NitPickingFan

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[huntypastellance]

I think ladyloveandjustice was a contributor to The Mary Sue pop culture site. Journalism is so terrible nowadays.

Wow, really? Dang, you’d think someone who’s interested in reporting would be less biased, spend more time finding the truth & care about the facts!

- quote by Lord Pastel Lance, the person who has the LEAST amount of right to say this.

[nitpickingfan]

I mean its the Mary Sue.  They make yellow journalists looks like they work for the New York Times.  Their whole gig is insane troll logic meet social justice.

[sandysmoved]

Dear people who ship taboo relationships

Such as in///cest and ped///ophilia

Do NOT harm yourself. That doesn’t help, and asking you to do so doesn’t help.

Instead? Tell your parents. Tell your family, tell your friends, your teachers, your employers, EVERYONE you know and interact with, that you support and even romanticize abusive content. Tell them that you think it’s harmless.

Well?

We’re waiting.

[who-gives-a-ship]

I do tell a lot of people. My mom, for example. She’s a writer too and she knows that I enjoy writing dark stories. I said people were mad at me on the internet over a ship and she immediately guessed which (very problematic) ship it was and was shocked that people had told me to die over something so ridiculous. I recently told my therapist that I write and enjoy darkfic sometimes, specifically mentioning the sort of sexual content they involve. His first impulse was to worry that I might feel guilty about my harmless interest. I told my previous therapist that I get off to violent fictional media and she said it was fine because she knew I’d never hurt a fly in real life. I’ve told my coworkers about the sort of movies I like (horror) and they didn’t care at all. Turns out people who work at libraries know how fiction works. My childhood best friend has known I’m a sadist for as long as I can remember and it never seemed to bother her. I still have a reputation as a very polite and helpful person, and my friends feel comfortable telling me secrets and asking for advice.

You know what always shocks people? When I tell them about the hate I’ve recieved online for my ships. My mom regularly says she’s proud of me for standing up for myself and others online, and my therapist considers it a very positive act. I don’t tell EVERYONE I interact with about my problematic ships (hi I’d like a number 1 combo with cheese also I think Thor and Loki should kiss), but I don’t hide it at all. The worst I’ve ever gotten is people being mildly surprised that someone as silly and positive as me loves horror.

[vethica]

Tell your family, tell your friends, your teachers, your employers, EVERYONE you know and interact with

“and that’s all 300 pairs of fictional characters I want to kiss each other. any questions?”

“ma’am this is a wal-mart”

[rshathul-deactivated20211207]

Told my mom I wanted to rip open kylo rens abdominal cavity and she just shrugged so op idk what you’re expecting to happen here

[vastderp]

“Hey young people, i want you to initiate sexually explicit conversations with lots of grown ups you barely know”

NICE TRY JARED FROM SUBWAY

[nitpickingfan]

My mother literally proofread one of my fanfictions that she dubbed, and I quote, "Gay Torture Porn". OP, most people don't give a shit what you like in fiction.

[sangled]

general techniques to avoid gross shipping of your characters

have most characters be non-minors, around the same age range. this is mostly to minimize underage nonsense.

while family relationships are important, save them as background elements, explored every now and then. focus mainly on the bonds of non-related characters and how their different backgrounds play off each other.

limit the overly edgy tone, where pain and suffering are near-romanticized. try to emphasize wholesomeness, health, and the various ways characters can have good relationships despite their differences. a lot of nintendo franchises are good examples.

avoid creating significant characters who are utterly irredeemable with harmful ethics. (for me personally, i limit elements such as abuse and discrimination for background conflicts while presenting more interesting, morally gray arguments, where either side is right/flawed) if you’re going to have a villain, either make them team rocket goofy or classic disney fun.

just. try not to have characters + relationships rely on racial tropes. if you overly rely on a tough dark-skinned / dainty light-skinned formula, you’re going to see some racist shipping. mix it up. round ‘em out.

same goes for gendered tropes. if a dude is downright violent and irresponsible and a level-headed girl has to put up with his flaws without him facing consequence, that’s a downright unbalanced relationship. and do keep in mind that if two boys utterly despise each other, people will absolutely take that a certain way. again, with #3, try to play off disdain as comedic or with exception rather than constant seething hatred.

obviously these aren’t hard and fast rules, and what/how you create will vary. but it’s how i generally approach my work

[fission-mailure]

I am legitimately amazed that tumblr’s weird obsession with Never Have Anything Unwholesome writing advice has now reached the point of:

– Don’t have children in your work,

– Don’t have families in your work.

– Don’t have any themes or ideas darker than Nintendo, because that’s romanticising suffering.

– Don’t have villains unless they’re in the relatively simplistic, child-friendly mould of Disney or Pokemon, and don’t try to deal with any difficult themes.

– Don’t have characters dislike each other.

The idea that you should build your work – because these are all fundamental aspects of a story – around preventative measures against ‘gross shipping,’ and that coincidentally all those measures boil down to “Have as little nuance, conflict, or difficult and unpleasant things as possible,” is kind of creepy.

[discoursecatharsis]

If Lance were exactly the same as he is now but a white boy I guarantee Klance fandom would not exist because no one would be a Lance stan. They'd probably correctly interpret his place in the narrative for once. God, why couldnt Lance have been white. Why didn't they make Pidge latina instead. It honestly would've saved everyone the current headache.

Honestly I feel like a lot (not all of course, but a lot) of people only like Lance because he’s Latino. Don’t think he’d get this much love if he was white

[nitpickingfan]

Lance starts the show a walking stereotype of the typical male flirt character that Tumblr claims to hate, but give him a tan and suddenly he's the wokest thing to ever happen.

TBH i think it's just a case of stated preferences vs revealed preferences. They say they don't like that character archetype because it's not woke to like those guys, but if you look at the characters they fawn over the truth is revealed.

[discoursecatharsis]

Kind of wonder if there's a way to get Mickey or others looked at by Dreamworks HR. Geiger put their twitter on autoclear so I don't know if any of their shady tweets are still there, but the fact this shit is still going on in a "professional" setting is fucked up to be pretty honest.

Also the fact that Geiger put their twitter on autoclear reads “guilty as charged” like wtf are they tweeting where they feel the need to hide it?

Idk if there’s a way. Last time with Alice, I know some people @/-ed Dreamworks and a couple maybe even emailed DW, but clearly nothing happened. I only hope that someone on Dreamworks’ HR is aware and they just haven’t said/done anything about it yet

[nitpickingfan]

If you actually want to do something about it.  Find an algorithm to auto archive her tweets, likes, and retweets.

[jamesgriffn-deactivated20181214]

I just realised that all of the “shiro and keith are brothers” theories aged badly after it was revealed by a member of the voltron crew that shiro and keith are 100% not related.

[lesbianallurance]

oof also by formpodcast in the bom ep scene where we see keith’s dad, JDS said they didn’t want to show his face bc it’d be hard to make an adult-looking guy that didn’t just look like a version of shiro, but they were worried people would suspect he’s an alien or smthng. so there goes that dumb “shiro looks like keith’s dad” theory!!

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[nitpickingfan]

Dudes, I'm trying to look up if you're purging nsfw blogs. Maybe don't be so fucking hush hush all the time, and people won't have to rely on the damn rumor mill.

[arahir]

[arahir]

you know what i’ve had enough

and:

and the first episode includes “cadets” escaping their facility to ride across the desert on a hoverbike. then there’s:

among many many others. and all of these would be delightful homages if their staff didn’t continue to shit on voltron and lauren montgomery and joaquim dos santos in public on twitter, explicitly speaking as members of the she-ra staff, explicitly encouraging harassment of their colleagues. there’s unprofessional and then there’s that. dreamworks is an hr nightmare.

[nitpickingfan]

(via 'She-Ra' is a wonderfully diverse and upbeat reimagining of a classic)

[freedom-of-fanfic]

I was wondering, what do you think of sh@l@din shippers who hate on Kl@nce?Isn’t that still using @nti rhetoric in implying that kl@nce is abusive? It’s not the same obv bc they don’t bully anyone but still. Idk like the whole kl@nce hate is rly off putting. Most k/l shippers aren’t even @ntis. I wish there was a safe space to ship both, cause it kinda seems like to be an @nti 🐜 you can’t ship kl@nce.

this kind of ties into something I’ve been meaning to talk about for a bit? But I’m going to try to keep it brief for once.

i feel like the anti-shipping position that ships/fics should be pure, wholesome, and safe has quietly permeated the fandom groundwater, becoming the accepted default position, and it’s been done by antis taking refuge in audacity.

anti-shippers take it as a given fact that fiction must be morally wholesome and ships must be healthy. breezing right past the questions of ‘do ships have to be healthy to be valid?’ and ‘do fanworks have to be moral to be allowed to exist?’, fandom antis jump straight to ‘this ship/this fanwork is csa/incestuous/abusive’ regardless of whether or not these things are true.

ship defenders and anti-censorship blogs end up focusing on pointing out the ship is not csa or the fanwork does not feature abuse, not necessarily conscious that by doing so they quietly cede ground: ‘but if it was unhealthy/immoral,’ they quietly imply, ‘it would of course be indefensible.’

losing that ground - losing the position that all ships are valid and all fanworks are allowed to exist, moral value and purity aside - has naturally led shippers to adopt the language of antis when fighting back against antis or complaining about their NOTPs.

this is particularly true in the VLD fandom. for example, sh1dge is denigrated by a huge number of people - she1th and kl@nce shippers alike in addition to antis/klantis -as ‘pedophilia’ (read: csa). it doesn’t matter why sh1dge shippers ship it or how they ship it; it’s treated as fact that sh1dge is indefensible and shipping it is indefensible. (and even as I type this, I feel the need to disclaim that the age gap makes me personally uncomfortable.)

but shipping sh1dge shouldn’t need defense in the first place. they’re fictional characters! it’s not a real 9th grader being shipped with a young adult. they are infinitely malleable in the imagination and all interpretations of their relationship are valid. shipping it doesn’t prove anything about the shipper’s feelings about age gaps in rl couples or anything else. but the vldiscourse often loses sight of that.

your ask illustrates another example. as ‘klantis’ (pro-kl@nce anti-shippers) are perpetuating a thinly-veiled ship war with she1th - ‘anti-sh@ladin’ is just the natural outgrowth of being forced to defend the consistency of their position - it’s no surprise that having ceased to posit that ships don’t need to be justified to be shipped, she1th shippers long ago started to fire back at klantis with anti-kl@nce arguments functionally indistinguishable from any anti-shipper position. ‘kl@nce is abusive!’ how about: she1th and kl@nce are equally good ships and it doesn’t matter how ‘healthy’ they are! (and using this kind of argument to attack klantis catches non-anti kl@nce shippers in the crossfire.)

the fact that the default fandom position has made a considerable shift from ‘all ships are valid’ and ‘fictional creations and tastes are separate from real behaviors and tastes’ towards ‘only healthy ships are valid’ and ‘garbage in, garbage out’/’fiction consumption has a 1:1 correspondence with rl behavior’ has changed the tone of fandom.

shippers and anti-shippers often sound similar in their praise and condemnation of otps/notps. 

It’s increasingly likely for a pro-shipper in one fandom to hold an anti-shipper position in another*, depending on whether the anti-shipping movement protects or bags on their OTP.

anti- and pro- shippers alike will often join together to harass and dogpile the creators of kinky or dark fanworks that violate their sensibilities.

*while I have seen active, harrasses/doxxes/harms-others-for-their-ships anti-shippers turn ‘pro-ship’ in a new fandom because their OTP was an anti target, they usually maintain anti principles of what’s allowed to be shipped or not.

so tl;dr: anyone is allowed to have a notp and hate on a ship, but I think no better of sh@ladin shippers using anti arguments to bag on kl@nce than I do kl@nce shippers using anti arguments to bag on sh@ladins. It’s the same poisonous thinking, the same misapplication of words, the same deeply worrying assumption that ships must be healthy and fanworks must be moral.

But in my opinion, the worst part of all is that as fandom increasingly accepts the unspoken anti-shipper premise that everything must be good/moral/pure, all of fandom becomes more authoritarian. We grow intolerant of the pain and circumstances of others, more self-hating and afraid of attacks we secretly fear we deserve, and more susceptible to anyone promising to save us from our own moral failings (such as ‘fandom moms’, anti culture, etc.), pointing us at a scapegoat to blame for everything bad around us. 

all antis had to do was scream lies at the top of their lungs until the rest of us got too tired to keep fighting and too distracted to see the unspoken goalpost shift.

[freedom-of-fanfic]

In light of my answer to the ask about the ‘anti’ label being misapplied yesterday, I want to bring this back to illustrate a different but related point.

as fandom has (1) gone increasingly mainstream/diluted into mainstream spaces and (2) increasingly conflated shipping & activism*, the old ruling principle of ‘live and let live’ that transformative fandom once operated under has fallen increasingly to the wayside.

(*conflating shipping & activism is a subtype of conflating fiction and reality/’fiction affects reality’.)

‘ship and let ship’ (SALS) and ‘your kink is not my kink (and that’s okay)’ (YKINMKATO, ‘kinktomato’) are not ‘I endorse everything under the sun both irl and in fiction’: they are guidelines to respecting other fans that have different values, coping mechanisms, feelings, worldviews, traumas, life experiences, identities, orientations, fantasies, etc, and acknowledging that this makes it impossible to judge their life choices.

this widespread cohesive attitude is what really made transformative fandom a radically unusual space in the 2000′s: not the existence of kinky shit by and for non-straightcismale audiences, but the lack of judgement of things that we knew we could not judge. and this had its own problems and blind spots (racism being (a hUGE) one of them) - it was far from perfect - but it was comparatively friendly when we consider current fandom environs.

these respect guidelines are not widely known/followed anymore due to a variety of circumstances. one of them is that it’s very common for the average, uncritical stance towards ‘weird’ things to be ‘that’s gross and I wish it didn’t exist’/’I don’t think it should exist’. 

for example, that (in)famous gifset of Josh Keaton saying ‘first of all, learn the definition of pedophilia’? what was not giffed was what he followed it up with [paraphrased]: ‘there’s people who ship shiro and keith as student/teacher and stuff and that’s not okay. that’s gross.’ (this is why I don’t find his apology when he bowed out of public shipping wank to be a change in his position on shipping.) even while JKeat did not approve the ‘anti’ definition of pedophilia, he also did not approve of kinky shipping from the start. 

I believe this to be the average non-fandom-member’s feelings on all fictional content (though in the main, only authoritarian groups try to police the existence of fictional content they find objectionable).

dilution of fandom into mainstream spaces & increased ease of access to transformative fandom means that many people have joined fandom without becoming acquainted with SALS or YKINMKATO as rules for respectful interaction. Instead they carry this casual ‘ship/create whatever you want - except the gross shit’ attitude with them into fandom. and if they don’t quickly figure out how to curate their fandom experience, viral sharing social media will  bring the casual newcomer a host of ‘gross shit’ they don’t want to see.

If such a person is inclined to be an authoritarian - that is, to demand that everyone live by their definition of what’s gross and what isn’t - they will probably become an enthusiastic militant anti-shipper, policing ‘bad ships’ with vigor. If not, their fandom etiquette ‘alignment’ is much more uncertain.

between this average ‘all kinks but my kinks are weird’ feeling & the successful pushback against SALS/YKINMKATO by militant fandom antis: people who believe that fictional ships/fanworks should be morally pure/good/healthy and insult, denigrate, or discourage ships/fans of ships they see as ‘bad’ don’t always identify themselves as ‘antis’, ‘anti-[ship]’, or ‘anti-pedophilia/incest/abuse’.

in fact, it’s become increasingly common for people who believe this to NOT identify as ‘antis’ because the ‘anti’ label is associated with harassment and abuse*.

here’s my point:

at this strange, sort of postmodern transformative fandom juncture (Oct 2018), the labels people use to identify their opinion on fandom etiquette mean less and less. We’re all so polarized that if a person wishes to throw their weight around with a small army of followers, harassing and dogpiling on people they disagree with, they could do it in the name of nearly anything and find some success.

the ‘anti-pedophilia/incest/abuse’ community remains the most popular place from which cyberbullies take positions of power and direct intrafandom attacks … but it is not the only place that harbors cyberbullies, and it never was the only place harboring cyberbullies.

abusers are abusers are abusers, and again: they will use anything - shipping, anti-shipping, or anything else - to abuse people. 

and: the more polarized fandom is, the easier it is for serial abusers and predators to find a place where if they say the right things, they can do whatever they want and get away with it.

 (*even the most virulent fandom policers often do not perceive their own intimidation tactics as abusive. they may see their actions as justified because they’ve deemed their target(s) as acceptable targets/subhuman, or they may justify them as a necessary evil for the good of all. alternatively, they may simply be so un-self-aware that they literally don’t know they’re harassing people.)

[tequieroshiro]

i see so many posts about keith getting friendzoned and shit and it just. it doesnt sit right with me at all.

obviously i ship sheith and id die for them because they have a natural chemistry but… you all know you dont have to like a guy back, even if he fights the entire universe and wins for you, right? shiro is not obligated to love keith back romantically just because keith did all of that for him. its not. just. stop making all those jokes about keith getting cucked its gross and you sound like cis men who complain about women friendzoning them

[nitpickingfan]

Shiro doesn't have to like him back, but from the show hints he very clearly does find Keith attractive and treasures their bond. If he was a real person he would like Keith back, and if he doesn't, it's because he's fictional and could be made to fall in love with Allura tomorrow if that was what his creators chose to do.

[maxmxyfield-deactivated20181022]

what the “enemies to lovers” trope means: two characters who bicker/insult each other a lot, who might see each other as ‘friendly rivals’, who gradually become closer and learn to trust each other and get along and eventually fall in love while keeping up their humours dynamic

what y’all think the “enemies to lovers” trope means: two characters who are constantly trying to murder, torture and abuse each other both mentally and physically, who suddenly find each other incredibly sexually attractive and fall into an incredibly abusive relationship!!

[nitpickingfan]

That first trope is literally called rivals to lovers. Enemies to lovers involves being actuall enemies not just rivals.

[huntypastellance]

Yeah, so Symbrock dethroning Klance on the Fandometrics is more of a pyrrhic victory than an actual victory.

Like the whole Devilman Crybaby thing where antis got enthusiastically into the canon while banning every other shipper from it because only ANTIS are allowed to enjoy problematic content without spiraling downwards into HELLISH SIN.

(ಠ_ಠ)

I mean, it’s not really a victory if antis are still occupying the #1 spot (kinda like how Bubbleline forced them to “make way” since there was so much backlash over antis refusing to share the spot with Rupphire last time & they HAVE to keep up their image that they actually care about “pure unproblematic lesbian couples” because they’re not gross nasty fujoshi like those SHEITHS.)

Semi-related, but an interesting point:

Food for thought.

[huntypastellance]

Somebody asked for Jeremy Shada discourse????

As always, We put the stupidest comments at the top.

This week, in vld fandom discourse, Jeremy Shada spoke during an interview at the Vancouver Convention about how he was tired of the klantis who spam his instagram & deliberately take everything he says & does out of context to push their ship.

The klantis, of course, did not take this well.

But as we ALL know, they’ll forgive him by the end of next week when he makes the mistake of wearing a red shirt with blue jeans or standing in front of a poster with red & blue colors. But for now, he is to be crucified by the klancedom for his statements.

Oh, and what exactly were his statements?

https://twitter.com/orcacove/status/1051345835462676481

Transcript:

Interview: —-anything, & it’s interpreted as, “Oh, well this must mean that the showrunners are secretly trying to get Jeremy to confirm-”

Jeremy: Yeaaaaahhhh…..exactly! Or-or! I think even more so than that is like, [raises eyebrows] “Jeremy’s just secretly trying to confirm it & they won’t let him confirm it & he’s like giving us little hints~. Dropping little things & like we’re in the fandom like Sherlock Holmes, trying to piece it all together~. [pointing finger in the shape of a star] “We’re getting it, this means THIS!” They have like the whole webbed wall of like “he said this!” & “he said this!”. “He wore that shirt, that MUST confirm it!” “That photo had a filter that was THIS!” “Oh the colors! The colors, guys!!! It’s confirmed!”

Interviewer: Yeah, a little bit of red, a little bit of blue-

Jeremy: Yeaaaaaahhhhh-

Interviewer: And what that means-

Jeremy: EXACTLY…..You know what that means…….And that’s the funniest thing to me, is I won’t be thinking about it in any way, shape or form, but then afterwards I’m like [makes groaning sound & covers his face with a hand].

Interviewer: “I’ll wear a purple shirt today~.”

Jeremy: Yeah……So that’s where it all comes from! So to answer your question, which I totally just uhhhhh…..COMPLETELY avoiding……in every way, shape & form possible…….uhhhhhh……I don’t know!

Please stop spamming the poor man. It’s been 2 years.

Sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]

[keithskosmo-deactivated20240913]

Why Klance is NOT Endgame or  “The Many Times Klance has been shut down”

Note: I always saw antis crosstagging & writing metas called “Why Allurance won’t happen” or something like that and I found them ridiculous so here’s 7 reasons why Klance won’t be canon and the many times it was shut down.

1. That SDCC Interview where LM & JDS basicallly shut down Klance.

“We’re working in animation so far advanced of that even if people shipped Keith and Lance, we couldn’t go back and change the story and be like ‘oh and now they’re in love.”

Also, LM retweeting these 

2. Klance wasn’t planned or expected.

3. Jeremy viewing Keith & Lance as brothers (and receiving massive backlash on his instagram after saying it.) Why would he say any of this if it were “supposedly” going to be canon?

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4. Jeremy Shada at ECCC, when a fan asked him, “Klance or Shallura” stated that he couldn’t give his opinion (knowing full well the fan wanted him to say klance) Quote: “I can’t give my opinion because then you guys are just going to assume it’s canon when it’s not.”

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5. Barlee confirming that Shiro is our MAIN and ONLY rep in the show. So there’s no Bisexual Lance or gay Keith in store for S8 soz.

6. Jeremy singlehandedly murdering Klance.

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7. Allurance is Endgame 

Whether you ship it or not it IS going to happen. I don’t need to write a whole meta on why Allurance is Endgame because it’s pretty much self-explanitory. After watching S6 & S7, it should be clear by now that they’re the “slowburn” the cast has always been referring to.

[ilovelocust]

Transcript of what Jeremy said at fan expo.  This was in response to being asked what he shipped.

Interviewer: Say anything, and it is interpreted as, “Oh well this must mean that the showrunners are secretly trying to get Jeremy to confirm.

Jeremy: Yeah, exactly, or I think even more so that that is like, "Jeremy is just like secretly trying to confirm that they won’t let him confirm that, so he’s like giving us little hints, dropping little things, and we’re the fandom Sherlock Holmes just piecing it together. We’re getting it!  This means this,” They have like the whole web wall of like, “This and this, he said this. He wore that shirt. That must confirm it.  That photo, that filter was this.  Oh the colors, the colors guys! It’s confirmed.”

Interviewer: A little bit of red, a little bit of blue.

Jeremy: Yeah.

Interviewer: You know what that means.

Jeremy: Exactly, you know what that means, and that’s the funniest thing to me. I won’t be thinking about it in any way, shape, or form, and then afterwards I’m like “Oh..that”.

Interviewer: I’ll wear a purple shirt today.

Jeremy: Yeah, that’s, so that’s were it all comes from. So to answer your question, which I’m totally just completely avoiding, in every way shape and form possible.  I don’t know.

[junko-for-proships-deactivated2]

Sheith The Movie.wmv

Shared with Dropbox

As the title says, this is Sheith the Movie Where I cut and cropped as many Sheith moments as I could (in chronological order in terms of the timeline) to show how Shiro and Keith’s relationship has grown over their time in the series [though not everything because there’s way too many]

[Because it’s dropbox you might have to download it to watch it, but it was the best I could do because it’s an hour and 20 minutes long]