I learned a lot today from Obviously Queer’s video essay “FEMME: Lesbian History, Identity, Politics and Invisibility” and femmebis’ “The “Lesbian-Only Term” Myth: A Comprehensive Historical Essay on ‘Butch’ and ‘Femme’ ”.
"modern phenomenon by younger folks" and op is 25... western gays will swallow any shit if you say that older gays believe that 💀 also no, butch and femme doesn't really mean shit outside of western gay communities why would you say it does idiot. when was the last time you talked to a non chronically online gay person outside of US.
I’m confused. I’m not from the US. I live in South Asia and I’m brown and Muslim. We absolutely have plenty of prominently visible butchfemme here in underground queer communities, though language used for that can obviously vary. Are you American? Wherever you may be from, I wouldn’t recommend making generalised assumptions about places you haven’t been or people you don’t know enough about. Western sapphics didn’t invent lesbian gendernonconformity and dynamics (it’s kinda racist to believe they did tbh) and it’s just a fact that the terms were initially made important to queer community by BIPOC. Regardless of what my personal age is, it’s the simple reality that Twitter and Tiktok weren’t a thing until recently (neither was the bisexual label if we’re thinking long term) so there were simply fewer ways for elder queers to come across or spread misinformation, though intracommunity tensions have perpetually more or less existed. My sources aren’t random word of mouth (that is literally what I’m condemning actually), there’s lots of archived material, records and research. History is always relevant to learn something from—specific cultures we got right and wrong, and where certain communities deserve credit, respect, or accountability. I don’t understand your vitriol. You could have approached this with curiousity instead if you find it hard to believe.
