#RedInstead

19 | autistic | queer aka a-spec neptunic demigirl (they/them) aka good ol' lesbian | intersex | brown but white passing, that makes things so fun, french and hispanic | sex & sex ed positive | mentally ill | abuse survivor | hypersexual | tags to look out for: #all pedophiles (should/)must die #🌋the bitch howls or even 🐯the bitch talks | a-specs are lgbtqiap | sex ed is important | adapted sex ed ensures children's safety | pedophiles/maps/rapists must all die | your kink doesn't make you queer nor lgbtqiap | black lives matter | reverse racism isn't a thing | regs are saddening | terfs can choke | terfs aren't welcome in the community, any community, they're welcome in hell, go | a/bi/pan-antagonists and truscums and terfs is the same | fujoshis should rot for real | lesbo-haters will be served as amuse-gueules to Cerberus by Aphrodite Herself | ableist people will be blocked unless i can use them as a prop to educate about what they attack | obviously im antifa | fuck capitalism | the police forces are illegetimate by definition | 🌹🌹🌹 | panic at the discourse | FOOL | THE INTRO IS N E V E R LONG ENOUGH | and if you don't read it it's ON Y O U | no really i know it's funny but i care more about transparency than fucking looking cool, eat shit | and s t o p asking about my genitals, gods, what are you on.

[papyruslesbian-moved]

People who condemn fandom racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. and talk about how we need more and better representation of minorities in media but then turn around and say that fandom incest, pedophilia, and abuse are ok because “they’re just ships” and “fiction doesn’t affect reality” will never cease to boggle my mind. Like the amount of congnitive dissonance is utterly astounding and I can’t imagine being that stupid or willfully ignorant

[galren]

listen. fiction may be fiction, but fiction is created by real, actual people and it has real, actual implications and consequences. fiction does not exist in a bubble of “it doesn’t really matter”, it has never existed in a bubble of “it doesn’t really matter”, and people being critical of fictional works for how they present real, actual things that really, actually happen is important.

“IT’S JUST FICTION” is not a fucking defense. it is not a good excuse. it has never been a good excuse. it will never be a good excuse. creations by real, actual people have real, actual implications in our real, actual world, and if people are critical of some work of fiction, there’s usually a pretty solid reason for that.

[heterophobiclesbean]

Trump is so brave and so fucking Orange…. Dare I say he’s……………… Asexual

[bitter-bitchbites]

#im sorry#im pretty sure this meme is stale now#ace discourse#this is in fact a joke for anyone wondering

it’s your white cis ass that’s stale for not getting the simple fact that compared to a community that includes trans ppl and poc, you’re the one closer to trump, for your shared white and cis privilege and sadism, shithead. showing off your bullshit allyship like a pro. funny, considering your url. ‘s like u tried real hard to deny ur still an oppressor by disguising it as us demonizing u.

[kiibocourse]

hey, my name’s laurel and i’m back on my bullshit… the new Discourser On The Block. 

my opinions are on my about but i have a feeling this is gonna be a mostly ace discourse and calling out ableism blog. that being said, can i have a promo? 

@gayhets @discourseful @dare-i-say-asexual (feel free to ignore this if you don’t do promos!)

[fumbledeegrumble]

OH NO

[gay-breen-deactivated20180618]

We all know that “calling out ableism” by OP amounts to… Not calling out ableism and just telling people to go outside or whatever

[popnkinnie]

I’m bleeding out from laughing too hard

The jokes write themselves sweet friends

[popnkinnie]

Who’s gonna tell op gayhets literally made fun of someone about their agoraphobia and then made someone else’s trauma into an open discuss-and-diagnose session via screen shotting them venting about smth and saying how they needed help,,,, without,,, like,,, actually wanting to help,

[kiibocourse]

y’all expect a newly made blog to know about all the recent drama going on in the exclusionist community lol

[popnkinnie]

So you just join discourse and tag ppl without knowing anything about them or what’s been going on??

Tbh that explains a lot about exclusionists as a whole lmao

[bitter-bitchbites]

LMAO SHITHEAD IF UR TAGGING THREE FAMOUS REGS YOU CAN’T SAY YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING INHUMAN ASSHOLES YOU JUST DIDNT LOOK ON PURPOSE

discourseful decided it’d be wise of their white ass to define oppression by laws and illegality, when that’s a common argument used to delegitimize poc’s outrage against racism, and overall is common among anti-sjw circles to invalidatz all kind of marginalized ppl, so sure they are woke lmao. because placing the legitimity of one’s struggle on conditions decided by their oppressors is so progressive. and all over someone not freaking wanting aphobes to follow them. bcus boundaries are annoying apparently.

and dare-i-say-asexual has been caught liking terf propaganda. but no biggie. and they literally spit on ace ppl, not cishets. and their url is a joke about hc'ing abusers as aces.

actually all THREE of them do.

such quality work of not platforming abusers, terfs and precious fragile whites defining who is rlly oppressed.

[fumbledeegrumble]

OH SHIT DARE-I-SAY DID WHAT

GIMME THE DEETS

[bitter-bitchbites]

i live to serve. cw for dysphoria heavy stuff for nb and men because cis ppl cant be silent when they should. this is old news tho. blocklist gallore too.

[bitter-bitchbites]

you can be  “A SEVERELY TRAUMATIZED AND SCHIZOPHRENIC MINOR”  and still be ableist, yeah.

last time i checked c-ptsd and pd’s and others don’t come with a booklet dlc on How To Be Woke About Eugenics

and when u tell an austistic person to “learn to read maybe” ur screwed and ableist, that’s all.

asshole. 

@mochacourse im so sorry you really did nothing wrong for venting and they shouldnt have reblogged that regardless of your tags holy shit why do they not understand boundaries this is b a s i c stuff.

[kiibocourse]

hey, my name’s laurel and i’m back on my bullshit… the new Discourser On The Block. 

my opinions are on my about but i have a feeling this is gonna be a mostly ace discourse and calling out ableism blog. that being said, can i have a promo? 

@gayhets @discourseful @dare-i-say-asexual (feel free to ignore this if you don’t do promos!)

[fumbledeegrumble]

OH NO

[gay-breen-deactivated20180618]

We all know that “calling out ableism” by OP amounts to… Not calling out ableism and just telling people to go outside or whatever

[popnkinnie]

I’m bleeding out from laughing too hard

The jokes write themselves sweet friends

[popnkinnie]

Who’s gonna tell op gayhets literally made fun of someone about their agoraphobia and then made someone else’s trauma into an open discuss-and-diagnose session via screen shotting them venting about smth and saying how they needed help,,,, without,,, like,,, actually wanting to help,

[kiibocourse]

y’all expect a newly made blog to know about all the recent drama going on in the exclusionist community lol

[popnkinnie]

So you just join discourse and tag ppl without knowing anything about them or what’s been going on??

Tbh that explains a lot about exclusionists as a whole lmao

[bitter-bitchbites]

LMAO SHITHEAD IF UR TAGGING THREE FAMOUS REGS YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM BEING INHUMAN ASSHOLES YOU JUST DIDNT LOOK ON PURPOSE

discourseful decided it'd be wise of their white ass to define oppression by laws and illegality, when that's a common argument used to delegitimize poc's outrage against racism, and overall is common among anti-sjw circles to invalidatz all kind of marginalized ppl, so sure they are woke lmao. because placing the legitimity of one's struggle on conditions decided by their oppressors is so progressive. and all over someone not freaking wanting aphobes to follow them. bcus boundaries are annoying apparently.

and dare-i-say-asexual has been caught liking terf propaganda. but no biggie. and they literally spit on ace ppl, not cishets. and their url is a joke about hc'ing abusers as aces.

actually all THREE of them do.

such quality work of not platforming abusers, terfs and precious fragile whites defining who is rlly oppressed.

[popnkinnie]

Is there even a list of shitty things inclusionists have done

[nokogiriyama]

i just pictured in my mind “the inclusionist blocklist”. beside every username theres receipts for what they’ve done, including “accepts nb people” “doesnt hate pan people” “isnt a terf” “isnt a truscum” “thinks that bi people can be non-sga” “believes ace/aro people dont have to be harassed/ridiculed/put in conversion therapy” “doesnt think demisexuality is the norm that everyone feels” “hates being misgendered or called a cishet” “called me out for saying an ableist slur”

[popnkinnie]

Like I know there are some shitty exclusionists but none of them ever get platformed last I checked

‘Made me feel guilty for being a bigot’ comes to mind bc someone was like ‘your guilt tripping me’ after saying smth VERY fucked up, that’s like, guilt worthy

[nokogiriyama]

I was pretty much joking, mocking what i thought they would have considered as something to include in a “shitty things inclusionists have done” list (even if of course there are inclusionists who have fucked up, but most times the above mentioned are the things that make exclusionists more mad at us). also unfortunately no, not many of them are no platformed. demisexualmeansnormal is a 40 y/o who harassed a gay trans black teenager lecturing them about racism, displacecourse agrees that ace people deserve conversion therapy bc its healthy for us and said if we get mad we are idiotic, heteroromanticmarkiplier said non-sga people oppress sga people implying that trans/nb people oppress cis gays and harassed a person over their ace oc (in a gay relationship) to the point they werent eating anymore, rebelbaze believes conversion therapy is a conspiration to make gay people ace, gayhets is ableist, bigbadmeangatekeeper is a truscum, were-wolfcourse is a transphobe, inkf/emme is a trans/nbphobe, siobhan///blank is a rape/pedophile apologist who believes people who call out rape/pedophilia fetishizers are just pissed inclusionists. these are just the ones that come to my mind but last time i checked they were all platformed and some of them also have lots of followers if anything. the only ones that they dont platform are those who say blatant stuff like “kill all aces” or who are explicit terfs (sometimes).

Also yeah i think who you’re talking about is someone who reblogged that huge masterlist herefortheace made of all the anti aro/ace shit on this site. they said “yeah but you shouldnt list this stuff it makes us feel guilty :/”

[popnkinnie]

Inclusionists** I mistype d brjdjdbr this is what I get for cleaning and messing w/ discourse

[nokogiriyama]

SORRY OMG i even suspected that but you know better throw an infodump at 2 am than going to sleep lol

[popnkinnie]

Yee ur good!!! Honestly I can use it for when I gotta go hunt down receipts for this list lmao

[bitter-bitchbites]

srsly tho @mochacourse i have that blocklist in my "gross inclusionists" tag. many are predators tho so careful plz.

but.lmao ye i can imagine them counting our inclusive movements for intersex, nb, pan and enbian ppl as Bad Points.

[machetelanding]

[thinkfarris]

Brilliant!

[wolverinedoc68w-deactivated2020]

Simple.

[oscarorozcoorejel]

This is how you parent. By trusting your kids and being there for them and not turning thier home into a prison

[stynr]

hey, so, thanks to some good talks with a few of y’all, i’ve realize that my use of the word “terf” in that post was far-fetched. i should’ve used something more along the lines of “transphobic,” or just not made the post at all. I’m sorry for upsetting those of you who felt my stance was poorly communicated.

hope you all have a pleasant day!

[3dbabyfromallymcbeal]

what is transphobic abt saying you should treat children with kindness and compassion…?

[stynr]

like i said, my stance was poorly communicated. i feel like the pressure placed on trans people to adhere to binary rites of passage is strong, and many cope by saying they dislike the object of status. it just feels like an excuse to demonize gnc/trans/queer individuals, and i don’t like that.

[fwuitgummi]

“Some people??hate kids??to cope??”

[dicktouching]

“I am inherently unable to delineate between a semi-institutional social pressure and the tangentially related product of the pressure despite the fact that they have nothing to do with the societal pressures I face nor would understand it should I explain to them why I use it against them” or, “I can’t draw a line between hating people telling me I should have kids and hating kids, even though kids probably wouldn’t fully understand or care if I explained it to them after being a fucking prick”

[bitter-bitchbites]

[popnkinnie]

Preformative allies = white cis exclusionists who get caught being racist bigots

[popnkinnie]

*and ableist exclusionists who joke ab ppl dying oops

[thetrippytrip]

I can’t believe they oblitered straight men like that

[castlevanian]

@tabbran please add lemon man story to this

[tabbran]

PRESENTING LEMON MAN

[themightyglamazon]

That was a wild goddamn ride

[wereralph]

god this was worth the read

[bitter-bitchbites]

OH THIS POOR SOUR SOUR FRAGILE MAN

lovethisbestlemonadebutafterbeyonce's.

[pidgeisachad]

Just a friendly reminder

Aphobia is not real, and the interpersonal struggles of ace people does not make them oppressed. Their discrimination comes directly from misogyny, which isnt something they alone face, it affects literally everyone. Whereas homophobia/biphobia/transphobia is something that LGBT people alone face. Oppression is related in the way that everyone who is oppressed, is oppressed, but the reasons are different. Ace people arent “oppressed” for not wanting to have sex. Literally no one cares about that, my straight ace friend agrees with me. You dont need safe spaces, you’ve never been oppressed to the point where people murder you in droves and you hear offensive rhetoric about you on the daily in places that should be safe for you to exist. People saying “you’ll find someone” is simply from a lack of understanding that comes from r*pe culture and misogyny. R*pe culture pushes the idea that you have to have sex, that you cant say no, and that isnt an ace issue alone.

TL;DR: Aphobia is not real, stop acting like your personal problems are discrimination.

[afabitch]

tag yourself I’m the mogai puss baby

[bitter-bitchbites]

aaa this ice cold tea take did not refresh me, surprisingly.

especially that last line, who had transantagonism, exorsexism, bi-antagonism and pan-antagonism interchanged commonly with aphobia in the past. sometimes very recent past.

wouldnt expect much better from someone whose url is an incel joke tho.

[geekandmisandry]

[popnkinnie]

Anyways ion gonna make a masterpost of really shitty things done in the discourse soon

[agenericdiscourseblog]

Hey, @mochacourse since I have receipts for something, but can’t get mobile to work right with submissions, I’m gonna put them here! Tw: sex and genitalia talk, desexualization of aces, mockery, harassment, relapse mention

This is from a couple months ago, but it fits with the current claiming their harassment/mockery/desexualization “doesn’t have IRL consequenses” theme lately.

This was an incident where a harmless little post accidentally wound up in the wrong tag (ace discourse) and was met with harassment, mockery, and even desexualizing ace people when a simple, “hey this isn’t discourse, did you mean to put it here?” would have solved the problem. For reference, this is the original that started this:

Simple little post, and completely harmless. Exclusionists response to it instead of “this isn’t discourse?”

dickscourse and hetmarki:

Quite literally, OP: “I dunno what you guys are on about, the character I mention gets a boyfriend”

These two: “lol no he doesn’t fuck you, we’re gonna compare aces like you to genuinely harmful shit and kinks and mock your terms like qprs because it’s funny!!”

Alongside talking about kinks/sex to a person who they don’t know the triggers of or what they’ve been through and most likely caused their relapse with those comments. Not a single exclusionist said anything about it and as far as I know, continue to platform them.

rebelblaze:

“asexual can’t ever have and enjoy sex because the “a” literally means “not”.“ As if sexual orientations are totally all about sex because most of if not all of them have the same base word “sexual” with different prefixes./s

It almost like rebelblaze seems to equate all sexualities directly to sex and not to what gender a person finds attractive. Try using rebelblazes logic on defining sexuality by the literal definitions of the prefix+word combo and tell me it’s not disgusting. This is desexualization of asexual and if this is how they(?) view sexuality then sexualization of literally everyone else.

2promano:

Just someone else equating sexualities to how much one fucks/wants to fuck! Bonus for that comment equating struggles we face to just not wanting to bone.

It’s not like my struggles involved stalking, threats of harm I won’t specify here, harassment (including sexual harassment), and suicidal tendencies due to all the above all from coming out as ace when I was about 14.

But you know, “not wanting to bone” was totally my biggest worry.

[popnkinnie]

I need to read this more in depth but just skimming I feel like this is going to upset me extremely; I’m going to wait until tomorrow before I get my hands dirty

[bitter-bitchbites]

i hold all of these scums responsible for sexual abuse and gaslighting of aspec ppl from this point on. especially of aspec kids. this is a form of rape culture.

[ahp-discourse]

In case anyone needs further proof of how garbage and ableist some bigger name exclusionists are, so that they can finally be no-platformed:

The worst part?

Even though that person literally called a disabled person a “useless member of society” and said “the cogs of capitalism will crush you and it will be its only success”, not one single exclusionist will call that shit out.  

[herefortheace]

holy shit that’s so incredibly vile

[popnkinnie]

That’s… really gross

[fumbledeegrumble]

Like, I don’t even care about what the prick said about me. But what Ihateuglies said about Debi, that’s not even subtle eugenics. There’s no mincing words here, that’s literally a sentiment people with intellectual disabilities are victimized by, and Gayhets and Co. are cheering over it like it’s some kind of victory:

I wonder if this is why exclusionists have hopped on the “stop calling everything ableist” train.

[popnkinnie]

This is such a dangerous thing to perpetuate idk what to even say rn

[excalibelle]

PRAISE JESUS

[popnkinnie]

When will gayhets delete for perpetuating this bullshit tho

[bitter-bitchbites]

AND CRAVE DEATH IN THIS DARK NIGHT

[hiraethica-deactivated20210526]

“Johann Scheff, trans lady SW arrested in 1932 for nicking women’s clothes from a department store in Berlin.” We’ve always been here. Not even book burnings can truly erase it.

[righteoussness-deactivated20210]

we’ve always been here. committing misdemeanors

[warriortrans]

Even if I wish this wonderful lady had not gotten herself arrested, she is a wonderful reminder that we have always been here!

WarriorTrans

[homoph0bics]

aromantic aplatonic heterosexual cisgender icon uwu:

[queersona]

dude this is really shitty just sayin

[homoph0bics]

uwu this is just my headcanon uwu don’t hate

[queersona]

Dude. comparing innocent people to a shitty alt-right homophobic and racist leader is really shitty.

[homoph0bics]

seems pretty aphobic of you to claim that donald trump can’t be aromantic and aplatonic because he’s a homophobe 🤔🤔🤔 almost makes you think about exclusionists point of view

[queersona]

making nasty jokes like this based on people’s orientation is a shitty thing to do, idk what else to tell you buddy

[herefortheace]

And we’re back to comparing aces/aros to Trump, as a black aro ace mixed race woman I still think it’s HILARIOUS to associate my orientation with ppl who want me hurt or dead, love all those posts about ace/aro “icons” who’re fascists, dangerous misogynists, plain evil in general, and oh there was also that post about how aces are like Thomas Jefferson specifically because he was a slave owner and I’m sure I’m forgetting several… like the anti-ace/aro crowd is fucking horrible

[colon-backslash]

can’t believe op thinks calling aro people evil is fucking progressive is their head up their ass twice

[apersnicketylemon]

Just to be really clear OP, by comparing all aromantic people to trump you have compared:

Jewish, trans, gay, lesbian, bi, pan, black, latine, Muslim, disabled, refugee, and poor aspecs to the man currently trying to kill those groups without being noticed.

You are a disgusting person, and you cannot possibly expect us to believe that you’re just ‘trying to protect your community from the cishet invaders uwu’ when you pull shit like this. Mocking people for their sexual orientation, when they are oppressed already on that axis, and pretending a person with that orientation is somehow the ultimate in privilege, is gross, and always has been. It’s also foolish.

[the-sunshine-cult-deactivated20]

Can you imagine being this hateful? I mean really imagine? Hating ace and aro people this much? There isn’t a single thing about this tha isn’t pure hateful venom. It’s disgusting.

[aroace-people-are-lgtbq]

OP has apologized but OP is shitty anyway and their blog is filled with shitty jokes along the same exact lines as this one, so I highly recommend blocking them anyway

[popnkinnie]

I skimmed through their blog and it consists of claiming ace ppl are all white so tbh their apology is bc they actually got negative attention on a post but I’m sure if they didn’t they’d be all for this lmao.

[aroace-people-are-lgtbq]

yeah… Given that they think this post is funny? In any capacity? Really makes me question the sincerity of their “apology” 

[simonttrout]

But the thing is for me, I think that whoever feels that they’re aro ace can classify themselves as aro ace. I honestly believe that just cause yo evil or something doesn’t mean that classifying yourself as aro ace or really any sexuality should mean that other people could start commenting about how that’s bad. Sorry I can’t really put this into words. Just let someone be who they are, mind your own business. Oh yeah just noting that this has nothing to do with Trump personally, I’m just using this post to point out a view.

[aroace-people-are-lgtbq]

that’s not really the point….

it’s not the actual person calling themselves aroace. It’s someone who thought it would be funny to call Trump by aromatic terminology in order to make fun of Aros

[popnkinnie]

They reblogged from someone who is extremely ableist so like tbh I don’t care if op said sorry bc now it’s hella clear it’s just because they got caught and got dragged for it.

[fumbledeegrumble]

Exclusionists are only sorry when they get caught, fucking confirmed

[popnkinnie]

Ironic how the post itself is even ableist, I don’t agree w/ ophelia’s past discourse nor am I v fond of her but making posts tying to dissect how someone responds to stuff is really gross??? We’re not test subjects or things you can discuss, shit like this. Comes off REALLY gross and weird.

[fumbledeegrumble]

I agree, it feels like Gayhets is sitting there going off condescendingly at ophelia’s legit sexual trauma… like, GH doesn’t have a great track record with showing genuine sympathy, everything they say about aces is tipped with sarcasm and mockery, so I can’t see GH telling an ace person to “get help” without it being behind a huge grin. this is disgusting.

[bitter-bitchbites]

....and in this day i still crave death.