wrong (I mean hey, sometimes it’s impossible to identify methodology errors without pretty comprehensive domain knowledge of whatever study you’re reading). Like you pointed out, watching people speak out against veganism has taught me so much about how easily misinformation spreads, how easily people fall for it, and how even researchers/scientists - who we would assume know what they’re talking about - will take advantage of people’s scientific illiteracy to conduct bad studies in order to push an agenda. And to be clear, I don’t mean that in a Q-Anon “COVID is fake” kinda way.
I’m referring to instances like the White and Hall study which people widely cite as “evidence” animal agriculture isn’t that bad for the environment because veganism only results in a 2.6% reduction in GHG emissions. But when you actually read the study and pay attention to the model they’re proposing, they got this number by assuming we would continue growing animal feed AND additional crops on the space freed up by the absence of animals, resulting in us eating about 5,000 calories of almost exclusively corn and grain, lol. I’m working on a video about this now, but Gil Carvalho has a great one on it here for anyone interested. Like, that kinda shit is so disgusting. They KNOW that 99% of the population won’t look beyond the headlines or MAYBE the abstract if they even bother to click on the study at all.
And I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the first author - Robin White - works for the department of animal and poultry sciences at Virginia Tech which, according to their website, “strives to improve the performance, efficiency, and profitability of animal production.” And I’m sure it’s just another silly coincidence that the second author - Mary Hall - works for the US Dairy Forage Research Center.
Anyway, OP: I am very sorry this turned into another one of my rants about this study, but yeah you’re awesome and what you’re saying is totally true.
I typed out a response to one of the posts by the vegan-recently-turned-Radfem on here and I’ve been sitting on it for ~3 weeks but haven’t posted it because I don’t feel like potentially having 30 TERFs in my notifications every day with uterus profile pictures yelling about it’s vaginas that make you a woman and accusing me of having internalized misogyny or whatever for allying myself with my trans sisters.
I hate feeling like I have something productive to add to the discourse but not having the energy to actually deal with the discourse.
A bird explaining to a hedgehog crossing so it doesn’t die.
!!! ok but that’s legitimately what it’s doing!! That’s a corvid right there (looks like a hooded crow, to be precise), which means it’s intelligent enough to recognize, a) cars are dangerous and streets should be treated with a certain degree of caution, b) this car’s slowing down for them–cars do that sometimes–which means they’re not in imminent danger, so it doesn’t have to fly away just yet, c) that hedgehog’s still gonna get killed if it doesn’t MOVE, FAST (cars can change speed very quickly and the hedgehog’s still in the way), and almost certainly also d) if the bird does nothing it gets a free lunch.
Y’all, Y’ALL. This bird is consciously deciding to put itself in danger in order to save the life of a very stupid creature. A creature which, if the bird did nothing, could be free food.
i can’t - look if you follow me you know I have a thing for corvids, but this is - like!!! People are always saying “ah yes they have sub-human intelligence and don’t consider anything that isn’t immediately necessary for their own survival/pleasure,” but! Whether or not it can do philosophy, this crow is clearly demonstrating compassion. Even if it’s just the kind of compassion a toddler shows to a snail, a social creature that instinctively recognizes the potential for emotion in other beings, that’s still huge and cool and important and corvids!!! are! neat!!!
If every animal started speaking our languages, the world would probably collectively go vegetarian.
Yeah apparently them actually screaming isn’t enough for people, they’ve gotta say “please don’t kill me” in ENGLISH for you fuckers to care, is that about right?
Yeah it turns out that animals are pretty fucking clear when expressing the fact that they’re suffering. It’s not that we don’t understand them, it’s that we don’t want to.
I submit to you that the most iconic feature of any animal is either unlikely or impossible to fossilize.
If all we had of wolves were their bones we would never guess that they howl.
If all we had of elephants were fossils with no living related species, we might infer some kind of proboscis but we'd never come up with those ears.
If all we had of chickens were bones, we wouldn't know about their combs and wattles, or that roosters crow.
We wouldn't know that lions have manes, or that zebras have stripes, or that peacocks have trains, that howler monkeys yell, that cats purr, that deer shed the velvet from their antlers, that caterpillars become butterflies, that spiders make webs, that chickadees say their name, that Canada geese are assholes, that orangutans are ginger, that dolphins echolocate, or that squid even existed.
My point here is that we don't know anything about dinosaurs. If we saw one we would not recognize it. As my evidence I submit the above, along with the fact that it took us two centuries to realize they'd been all around us the whole time.
So that people don’t need to go through the notes:
- We have fossils of spider webs
- Paleontologists have reconstructed the larynx (voice box) of extinct animals and we have a pretty good idea what vocalizations they were capable of
- Fossilized pigments have been found in a variety of taxa
- Soft tissues fossilize more often than you think; we have skin impressions for like 90% of Tyrannosaurus rex’s full body (shoulder blades and neck are the only bits missing)
If pop culture is your only window into extinct animals, then you do not remotely understand how much we know.
We know the entire lifecycle of a tyrannosaurus. We know from the sheer amount of remains we have, from every stange.
We know roughly how they sounded (as the person above me said).
We know they had remarkable vision.
We know they had the second. strongest sense of smell in history.
We know from their bones that they grew to a certain size and stayed there until about 14 or so, then absolutely ballooned up to their adult size in about three or four years.
We know they likely lived in family groups, because we have bones with certainly fatal injuries for a solitary animal (broken legs and such) that are completely healed.
We know exactly how other dinosaurs look, down to colors and patterns, because bones are not the only information that is preserved.
The Sinosauropteryx is one such dinosaur. Because pigmentation molecules were preserved in the feather impressions, we know it's colors, and it's tail rings (which one would argue would be it's "iconic feature."
(Art credit Julio Lacerda)
Microraptor is another! We know from feather impressions that it had four wings. We know from pigmentation that it was an iredecent black, like a raven.
(Art credit Vitor Silva)
This is not limited to dinosaurs, or feathers. We've found pigmentation in scales and skin. We've completely reconstructed two extinct penguins, colors and all. We've figured out the colors of some non-avian and non-feathered dinosaurs. We can identify evidence of feathers existing on animals without feather impressions.
We have feathered dinosaurs preserved in amber.
We can defer likely behavioral patterns through adaptations we see in bones, and from the environments they were found in. We can see how certain movements evolved through musculature attachments (yes, how muscles attached is often preserved). We know avian flight likely evolved by "accident" by the way early raptorforms moved their arms to strike at their prey.
We also understand behavior in extant animals and can easily speculate likely behaviors in extinct animals. (A predator running for it's life is not going to exhibit hunting behaviors)
We learn and understand way more from "rocks" than paleontologists are given credit for. And if you watch a movie like Jurassic World, which has no interest in portraying anything with any sort of accuracy, and your take away is "We can't possibly know anything about these animals," then you don't understand science.
As for shrinkwrapped reconstructions, we understand how muscles attach, and how fat works. Artists who lean into shrinkwrapping are are not generally concerned with scientific accuracy, or biology. They're only concerned with Awesombro.
If true paleoartists tried to reconstruct a hippo, while they naturally would not get every bit correct, it would certainly look like a real animal, and not that alien monster that tumblr is so fond of using as "proof" that paleontologists don't know anything (an art piece that itself was extreme and satirical, and a condemnation of the particular subset of paleoartists I mentioned earlier)
Every time paleoblr tries to show you how extinct animals actually looked, all we get is a chorus of "thanks i hate it" and "stop ruining dinosaurs!"
Loosing my shit at the knowledge that T-rexes nursed their loved ones back to health
@lusus--naturae
it's jeff! infinity comic #8