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can anyone who sees dean as abusive to sam explain to me why they think that? i have always been curious about what people had to say about this
I can, yes. It's because it's true.
I know that sounds snarky, but I'm being 100% sincere here. It's so incredibly obviously, concretely true that Dean is abusive to Sam (and Jack, but that's another post) that tbqh I struggle a lot with how people can think Dean's not abusive. He hits Sam in anger, and he hits Sam to punish him for behavior he disapproves of. That's abuse. There really, truly doesn't need to be anything more to it than that. We've come to a (good! much needed!) place in society where we understand that it's harmful for adults to hit other adults, they shouldn't do so (except in some very limited specific circumstances), and if they do and the person they hit is their family member, the name we call that behavior is 'abuse'.
There are other ways in which Dean and Sam's relationship is typical of one in which one family member has a pattern of abusive behavior towards another that you might see Sam fans talk about too (for example, he's very controlling towards Sam, he's verbally very cruel to Sam at times and wears down his self-esteem to get him to do what he wants, etc). But while all of those things can be parts of an abusive relationship, in the context of discussing Sam and Dean particularly, there is always the background--whether a particular OP brings it up or not--that Dean has a longstanding pattern of physical violence against Sam that starts in 1.01 and continues straight through the show to 15.17.
I think because abuse is still minimized in real life, people have misconceptions that someone can only be abusive if they are a bad person or don't truly love their partner, or are trying to be cruel on purpose. But this isn't the case. Good coping and conflict management are learned skills that many people never get taught, and often abuse is just a pattern of behavior that is the best the abusive person knows how to manage in their circumstances.
If you can stand to watch a 69 minute-long, possibly somewhat dry professional lecture, this video does an excellent job of outlining the difference between what people misunderstand domestic violence/intimate partner violence to be versus what professionals in the field define it as.
Or if that's too ambitious, WomensLaw.org has great information on what legally constitutes abuse in each state in the US (look under the 'restraining orders' section for whichever state you might be curious about).
Kansas, for example:
(Cut lips, bruises, etc, are "bodily injury" for statutory purposes. This essentially means any physical act of violence that does or could leave a mark)
Yeah, Sam knows that Dean can be wrong, and is perfectly willing to call Dean out when he thinks Dean's making a mistake, but on the deepest level where a person's core characteristics are, he has unshakable faith in Dean and Dean's character. I think--and I'll try to be clear here what is a consensus professional health care provider opinion and what is my own opinion as a person who loves a particular work of fiction--that this is in part because Sam is crazy (consensus health care) and in part because spn has a spiritual/mythic underpinning that matches poorly with current beliefs about how people should and do act when family members are very imperfect irl (personal opinion about work of fiction).
I would say, for example, that Sam isn't afraid of Dean even in 10.23 when he's kneeling in front of Dean waiting to be killed. This is, realistically, in my experience... well, impossible is too strong a word. In 25 years of nursing I have met maybe two or three people who were in imminent danger of death (by any cause, not just violence), not medicated, and not at all afraid. But highly unusual. And I think that particular disjuncture between real life and 10.23 is because 10.23 is meant to be a mythic portrayal of unconditional love and faith. The particulars aren't what is meant to matter, it's the feeling itself--the love and faith--that is what the creators were trying to portray.
And I think, between adults, if you ignore the imminent fear of death part, this kind of mostly-fearless unconditional love for a family member who is harmful or even potentially quite dangerous is actually very common. Usually it's because the harmful/dangerous family member is cognitively impaired; maybe they have Alzheimer's or are an adult child with a severe developmental disorder. I had one patient, for example, who during the domestic violence section of the admission assessment said that he was worried his violent, adult, developmentally disabled son was strong enough that he (the son) would kill him (the patient) someday, but he had searched extensively for placement and there wasn't anything available in his price range that didn't suck, so he'd take his chances. And what can you say in that situation? It's a tragic but rational decision and not my place to pretend I can fix it, when really I can't.
And even though Dean isn't cognitively impaired (usually) and is theoretically responsible for his actions (usually--but you'll notice he was impaired in 10.23, and vice versa in Levee), I think it's this kind of tragic situation that the creators of spn meant to portray. Sam and Dean's situation is so bad that it's unfixable on a concrete level, and the best that can be done to "fix" anything given the horrible circumstances is just keep loving each other. Life is, on a more mundane level, often like that, and one of the most profoundly beautiful aspects of art is how it lets us share through symbolism this aspect of life; that we get hurt and hurt others and can still love each other, hopefully ourselves, and the world.
So that's my primary take on the matter.
But!
There are also some elements of spn that lend themselves uncomfortably well to the atticwife reading, and it's the largeness of those elements in some fans' minds (including, to some extent, my own) that I think results in the atticwife reading becoming increasingly popular, especially after the finale.
My own favorite encapsulation of the atticwife reading is this:
I can't link to the original because OP deactivated, but here's a link to my reblog.
It's been a long time since I've read The Yellow Wallpaper, so I could be remembering this part wrong, but I don't recall the protagonist, who is one of the og literary atticwives, being afraid of her husband. I don't think that's a necessary part of the trope, and I don't think it's primarily what Sam fans who are on the more atticwifey side of the reading spectrum are primarily interested in.
In case you haven't read it, The Yellow Wallpaper is a partially autobiographical story about a 19th century woman who gets postpartum depression mild "hysteria", is confined to a single room by her husband for a "rest cure", and slowly becomes psychotic and hallucinatory because solitary confinement is torture. Levee is very Yellow Wallpaper-y, and because of Levee, we have essentially irrefutable proof that Dean canonically *would* atticwife Sam. He did that in canon in Levee.
The fact that arguably the panic room detox was intended to be read as both necessary and in Sam's best interests doesn't negate the reading--if anything, it makes it more powerful, because, as anything but id fodder, that's a wildly regressive, way too on the nose, 19th century depiction of how a caring person might ever treat someone they love for mental illness/addiction, so if it's not The Yellow Wallpaper in modern clothing, then wtf is it doing there?? What is it accomplishing as a story if it's meant to be not that?
And the fact that Sam later comes to accept the version of the story in which Dean did the only thing he could have and saved Sam from himself in Levee, while Sam also over the years becomes in general quieter, more hesitant, more willing to accept Dean's violence as not Dean's fault and something to just be accepted about him, also really plays into this Stockholm Syndrome-ish reading.
To be clear, I'm big, big not a fan of Stockholm Syndrome, as originally formulated, as a reading for anything. It's fake and was made up by a cop to cover up for the fact that a particular group of hostages thought their captors were less bad than the police that rescued them were. I don't think love and compassion are weaknesses; I think they are strengths. And I don't think Sam is afraid of Dean, while Stockholm Syndrome as a "diagnosis" does assume an element of extreme helplessness and fear. But I do think Sam in the later seasons is crazy. Like, clinically, very symptomatic from PTSD crazy (per medical consensus diagnostic criteria), and also somewhat brainwashed; mostly by Lucifer and by life but also unintentionally some by Dean (personal opinion about a story).
A sane person would be afraid of Dean (a sane person would also be afraid of Sam, but that's another post). A sane person who wasn't, to some extent at least, the stereotype of a battered spouse wouldn't explain Dean's death threats to Jack by saying "the wires in his head get crossed, and he gets frustrated". He wouldn't let Dean convince him into facilitating the Jack in the Box drama coffin plan, because it's not only unethical and cruel, it's also just fucking stupid (the box is for an archangel. is Jack an archangel?).
I feel quite strongly that, just as Dean's final character arc is learning that his anger is based in fear of loss and starting to try to deal with that, Sam's final character arc is learning to stand up to Dean's violence on behalf of their child(-like ward). I think this is the intended reading of the Dabb years, and it does kind of presume some battered wife syndrome elements, even if fear is not one of them.
For me, I don't think there's any one right answer to this. It's a story, so different people will find different uses for it, and I think that's fine. You can use it as sexy id fodder (a lot of atticwife headcanons are this, I think. Mine certainly are). You can use it to process your own family crap (a lot of angry Sam OPs are doing this). You can use it for angst feels. You can try and figure out how to fix it (I love to do this!) Or you can do your best to ignore it and focus on other elements of the story that you prefer. The only way people handle it that I find objectionable personally is writing meta denying that it exists.
when I talk about patriarch!Dean and atticwife!Sam I am not talking about abusive!Dean and victim!Sam (unless I’m talking in broad generalizations about fandom’s interpretations). I’m not talking about the characters’ interpersonal dynamics.
What I’m talking about when I say patriarch!Dean is Dean-as-legitimate-authority, Dean’s-perspective-presented-as-fact, Dean’s-worldview-predicting-outcomes.
When I say atticwife!Sam I don’t mean submissive or abused. I mean punished-for-stepping-out-of-his-role. Specifically, I mean punished with cosmic consequences (as opposed to punished by someone) for disobeying the patriarch, for asserting agency, for engaging in deviant sexuality. I mean being blamed for negative consequences from actions that would be excused and consequences that would inspire sympathy if the atticwife were instead a patriarch.
When I talk about patriarch!Dean and atticwife!Sam I am not at all talking about them as people or about their relationship. I’m not talking about their sexual dynamics.
I feel like it’s really important to be clear about this, because it’s really easy to elide the distinctions between patriarch![character] (which is a statement about how a character is situated within and treated by the narrative) and abusive![character] (which is a statement about how the character treats another) and eliding those differences leads to a lot of miscommunication
You try to talk about the abuse older siblings will inflict upon the younger siblings and suddenly here comes all the eldest siblings of the general public whining and crying and justifying being a sack of shit. Hit dogs holler the loudest I guess.
it is weird having lovely, kind parents who DO love you while suffering from abuse by a sibling.
Like to a degree they know what’s going on they’re sympathetic towards you and try to offer you comfort but like. They won’t do anything about it.
I feel angry and helpless. Sometimes I hate them more than I hate her.
I’m sexually repressed neurotic and I’m never going to have a normal relationship with my body. Even when I’m able to move out after school she’ll still be there. In every part of my body and brain she’s fucked up in some way. And of course if I ever want to visit mum & dad I’ll have to see her, be near her.
I used to beg them to get her sectioned, take her away from me. mum would just cry and say she’s sorry. All I could think was ‘if you’re really sorry then why wont you do anything? Why wont you stop her??’ It’s not fair to ask someone to do that to their child though. I understand why she wouldn’t. That doesn’t stop me from hating her for it sometimes though.
This is quite honestly one of the bravest things I have ever seen:
I thought the same thing.
Dean is literally looming over him and said “If you answer that, so help me….” and he does it anyway.
It’s not only because Sam is brave. Sam trusts that Dean won’t hurt him. Even with the Mark, deep down I honestly think Sam doesn’t think Dean would ever hurt him.
That’s why he answered anyway. Cause Sam still trusts his older brother not to hurt him.
OK, I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to strongly disagree with you here. Sam certainly has some blind spots when it comes to Dean (I won’t get into how these mostly relate to Dean’s treatment of him here), but expectation of physical (or otherwise) violence from Dean I don not think is one of them.
It is a complete and utter fanon fallocy to say that Dean doesn’t or wouldn’t ‘hurt’ Sam. We have seasons worth of evidence that Dean is more than willing and able to lash out physically (and verbally and emotionally) at Sam when he is angry or ‘frustrated’ with him usually when Sam has committed what Dean views as a transgression against him. The examples below are all without the Mark.
Here are two examples from S2 and S4 respectively:
S2: Bloodlust - Sam calls Dean on his lack of coping with their father’s death and pushes him on him trying to use Gordon as a ‘substitute’ for John. Dean’s reaction is to punch Sam, because he’s angry and to shut him up.
S4: Metamorphasis - Dean finds out about Sam using his powers to exorcise demons, which Dean is angry about, once again his reaction is to hit Sam, not once but twice. I’m including all five gifs here, including Sam’s reactions because I will discuss these later:
Ok, so there are a couple of important things to note about both of these instances and how they form part of a pattern in the way Dean hits Sam/Sam’s expectations with regards to being hit.
A very clear similarity in both scenes is that immediately before punching Sam, Dean turns away, as if he is going to walk off, therefore the attack comes on a Sam who is physically unprepared for the blow, this is pretty evident in the way that Sam’s head is snapped violently back in both scenes, Dean is hitting him at full force and Sam’s body is offering no resistance.
The next similarity is with regards to how Sam reacts immediately after being punched, I unfortunately don’t have the gif for Bloodlust, but as we can see here from the transcript, he says:
You hit me all you want. It won’t change anything.
In both Bloodlust and Metamorphosis, it is pretty clear that Sam, whilst perhaps physically unprepared for the onslaught is mentally and emotionally expectant of it. “You satisfied?” in particular, paints an image that this is a reaction Sam has come to expect of Dean when he is angry with him, that it is an established pattern than Dean takes out his anger on Sam in such situations and that Sam accepts this as the norm. It’s also worth noting that since Sam has an incredibly similar reaction in Bloodlust, which is the first time (on screen) that we see Dean punch Sam like this (although not the first time he has enacted physical violence of another kind), it is strongly suggestive that this is a pattern that stretches back to before Sam left of Stanford. Whether the punches at that point were given out by John or Dean we don’t know, but Sam clearly expects physical punishment for angering Dean in both of these scenes.
I think it’s also worth making an important point that, although Sam ‘accepts’ the hits in both cases, leading many to claim that he “can take it” - that even if we ignore the complete grossness of that as a statement, that Sam is, in fact, not without physical injury in both Bloodlust and Metamorphosis we see Sam physically recoil back and bring his hand to his bleeding face. To suggest that because Sam does not show obvious outward signs of physical or mental distress from the attacks means that he is immune to hurt from such is abuse apology and victim blaming at its finest.
Another instance of Dean dolling out punches when angry with Sam can be seen in The Girl Next Door:
I could not care less if the show tries to play this off as humorous, it’s not. Again Sam’s reaction to this punch is merely to reach for the nearest cold object to put against his eye, once again, Sam displays that he has been socialized into expecting and accepting this behavior as coming along with Dean being angry at him.
Although I guess we don’t know for absolute certain is Sam remembers this particular incident (but I’m pretty such he does possess all his memories as Soulless Sam), it should certainly demonstrate to us as a fandom, what a fallacy it is to say that Dean would never hurt Sam.
The brutal beating that Dean enacts on Sam in this episode involves him punching Sam no less than 18 times and into complete unconsciousness. Also worth making very, very clear that Dean had NO idea what was wrong at this point and that Sam had in fact just asked him for help.
Sometimes Dean doesn’t even have to be angry at Sam himself, in order to lash out with physical violence. At the end of Born Under a Bad Sign, we see Dean punch Sam because he was angry at MEG who had been possessing Sam. Dean literally uses Sam’s body as a punching bag for his frustrations with absolutely no ‘provocation’ from Sam himself, his body is being punished for another’s actions.
Lastly and not least, let’s just remember that Dean has punched Sam before with the Mark too, ostensibly with the aim of ‘protecting’ Sam, however I can personally say that mine and Dean’s mileage vary considerably in the interpretation of the word ‘protection’!
The only instances in which Sam seems even mildly surprised by Dean’s physical abuse are in ‘Born Under a Bad Sign’ and ‘Do You Believe in Miracles’ in both cases this is because they fall outside the normal transgression/punishment dynamic and are therefore harder for Sam to predict as possibilities.
All the above, strongly demonstrate that there is EVERY reason for Sam to believe that Dean might physically hurt him in the scene in question in Dark Dynasty, especially as it would fit into the expected and largely predictable pattern of transgression/punishment. In fact the scene bares strong similarities to that in Metamorphosis, wherein Sam was hit twice in a row, in terms of Sam being interrogated for having ‘lied’ or ‘kept something’ from Dean. And remember, Metamorphosis (and every single other example bar one) happened LONG before Dean acquired the MoC.
What I’ve covered above is just physical hurt that Sam might expect from Dean, this does not cover all the times Dean has lashed out verbally or with an emotional attack against Sam, which fall into an equally, if not more, frequent pattern, even if Sam didn’t think Dean might physically hurt him he had plenty of reasons to believe he might have done so in other ways.
exactly 💯 💯 💯…. bravo on listing all of dea s “beatings” of sam so clearly n it’s analysis - spot on imo…. Dean is abusive n violent well before the moc - remember what chuck said?:
a few weeks ago my queen @sputnikan recommended me Our Share of Night by Mariana Enriquez saying “it reads like a star wars fanfic” and not only was she right but the book itself destroyed me into pieces and what a better way to get the brainrot out of me by drawing a bunch of scenes but with these space mfs. anyways if you enjoy paranormal shit, horror stuff and messed up father/son relationships please read that book
my svsss comic about sqq and his little personality split (what if)
Me and my boyfriend Darth Vader 🥰 ❤️
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Oh em gee this is so evil #loveislove #isupporther #lovleyladies #darthvaderisawomannmaybe???
I don't care what's under the suit.
if he's a girl he'd be too mutilated for me to tell the difference and either way I wouldn't mind.
thoughts on madk (spoilers!)
the tension that winds through madk is that demons both require their names to be spoken in order to continue to exist, and hide their names from others so that they can't be controlled
makoto reaches the conclusion that he will be able to speak j's name once he isn't "unnerved" - demons and their names are all a metaphor for hierarchies.
j is powerful bc hes entirely isolated himself so far. nothing can be used against him, and no one knows who he truly is. all the demons in madk aspire to be j (makoto) or consider him their benefactor (makoto, fjord, datenshou)—and then there's kieran, who does still feel a complicated kind of affection for j viz. he still remembers j as a child, and can tailor his appearance exactly to resemble j after centuries.
everyone who aspires to/associates with the world of initialed demons (whose pinnacle is represented by j) gives up more and more "humanity" to belong to that world. datenshou and shax can only carve out a life away from the hierarchy; they give up any chance of associating with the world of initialed demons to live in the slums. it's impossible to pursue genuine love and affection while you exist in a system that's built on exploiting others and showcasing your own supremacy.
ultimately, makoto supersedes j. everyone who survives forgets their hate. initially in vol. 1, makoto says he wanted to destroy j out of revenge. j fulfills his desires and makoto falls in love with him; but at the same time j toys with makoto's autonomy and makes it clear that they're on different levels. j quite literally sticks makoto's severed head onto a dog—it can't be any clearer that altho j has fondness for makoto, at this point he still sees him as nothing but a pet
so by vol. 3, makoto finally confronts j while he's assured of his own superiority. now he thinks—i wanted your respect. how can anyone really love something inferior to them? true love is a thing that can only occur between equals. but in madk's demon hierarchies, there are only superiors and inferiors. falling in love is fatal for a demon, and renders them at the mercy of the one they fall (quite literally, in rank) for.
the ending comes full circle. makoto is now in j's place. he stands at the pinnacle of hell, yet he is no one. no one can speak his name. fjord is the only tether who still remembers "makoto" the human boy j took in. to everyone else, he's m, the archduke. makoto has survived, and now he's forgotten his hate. the only thing he has left is emptiness - he used up all of himself in reaching j, striving to earn his respect. everything he became was in service of j, and now that there is no j, there is no makoto either. you can't exist in this state of suspended animation, no matter how invincible it makes you. if no one can speak your name, no one can hurt you; but that means no one can touch you either. so makoto continues the cycle, searching for someone he can groom into his equal, and subsequently his superior, and destroy him.
madk doesn't try to portray demons as entirely foreign to humans; in fact demons are more powerful the more human they look. madk's demons are raw human urges distilled - they do long for intimacy, but while existing in a hierarchy, they can only obtain that intimacy thru violence. madk's about eroguro yaoi but it's also such a raw look at power dynamics in relationships - someone can save you, but do they actually see you as an equal? what will it take to earn their respect? when you are fully understood, you are also completely vulnerable - and in madk that single moment of vulnerability is both what everyone wants inside & also fatal to demons.
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A patron requested roleswap Hannibal and Will, specifically the sniffing scene =w= Also submitting this for @hannibalcreative‘s current theme, In Your Skin~
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I tried to imagine what Will would wear if he had millions (billions?) of dollars in multiple bank accounts and I decided maybe he’d still dress in expensive clothes but really boring XD Meanwhile Hannibal dresses in cheap clothes but still tries to be more fashionable, and spends 3 months of his salary on fancy aftershave XDD Also he invests a lot of his time into things like this: https://www.gq.com/story/tailoring-tricks-for-cheap-suits He probably wouldn’t have had the chance to develop the same hobbies of drawing and music but maybe he’s really good at doing his own tailoring :3
It’s interesting to imagine the change in dynamic based on their clothes… In canon Will probably had trouble getting over the hurdle of Hannibal’s clothing/wealth because a kid who grew up broke would probably not have a lot of respect for people who blow tens of thousands of dollars on an outfit. I could see Hannibal, in Will’s place, disrespecting Will because he can easily afford the things Hannibal wants but chooses to dress down all the time. Meanwhile Will looks at Hannibal’s cheap clothes the same way Hannibal looks at Will in canon and is like “I wanna dress you in the nice shit, baby, come murder with me.”