what ace discoursers don't hear each other say

[hellokittysbow-deactivated20200]

RAPE THREATS R SO FUNNYYYYY LMAOOO die

LITERALLY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

you guys literally have to make mountains of molehills to make yourselves seem oppressed. its so funny.

[animefacialrecognitionsoftware01]

[hellokittysbow-deactivated20200]

BRO THEY’RE 16 AND THEY HATE YOU DONT GAS YOURSELF UP LIKE THIS IF YOU KNOW THEYRE FUCKING WITH YOU

YOU ARENT OPPRESSED AND I PROMISE IF YOU WERE A 16 YEAR OLD TROLLING YOU ON THIS INTERNET IS NOT YOUR OPPRESSOR

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT

[moth111]

ALSO IF YOU THINK ASEXUALS DONT FACE SHIT THEN YOURE IGNORANT AS FUCK. ACEPHOBES THREATIN AND FUCK WITH US ALL THE TIME BUT SINCE WE’RE ASEXUALS IT’S FINE?? IT DONT WORK LIKE THAT YALL ACEPHOBES ARE PART WHY MY DEPRESSION GOT WORSE. YALL HATE HOMOPHOBES BUT YALL ARENT ANY BETTER THAN THEM BY FUCKING WITH ACE PEOPLE AND MAKING THEM FEEL LIKE SHIT 24/7 WHO LITERALLY HAVENT DONE SHIT TO YALL. HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST. ALSO RAPE THREATS AND RAPE CORRECTION IS (BY THE DEFINITION) OPPRESSION. LIKE YALL ASSHOLES GO INTO OUR TELL US TO DIE AND BULLY US ALL THE TIME AND YOU KNOW IT DO YALL THINK THAT SHIT DONT HURT?? FUCK OUTTA HERE BRUH

[hellokittysbow-deactivated20200]

this is what i picture when yall type like that.

[52tx]

@kjh48 you wanna be black so bad dont you goy devil

[moth111]

I am black.. I’m literally from the DMV so how you gonna tell me I’m not black or tell me how to type? Fuck outta here bruh

[animefacialrecognitionsoftware01]

LOL BUT I THOUGHT ALL ACEYS WERE WHITE PPL!! DAMN LEARN SUM NEW EVERY DAY LMAO

[nobodyeversaysthat]

WOW. I've never seen somebody just come straight out and phrase it as "you wanna be black so bad." That's... really something.

[eroticcannibal]

Hot take but polyamorous people are oppressed for their orientation (ok yeah not the right word but close enough, it’s certainly not a lifestyle choice for most people) and therefore are LGBT+ and yes I make the rules sorry not sorry

[cowabungatime-blog1]

Cishets having multiple partners aren’t LGBT

[eroticcannibal]

Yeah I already amended my stance poly is queer

[cowabungatime-blog1]

Stacy having 3 boyfriends is not LGBT hun

[eroticcannibal]

Yeah, it’s queer

[cowabungatime-blog1]

BITCH

A Cishet woman having more than one boyfriend isn’t gay

[eroticcannibal]

You’re right

It’s queer

[cowabungatime-blog1]

How the fuck is a cishet with more than one partner LGBT

[eroticcannibal]

Dunno, you;d have to go ask someone who thinks that

[cowabungatime-blog1]

So it’s not LGBT to be poly? You agree but act like you don’t

[eroticcannibal]

Read

[cowabungatime-blog1]

Well at least you realise that LGBT aren’t queer cuz we aren’t freaks so I’ll give you that

[marxpussy-deactivated20180726]

God the ace flag is just SO fucking ugly. I think it’s that putrid gray color.

[marxpussy-deactivated20180726]

Including myself, it appears being disgusted by the ace flag is a lesbian experience.

[fumbledeegrumble]

oh my god

hey tell me again about how it’s just about the cishet aces

[aroace-people-are-lgtbq]

Like, The only opinions that matter about the ace flag are ace people’s 

So anyway

Look at our lovely flag, I’m so glad that it exists. It’s so pretty and acethetically pleasing

[sarahsyna]

@aroace-people-are-lgtbq I can’t lie, I am so fucking jealous of your flag. Purple, black, and silver are my favourite colours. Basically, if someone did a metallics version of it, I’d be seething with envy.

[sick-of-aphobes]

“Being disgusted by the ace flag is a lesbian experience”?

I’m sorry, what the fuck, op? What the fuck?

[disk--horse]

yeah implying that lesbians hate aces is lesbophobic

[yan6]

OP is lesbophobic and Exclusionists are just watered-down TERFs who pretend that exclusionary rhetoric is ok as long as it’s the ACTUAL “”bad people”” (ie the exact same stance as TERFs who pretend they are just protecting women from predators)

The lesbian flag literally doesn’t exist yet you’re gonna try to drag other ppl’s flag as “ugly” and pass it off as a “lesbian” thing?

OP is a sad piece of soggy dog shit 🤷‍♂️

[marxpussy-deactivated20180726]

Please please get a life.

[misawndry]

the ace flag is boring and colorless and the lesbian flag is pretty and cute!! please eat shit

[bitter-bitchbites]

HEY WOULD YOU LOOK AT THIS

A LESBIAN FUCKING CALLING IT A “LESBIAN EXPERIENCE” TO BE AN INSIPID FUCKBIGOT !! ahahahahahahah

im tired of my own community. blocklist gallore for you all, now someone pls get me a tissue im gonna cry about how rotten terfs got us to be.

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

Imagine being so blind to your own ideology’s claims that you can sit back and relax while reading this shit. Disgusting.

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

“Oh I don’t condone it!” Stop fucking spreading the misinformation that validates it then.

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

Every time you call yourself an anti, validate antis, spread misinformation that encourages anti beliefs, and say all anti behaviour is normal, you are normalising and condoning these messages.

@lesbie-vague @trans-wooloo @casper-ghostly @nyanbinary-ferris

[yorksilk]

Stop tagging me in shit omg it’s not going to make me condone suicide baiting or whatever

[bandoq]

if we’re going by that logic then calling ourselves anything is condoning those things because there’s people in pretty much every group who have done these things.

we do not condone suicide baiting, no matter how much you try to profess that we do.

we just don’t like that y'all ship gross abusive shit. that’s it. that’s all being an anti means.

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

This isn’t a one-off, No True Scotsman issue. What is the natural consequence of not being okay with other people’s ships? It should be blocking and moving on, but anti ideology, in mistakenly saying that it causes some sort of moral degradation in people, literally means it has to be unwanted interaction, aka harassment. Nobody is going to stop shipping things if you say the ship is gross. The only way to stop it (which is the anti goal) is to confront and fight with them. It’s that simple.

[bandoq]

good lord

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

Idk how you saw those screenshots and didn’t notice this obvious conclusion, but okay.

[bandoq]

i actually can’t read them properly cuz they’re so small/blurry lol

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

I’ll type them out for you.

“Since you clearly have no problem with minors and adults being in a relationship Dashie why don’t you let me take you for a bit of a ride”

“also no one fucking cares if you’re a survivor you cunt”

“I don’t know how you can be an incest survivor and then defend incest fics. Did you like it or something? You make other survivors look bad.”

“How would you like that, to feel older men all over you again? That’s what you’re into, right? Little kids like you getting fucked by older men”

“Look here, kike, I know about the sex trafficking you people do and one day you and your kind will burn for what you’ve done. You can’t push your rape agenda on the public forever. I hope you enjoy fucking kids while you can, furnace fodder.”

“lmao bitch u nastyyyyy did a family member groom and rape you when you were little? Get some fuckin help”

“I’m going to throw rocks at your head until your skull cracks”

“why is it that you survived cancer while other people who don’t support incest and pedophilia do die from it?”

“imagine thinking people who ship incest are living breathing human beings”

“Get raped.”

That good enough for you?

[bandoq]

listen dude i made my fucking point i don’t really care what the screenshots say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[heresthereceipts]

So you’re okay with this behavior? Duly noted. I’ll show this to anyone who is like “oh I don’t condone that stuff!”

[bandoq]

dude i literally said that none of us condone this behaviour, i don’t need to see screenshots to know that it’s happening and the addition of them made it far too much for me to read anyway.

there was no point in me responding in any other way as the person i was conversing with has clearly made up their mind.

do not fucking twist my words.

[heresthereceipts]

So explain that image you responded with to @antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx? Don’t twist your words? Friend, you twist your own words so much you don’t know what you’re saying anymore. It’s funny that the moment someone says “I’m gonna just keep this, in case” when it concerns something you people say, all of a sudden, you don’t condone nasty behavior, and yet… you do. Ask your people about Ollie the rapist. At least we anti antis clean out our trash.

Anyway, block and report @trenda-inu for condoning suicide baiting, exploitation of minors and harassment. 

[izukourse]

no he doesnt, neither does lesbie-vauge, leave my friends alone

[heresthereceipts]

This is receipts blog. I’m not actually discussing anything with them. My apologies if you can’t comprehend that. 

[izukourse]

i can understand fine, i just dont know why youre saying they condone things they dont and it’ll hurt them by saying they do when they dont

[celciusdiscourse]

I wasn’t gonna get involved, and what I’m about to say, I mean in a stern-kindness tone, not an aggressive one, so sorry if it comes out as such, but may I just point out?

Why do you think we have a problem with antis in the first place?

It’s because they’re saying we condone things, horrible things, things many of us have been victims of, that we don’t, and that is hurtful and damaging.

Especially because so goddamn many people use the complete lies told about us as reasons why harassing us is justified.

That’s the part we have a problem with.

I don’t know why you guys are saying we condone things we don’t either! Every time a post gets swarmed by self-proclaimed “moral people”, the notes are full of things like “anti-antis are pro-pedophilia and pro-abuse” and “imagine thinking pedophilia is hot”. It’s completely false. In the very receipts a-d typed up there, I can count 5 times antis accused pro-shippers of condoning things they didn’t. Which don’t even hold a candle to the rape threats, but since false accusations is the part that seems to trigger your empathy, that’s what I’ll be focusing on.

Half of us don’t even have any ships close to what most of y’all are accusing us of “jerking off” or “wacking it” to, but we get called pedophiles and cousin-rapists anyway, just because we don’t think violence is a reasonable response to weird fiction.

You can clearly see why that kind of treatment is a problem, since you’re trying to protect your friend from it, but I’ve yet to see any of you really care when it’s happening to people on “the other side”. Someone in one of these threads implied the graphic violence a-d gets regularly is their own fault. That somehow they earned it, that they deserve it. How the fuck do you see this and not think “hey we seem to have an infestation of abusers, we should maybe be more careful about that”?

If the deductions we made, based on the dozens occurrences of personal experience with everything in the above screenshots and more, are wrong, then could you guys maybe prove it with your actions? Even just showing a little concern and sympathy for the people who put up with this daily, especially the minors and CSA survivors among us, when they talk about this, would be a sign of good faith. Literally that’s it, that’s how low the bar is. Anything other than “but I’m not one of the people who does this stuff, so how is this my problem”.

Feel free to never interact with me again, if that makes you comfortable. But I do hope you’ll take my addition as food for thought, at least.

(I also hope your friend feels better. Would’ve reblogged from his addition, since his first line is also pretty relevant to the discussion, but I can see he’s already very overwhelmed and I didn’t wanna add to that.)

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

THANK YOU.

[sumnovasugarbee-deactivated2020]

I’m not gonna get into discourse, but the person who states that they had a panic attack says it right there “they don’t care what the screenshots say.” I mean… it’s right there saying they don’t care about what was said about anti antis. I get that they got overwhelmed and shit, but if you say you don’t care about the evidence being presented to you about the absolute deplorable things said about people, how do you think the people that were told those things are supposed to react to that type of response? 

People can only be so patient and somethings shouldn’t warrant a positive response. Absolutely not saying that sending hateful messages should be done at all, but what I am saying is that some reactions aren’t gonna be all so nice. We are no robots. We emote. When someone says something hurtful to you and disregards your pain and suffering, how would you seriously react to it? Some people will ignore it and some people will bite back. That’s humanity.

[lunafreysia]

Ok the fact that trenda-inu’s response to those screenshots was “I don’t really care” shows such a complete lack of empathy I’m reeling.

The point here is that there are too many antis who think this behavior is acceptable and whether you condone it or not, you incite them. You validate them. All you have to do is openly say that this behavior is not ok but you all cannot even bring yourselves to say that and why? Because it’ll piss off your followers? I can’t bring myself to understand how you can look at the harassment people have faced due to antis and just act like it’s not your problem because you didn’t personally send those asks.

You make them feel like this is ok because you never call out this behavior. You help dehumanize people who ship stuff you don’t like.

On the anti anti/pro shipper side I’ve seen them callout their own when ppl step out of line and resort to this sort of behavior. But on the anti side? Usually some comment about how it’s either not their problem or the person receiving the hate deserved it anyway.

It’s about time antis who don’t condone harassment speak up and get your followers together. Because the fact that you all are looking at what they’re doing to people and just shrugging is horrific to say the very least.

[mjalti]

[clairefrasersbitch]

honestly my ~aphobia~ has extended past cishet aces to literally all aces on the ace side of the discourse. if u think aces are oppressed for being ace i fucking hate you lol idc if you’re an lgbt ace

[mukhannath]

oh boy here we go  

[aphobe-nonsense]

raise ur hands who’s surprised at this turn of events. 

yeah, nobody. we know you hate us. this isn’t really anything new. 

[aerospace-agenda]

Oh, the irony here…

[lesbianpeachs]

“Extended” nah pal you dropped the mask. We knew you hated aces.

[snakesonastarship]

While I, a non-ace person, have trouble fully understanding the experiences of ace-spec people I would never presume to doubt that they are oppressed on the basis of their ace identity. So many cultures around the world place an insanely high value on sexuality and sexual expression. This tendency can lead people to viewing those who fall onto the ace - spectrum as being in some way damaged or malfunctioning, the same view that homophobes take of people who are attracted to people of the same gender and that transmisogynists take of people who identify with something other than their assigned at birth gender.

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

Antis: What you write about, the events you depict in your stories, they reflect who you are as a person. If you write about bad things happening to fictional people, you’re a bad person.

Antis, to absolutely not fictional people: I want to bash your head in with rocks. I want you to be brutally murdered. I want to scoop out your eyes with an icecream scooper. I want you to dissolve your tongue in acid. I want you to be tied up and get pecked at by birds. I want you to get hit by a train. I want you to choke. I want you to get lynched. I would celebrate if you died.

Admit you prioritise fictional people over real ones or admit that, following your own logic, you’re worse than a terrible person because you describe how you’d like these things to happen to real people.

(All of those threats are real and searchable on my blog. 👀 Fucking @ me)

[an-asexual-of-owls-and-roses]

aphobes: and for my next trick I shall prove that aphobia does not exist by…

audience: *holds breath*

aphobes: …being aphobic.

[irlarobot]

well being as it isn’t real that’d be quite the feat.

[an-asexual-of-owls-and-roses]

audience: *gasps* 

[scorpiorisingfemme]

straight aces who call themselves gay because its an “umbrella term”: die

[actualdisasterbi]

Hey, do y’all remember the time that an exclusionist literally parroted the anti-LGBT+ arguments of days long past in saying that the asexual identity is just a sexual dysfunction (reminiscent of the days when homophobes would say that being gay was just a sexual dysfunction)?

Because I remember.

[theymeanaspecs]

oh dear god not 

SEX POSITIVITY!!!

[stiffcourse]

instead of “that’s so gay”, try saying...

“that’s so queer!”

“ew, how queer!”

“it was really queer of you to flake out on us last night :/” 

“stop whining, don’t be so queer” 

move the stigma away from a perfectly safe, non-slurred identity and give it to the ugly, homophobic slur! :)

[just-antithings]

Just Exclusionist Things: honestly what the fuck is wrong with y’all?

[theymeanaspecs]

GIVE 👏 BIGOTS 👏 MORE 👏 WEAPONS 👏

[officialqueer]

Some dink: Why are you trying to make queer into an identity it’s a bad word!!!

Buddy, people have been identifying as queer since long before either of us were born, and people are gonna keep identifying as queer until the sun blows out.

[quotidianheroics]

anybody got receipts?

[nobodyeversaysthat]

are you looking for receipts of “why are you trying to make queer into an identity it’s a bad word”? i think they were talking about this post: http://autismserenity.tumblr.com/post/182921834106/thatdudemaison15-officialqueer-queer-is

[ptsdgf]

q*eers die challenge

[monarch-boo]

[andvaka]

You ever just so progressive you loop right back into regular ol’ homo- & transphobia

[whiteadora]

“just say u hate q*eers and go” i hate q*eers bc yall fuckin freaks make lgbt spaces unsafe for trauma survivors and teach minors that being gay is shameful bc its ~too specific~ ùwù. literally die

kill me yourself you fucking coward

[acephobiaisajoke]

Sex is literally the most important thing in every relationship and if you take it away from your non-ace partner then you need to understand how abusive you are.

Even if they say they are completely fine with little to no sex then they are lying just to make you feel better. You. Are. Abusive.

Date another asexual person or die alone.

[swolerbear]

I absolutely cannot stop thinking about this post as a NON-ACE survivor of rape and abuse.

“they are lying just to make you feel better” is so fucked up, like… This post is 100% abuser logic through and through. I legitimately worry for anyone this person has dated.

It’s possible to be sexually incompatible, and that’s something two people need to work out between themselves, so to completely undermine the agreement between two people is so fucked.

When I stopped having sex with my abuser, she threatened me with cheating or pushed for an open relationship. I told her we could talk about an open relationship because while the idea of her having sex with someone else was awful, she insisted she needed something I couldn’t give her (because uhhhh she was beating me), and I loved her. That made her so fucking angry because she didn’t actually WANT the open relationship, she wanted to coerce me into sex. By OP’s logic, I was the abusive one in this situation, even though I didn’t want to have sex because I was literally getting my ass beat 🤔

Like this whole post is just abuser logic through and through. I hope OP dies alone. They really thought it was okay just because they were using this rape apologist/abuser logic to attack ace people.

[swolerbear]

discoursers on this website: ace people are basically incels lmao

also discoursers on this website: anyway if you don’t have sex with me you’re abusive

🤔

[rachel-rebellio]

some of the things i’ve been told since coming out as asexual in 2015

-“you’re too pretty to be asexual”

-“you just haven’t met the right guy yet”

-“you’ll change your mind once you’re in a relationship”

-“if you ever get in a ‘relationship’ your partner will just cheat on you so he can have sex”

-“is there something wrong with you?”

-“it’s just a hormonal thing. doctors can help you fix that”

-“so… you’re gay?”

-“here’s the name of my doctor you should see him about your homone levels”

-“that’s not a real thing”

-“there must be something wrong with you”

-“you’re probably gay but too scared to tell anyone”

-“i can fix that ;)”

-“i called my pastor and he said he’s going to put you on the prayer chain”

-“the bible doesn’t necessarily say that asexuality is wrong, but it’s wrong because it’s an identity thing. you should just identify as a child of God, regardless of whether or not you actually get these feelings”

-“you’re basically just straight”

-“so you’re just gonna be alone forever?”

-“so you’ve never loved anyone?”

-“ohmygosh is this because of your past trauma?!”

-“i’m so sorry, this must be because of all you’ve been through”

-“you don’t look asexual”

-“so you probably masturbate a lot then…”

-“asexuals aren’t part of the lgbtqia community… the A stands for ‘ally’. stop pretending like asexuals are descriminated against”

-“isn’t that a plant thing?”

(feel free to add some of your own experiences)

[dragonofhades]

Don’t forget the odd stares and whispers when you walk down the hallways. I’m in high school, this happens every day

[a-polite-melody]

Have exclusionists collectively erased all memory of the bi-exclusionary discourse that happened a few years ago? Or are they all too young to have been on tumblr that long ago…?

Either way, at least pan discourse is a thing within the past handful of months, and the fact that there are exclusionists saying that there wasn’t (and isn’t) a substantial group of panphobic exclusionists is… really kinda amazing to me. But then again, when did exclusionists ever actually care about what’s really going on?

[legsdemandias]

remember when every single exclusionist had this image on their blog 

Btw I found this image a few months back by going into the ace discourse tag–clicking a completely random blog (since i don’t follow that tag and have a lot of discoursers blocked I had no idea who i was clicking on) and scrolled until I found this post. That’s how pervasive this image was. 

Like, sure, the content of this image (pan and bi are the same thing and you can’t change my mind) isn’t particularly violent but it takes someone’s sexual identity and says “lol but why even call urself that? let ME say what you are”. Particularly non-violent and inconsequential stuff like this is the “haha plant” before the “aces should be rounded up and murdered lol”