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Muffin theory
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I put off getting my prescription until the last day the pharmacy was holding it, so they put it in their safe, and then the safe broke, so now I can't get my Ritalin.
im so tired of everything in critical autism studies being about masking these days oh my god. like part of that is personal (i never felt like I "masked" growing up, since that suggests a degree of attention to/care for other people that i and the original just didn't really have. and now, given my current professional life, i don't really feel the need to mask being autistic at least?)
another part of it is just. how weird the discourse around it is. like it's something so Uniquely Different and Special (and Worse) than the literal decades of work about stigma management, closeting/coming out, passing as all sorts of racialized and gendered identities, etc. i do have Thoughts about how the word "masking" could be made to mean something more analytically pointed and specific, but that's not really in line with how most people use it.
(i just got some peer reviews back can you tell.)
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@chavisory I have a feeling you'd appreciate this.
every fucking time i say that therapists have not helped me and have done either noting or made my conditions worse people say "Well those we bad therapists, you need to find a good therapist" i also need to find a magical fucking unicorn Melissa. also like most therapist are not meant to handle more than one severe issue, if you have PTSD and Autism they don't know what to do with themselves, never mind if have any more complex conditions on top of that.
Like we simply cannot no true Scotsman our way out of facing systemic issues in a psychiatric system which regularly and repeatedly traumatizes people
The fact that I have been helped by most of the therapists I have seen does not mean that they are inherently "good" therapists. It just means that they are competent at dealing with my specific issues and see me, specifically, as competent to make my own decisions and worth taking seriously if I disagree with them.
Lord, grant me the strength to throw away this box that i'll never use, the courage to throw away this box that i'll never use, and the wisdom to throw away this box that i'll never use
Lord, grant me the strength to close this browser tab I haven't looked at in three days, etc.
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The researchers used a mathematical model to translate light exposure under each time policy, based on local sunrise and sunset times, to circadian burden — essentially, how much a person’s innate clock has to shift to keep up with the 24-hour day.
They found that over a year, most people would experience the least circadian burden under permanent standard time, which prioritizes morning light. The benefits vary somewhat by a person’s location within a time zone and their chronotype — whether they prefer early mornings, late nights or something in between.
Counterintuitively, people who are morning larks, who make up about 15% of the population and tend to have circadian cycles shorter than 24 hours, would experience the least circadian burden under permanent daylight savings time, as more evening light would extend their circadian cycles closer to 24 hours.
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Why is that counterintuitive? It seems pretty intuitive to me.
What is with these "night owls" who can simply shift their schedules earlier by an hour once a year and can I have some of their melatonin please.
If we stopped changing the clocks for daylight saving(s?) time, which way would you like to the time to be?
I want more sunlight...
...In the morning
...In the evening
Just got off the phone with a health insurance company representative. As those things go, it was fairly pleasant.
The lady on the other end kept calling me "Miss [firstname]", which I wasn't wild about. Slightly for gender reasons, but mostly because it made me feel like she was treating me like a child, even though there was nothing else in her manner to suggest that. I think I have that association because the only people who have ever called me Miss [firstname] have been teachers, and not usually my favorite teachers. And it occurs to me that may have been the exact opposite of what she intended.
Still, if you must call me Miss, I'd rather you call me Miss [lastname].
Okay so. So decomposing executive function problems, and the things people grapple with, is a thing that I've been chewing over lately. We talk a lot on Tumblr about executive dysfunction but that's a pretty broad category of brain no worky good, and I'm honestly really curious: for other folks who struggle with executive dysfunction, which specific function causes the most problems for you day to day?
If you have more than one thing you struggle with, pick the one that causes you the most problems day to day.
If you have executive function issues, which function fucks you up the most?
behavioral inhibition/impulse control
attentional inhibition/ability to choose what to focus on
working memory/holding information in your mind while working on it
cognitive flexibility/ability to switch frameworks by situation or change tasks
motor initiation/ability to start new behaviors you want to do
emotional regulation / ability to calm yourself down or control emotions
cognitive inhibition / ability to filter irrelevant stimuli out of your mind
planning out approaches to solve problems and reach goals
something not mentioned here (please elaborate!)
I don't have any known executive dysfunction / see results
so here's the dirty little secret from when I put this poll out last year:
technically, motor initiation is not a form of executive dysfunction. this is because cognitive psychologists don't think about motor behavior as part of the same continuum as cognitive dysfunction, and the "executive" in "executive function" is all about performing cognitive tasks. Specifically, these are skills that are conceptualized as top-down "cognitive control" abilities that help us obtain our goals without letting those goals get eroded by pesky environmental or internal influences. Executive function is fuzzily defined in the academic literature at the best of times--much less the way we discuss it in popular media and social media!--but that much everyone seems to agree on.
And that means that motor initiation is.... not an executive dysfunction! Because motor initiation isn't cognitive.
For this reason, motor initiation is pretty much the exclusive domain of Parkison's researchers. which is fascinating to me, because a lot of aspects of decisionmaking happen in the striatum, and the striatum moves seamlessly from integrating information in the ventral striatum for decisionmaking right up into the dorsal striatum, which handles--you guessed it!--motor movements and initiations.
that said, there is pretty clearly something going on here for people with broader executive dysfunctions, particularly for people with ADHD and autistic people. the best research I am currently aware of on the topic comes from Amitta Shah's Catatonia, Shutdown and Breakdown in Autism (2019), but that work is relatively focused on people who are deep in the throes of breakdown and have more severe presentations than we usually see folks discussing on the socials.
(commented first, but also wanted to reblog)
i wonder if maybe the issue is badly named/categorized. like the issue of wanting to do something but not being able to start doing it doesn't seem like a MOTOR issue to me? it's not about whether i can physically do the motions of the thing it's about whether i can translate desire to do a thing into ...will to do the thing. does that make sense?
I mean, I am not gonna simp for executive function as currently categorized here; I agree that the way it's usually categorized by cognitive neuroscientists as a top-down process really doesn't do a good job of recapitulating the brain as it truly exists. I have been particularly enjoying the critiques levied by Koziol et al (2013) on the topic tonight as I round up definitions and discussions on what exactly executive function is for my evening's reading.
however, I am going to gently push back on the motor thing, because I think that there's something getting missed here: if there isn't a motor dimension, then deciding to do the thing should be immediately followed by physically moving in the direction of the task without requiring a buildup of willpower to move the body at all. I'm being really persnickety here about task initiation / motor initiation because the point of decision--the point at which you go, okay, here's what we're doing next--is the last strictly cognitive point on the continuum from "having a desire to do X" to "physically doing X with my body." Most people do not have to build up a critical mass of willpower to self-initiate movement and transition to a new task. You know who does, though?
Parkinson's patients. In their case this is usually considered as part of a motor pathology! And that's because they aren't able to as easily self-initiate movements upon deciding to perform them: they often have to struggle to build up momentum to perform actions (unless taking advantage of external stimulation to initiate movement). Since these are problems that people who work on dysfunctions of motor systems have identified and work on today, I think it's reasonable to frame them as motor problems even in populations that haven't traditionally been classified as dealing with the same kinds of motor issues. This is especially true because paradoxical kinesis--that is, when impairment in motor actions often goes away when an external stimulus provides an impetus to move--is also a feature of these dysfunctions, just as it often seems to be for folks with autism and/or ADHD.
i just want to share two things. One, this paper exploring the term "autistic inertia" and recognising that some of what the term covers may be a mild catatonia-like experience (so, motor issue) https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.631596/full
The second thing kind of has two parts, both my own personal experiences that i suspect is more common than recognised.
I had an autism and ADHD diagnosis. What i actually had was a very dysregulated sensory system, and my brain was basicolly on a perpetual brownout, shutting down processing to various areas. I consider this dissociative in nature as it helped me cope with horrid sensory experiences & overload with out any acute discomfort.
As my sensory system got regulated, my ADHD meds stopped helping, so i reduced the dose then stopped taking thew. I no longer experience ADHD-related difficulties around attention and such. I now only make stupid little mistakes & forgetfulness when i'm dysregulated / overloaded. I have not yet yound any clinical literature (though i haven't looked hard) describing this type of experience, though so far every single person with sensory issues that i have described how this experience feels has said "i think i get that a bit")
The second thing is emotions. If you've spent your life (whether with the issues i'm describing, or actual autism- or adhd-related difficulties doing stuff (or a combination)) you are very likely going to have at least some very very deeply ingrained emotional aversions to tasks, which in my experience has been super hard to recognise and has been the hardest thing for me to change (and i'm lucky enough to be in a low-pressure environment!)
There's a tendency i think for people at least in the West to not value emotions very much. The devaluing means we don't have much respect for them and how they affect us, and it means we are understimating just how much they influence everyday life, and how difficult emotions (especially deeply-ingrained ones like attitudes) actually are to change.
Okay so. So decomposing executive function problems, and the things people grapple with, is a thing that I've been chewing over lately. We talk a lot on Tumblr about executive dysfunction but that's a pretty broad category of brain no worky good, and I'm honestly really curious: for other folks who struggle with executive dysfunction, which specific function causes the most problems for you day to day?
If you have more than one thing you struggle with, pick the one that causes you the most problems day to day.
If you have executive function issues, which function fucks you up the most?
behavioral inhibition/impulse control
attentional inhibition/ability to choose what to focus on
working memory/holding information in your mind while working on it
cognitive flexibility/ability to switch frameworks by situation or change tasks
motor initiation/ability to start new behaviors you want to do
emotional regulation / ability to calm yourself down or control emotions
cognitive inhibition / ability to filter irrelevant stimuli out of your mind
planning out approaches to solve problems and reach goals
something not mentioned here (please elaborate!)
I don't have any known executive dysfunction / see results
so here's the dirty little secret from when I put this poll out last year:
technically, motor initiation is not a form of executive dysfunction. this is because cognitive psychologists don't think about motor behavior as part of the same continuum as cognitive dysfunction, and the "executive" in "executive function" is all about performing cognitive tasks. Specifically, these are skills that are conceptualized as top-down "cognitive control" abilities that help us obtain our goals without letting those goals get eroded by pesky environmental or internal influences. Executive function is fuzzily defined in the academic literature at the best of times--much less the way we discuss it in popular media and social media!--but that much everyone seems to agree on.
And that means that motor initiation is.... not an executive dysfunction! Because motor initiation isn't cognitive.
For this reason, motor initiation is pretty much the exclusive domain of Parkison's researchers. which is fascinating to me, because a lot of aspects of decisionmaking happen in the striatum, and the striatum moves seamlessly from integrating information in the ventral striatum for decisionmaking right up into the dorsal striatum, which handles--you guessed it!--motor movements and initiations.
that said, there is pretty clearly something going on here for people with broader executive dysfunctions, particularly for people with ADHD and autistic people. the best research I am currently aware of on the topic comes from Amitta Shah's Catatonia, Shutdown and Breakdown in Autism (2019), but that work is relatively focused on people who are deep in the throes of breakdown and have more severe presentations than we usually see folks discussing on the socials.
(commented first, but also wanted to reblog)
i wonder if maybe the issue is badly named/categorized. like the issue of wanting to do something but not being able to start doing it doesn't seem like a MOTOR issue to me? it's not about whether i can physically do the motions of the thing it's about whether i can translate desire to do a thing into ...will to do the thing. does that make sense?
I mean, I am not gonna simp for executive function as currently categorized here; I agree that the way it's usually categorized by cognitive neuroscientists as a top-down process really doesn't do a good job of recapitulating the brain as it truly exists. I have been particularly enjoying the critiques levied by Koziol et al (2013) on the topic tonight as I round up definitions and discussions on what exactly executive function is for my evening's reading.
however, I am going to gently push back on the motor thing, because I think that there's something getting missed here: if there isn't a motor dimension, then deciding to do the thing should be immediately followed by physically moving in the direction of the task without requiring a buildup of willpower to move the body at all. I'm being really persnickety here about task initiation / motor initiation because the point of decision--the point at which you go, okay, here's what we're doing next--is the last strictly cognitive point on the continuum from "having a desire to do X" to "physically doing X with my body." Most people do not have to build up a critical mass of willpower to self-initiate movement and transition to a new task. You know who does, though?
Parkinson's patients. In their case this is usually considered as part of a motor pathology! And that's because they aren't able to as easily self-initiate movements upon deciding to perform them: they often have to struggle to build up momentum to perform actions (unless taking advantage of external stimulation to initiate movement). Since these are problems that people who work on dysfunctions of motor systems have identified and work on today, I think it's reasonable to frame them as motor problems even in populations that haven't traditionally been classified as dealing with the same kinds of motor issues. This is especially true because paradoxical kinesis--that is, when impairment in motor actions often goes away when an external stimulus provides an impetus to move--is also a feature of these dysfunctions, just as it often seems to be for folks with autism and/or ADHD.
THE WILL OF THE BALL!
(Refers to an anecdote about a patient with Parkinson's who couldn't move their hands no matter how hard they tried—but if you tossed a ball at them, they could catch it. Which did a lot to clue researchers in to the idea that we have more than one way to motivate behaviour. It got talked about a lot when the ADHD community was figuring out body doubling as a concept.)
I think splitting off motor initiation might be a deeply useful concept here. I personally have noticed that my own problems with motor initiation can't be solved with cognitive strategies.
Specifically, to get off my ass and moving, I need to stop thinking, especially about the task I'm planning. It takes a minute of very concentrated focus on my body, putting my feet on the ground and going to the place I need to work in.
I've often had the issue of wanting to solve all my issues cognitively, when the truth is that many times only behavioural techniques will work. It's much harder to think yourself out of loneliness than to go get a hug for it. So this seems like a promising approach.
Right, yes! This is why I've been doing all that work with my dog Matilda: essentially, I've been using her to toss balls at me every time I want to pick a ball up and can't. Obviously, that is not useful for everybody, but I do think there's a lot of scope to using pets (especially at home) in order to provide that external focus. When I find myself stuck these days, I can almost always ask Matilda to come and nudge me and then I can do whatever I need to--usually as soon as I get the pressure from Matilda's attention and expectation to move.
A while back I asked folks if just wiggling their hands or their toes helped when they were physically stuck, and it didn't seem to help everyone but it helped a lot of people. I think that's something that should be a more well-known trick: sometimes, just getting motion going can make it more helpful to get your body moving to do the thing you'd like it to. I promised to explain why I thought that was helpful at the time, but then the grant mechanism I was applying for got shitcanned under the new Trump administration and the depression got me.
Here's what I think is happening.
Layperson's anecdotal musings here, but I've often wondered whether this kind of inertia is actually a learned response (which then causes corresponding changes in the brain) rather than an inherent neurological issue.
Based on the difference for example that I see in my brother's ADHD and my own issues, I think we actually have the same impairment, but I sort of.... cut off the hyperactivity as a child.
I started out fidgetty and hypersocial and too loud the same way he did, but for gender reasons, I got sanctioned a lot harder for it. (Boys will be boys, but girls have to learn how to sit still and be quiet...) But the sense of restlessness and chaotic "five thought processes happening at once" is still there internally, it just doesn't translate to an outward physical response anymore.
(Which I'm guessing is actually a common experience and could account for the different presentations of "male" (hyperactive) and "female" (daydreaming) ADHD. Our brains start out the same, but we're raised very differently.)
Similarly, in autism, stimming behaviours are stigmatised and even young children are often taught to suppress any undesired movement. (And the more "obviously disabled" a child is, the more that conditioning is going to be brutally reminiscent of training a dog. It's a more intentional, and I'd argue "mask off" version of what ADHD kids get.)
So I'm wondering whether essentially forcing children to subconsciously sever the connection between mind and body to some degree, to suppress hyperactivity/stimming, could then lead to an inability to purposefully access that connection and cause the body to move anymore, unless directly prompted from outside.
#speaking for myself: from the inside it feels like instead of the impulse control we were meant to learn#we were taught impulse suppression#and that mechanism doesn't discriminate between the unhelpful impulse to rearrange all my furniture at 2 am#and the intentional impulse to stop scrolling through tumblr and go mow the lawn on a sunny afternoon#when there is nothing stopping me and it badly needs doing#everything gets blocked by default#and there is a high threshold for pushing past that
Relatable. I think I would have been on the more daydreamy end either way, but my environment definitely pushed me a lot farther in that direction (I'm sure there was a gendered component to it, but it wasn't as stark as in OP's case).
Re: some of the earlier reblogs, I was trying to figure out whether the block was happening in the cognitive or motor side of things for me. Sometimes it feels like I couldn't make a decision, rather than that I made a decision but couldn't follow through on it. But if standing up takes more effort for me than it takes for an average person, of course I'm going to be more reluctant to make that decision. And sometimes I make the decision, but the decision doesn't immediately translate in to action, and then before it can, I get distracted.
Someone on here recently reblogged a post that started with a poll--"which executive function do you struggle the most with"--and there was a long reblog chain talking about how motor inertia isn't really an executive functioning issue, with what seemed like a lot of interesting information.
Does anyone have a link to that post? I can't find it.
Still looking for this post.
Genuinely curious bc everybody seems to think I'm nuts for folding my laundry as soon as it comes out of the dryer:
after you do laundry, do you fold the clothes on the same day?
yes
no wtf
Where's the option for "no, I don't usually, but it is the more sensible option which I would take if I reliably had the executive functioning"?
Anyone else notice how in a lot of the “self-care isn’t X, it’s Y” posts, X is always something that is genuinely helpful to some disabled people, and Y is often, like, shit you’d hear at a corporate wellness seminar? Or on a productivity-hacks-to-make-sure-you’ve-got-time-for-your-side-hustle-on-top-of-your-full-time-job podcast?
Like, I have really bad executive functioning issues and sensory issues. So, when someone’s like “self-care isn’t eating frozen pizza/ordering take away, it’s meal prepping” I’m like, cool, but what if the only meal prep you’ve got left takes more spoons to reheat than you’ve got? What if your sensory issues are really bad today, and you can’t stomach the stuff you’ve got prepped?
At that point, frozen pizza or ordering in is self-care because self-care is making sure I can eat at all.
Or, like, “self-care isn’t buying fancy skincare products, it’s doing a daily meditation and yoga practice”.
Like, I see fancy skincare products used as a target a lot, despite the fact that sometimes you genuinely are paying for quality. Like, the only make-up remover that doesn’t upset my psoriasis is from Clinique, and, like, my instinct is to go “that’s too expensive” and not buy it, but the self-care choice for me is to actually find that room in my budget and buy the damn products because I have to wear make-up for work and this saves my skin.
And I also do yoga and meditation, and I like them and do find them helpful.
You know who else likes that I do them? Every corporate wellness goon in existence because it makes me a more productive worker.
That’s not why I do it, but I do wonder what the motivation is when people are recommending it over other forms of self-care.
And, like, don’t get me wrong, I get it. There are people who use “self-care” when they are specifically just looking to shirk responsibilities, and it has been co-opted to mean “buy stuff” in some cases, but blanket statements of “X is never self-care” very often just end up making disabled people who do need X feel like shit. And, you know, unfortunately, we do live under capitalism, under which there is no ethical consumption. Sometimes we do need to buy shit. So, I’m not really here for the idea that any self-care that requires a purchase, no matter how small, isn’t really self-care, because that’s not how society works. Yes, it’s shit that it’s been co-opted, but spending £25 on a new keyboard because you’ve got arthritis and would like to not be in as much pain is still self-care, even if a purchase was made.
Reblogging (with slight edits to remove the name of a shop that I used to use before they donated to a transphobic charity) because my roommate who usually cooks is going out tonight, and I had my first meeting at my new job, followed by hours of training this afternoon, so my choices are to order in food, just snack all evening, or not eat at all.
And then I saw a post about how ordering in isn’t self-care and I’m just like [internal screaming]
Ultimately, self care is not letting internet randos tell you what self care is and isn’t
I think a lot of the people shouting about how “eat your vegetables” self care is the only real type are people who got trapped in downward spirals when they tried to rely on “eat cake” self care, but that doesn’t mean the “eat your vegetables” approach is sufficient on its own. (In fact, it can lead to downward spirals too. The amazingly sucky thing about self care is that basically all acts that you intended as self care can backfire and it takes years of learning yourself to figure out what works when for you specifically.)
i am not a psychiatrist but i do find it really weird how autism checklists are so often focused on "outward" signs of autism rather than what is going on internally. i don't know how to explain it but "do you make eye contact with other people" feels like a much less relevant question than "how does it feel when you have to make eye contact with other people?"
while i'm here, the other one that always pisses me off is "do you interpret idioms literally, for example 'bull in a china shop'?"
well, no, obviously. i know what "bull in a china shop" means because that is a popular phrase with a clearly defined meaning. and if i hadn't heard it before, then i would still not interpret it literally, because it has the cadence of an idiom and i would probably be able to work out from context what it meant. what is the point of this question
third and final complaint: "are you good at noticing subtext?"
i feel like the problem with this question is best illustrated by a conversation i had with a friend a while back, where i said something like, "i feel very safe with you because you don't do subtle hints and you are always very straight-up with me about what you are thinking and feeling."
and he laid a hand on my shoulder and was like, look dude i'm gonna be straight up here. i am subtle with you constantly and you simply do not notice <3
From the other side: I wasn't great at social subtext as a kid, but slowly and subconsciously picked it up in my teens. Which led to a period when I was 16-17 when I'm pretty sure I was picking up most of the actual social subtext, but at the time I was half-convinced there was a whole 'nother layer of subtext I was missing.
I haven't been watching as much LinkedIn Learning recently, because I didn't think it was doing much to make me a better programmer.
I just realized that while they were not doing that on their own, watching them did get me in the mood to program, thus ensuring that I got more practice and became a better programmer.
Someone on here recently reblogged a post that started with a poll--"which executive function do you struggle the most with"--and there was a long reblog chain talking about how motor inertia isn't really an executive functioning issue, with what seemed like a lot of interesting information.
Does anyone have a link to that post? I can't find it.