if you don't mind explaining. What is xenosatanism? I've heard it before but never the definition
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I don't think we've seen a clear definition before but I watched the video on radqueers by Jessicur (go watch it btw) and from what I remember:
- acceptance for ALL transids and ""transition"" for all of them including transharmed/transharmful (ex. Transgroomer will be encouraged to talk to kids online and pretend to be a kid to access kids' spaces)
- complete abolishment of the age of consent, legalization of bestiality
- legalization of CP/CSEM and allowing minors to make and distribute sexual content
- pro-contact and contact is often encouraged for all paraphilias including the big 3
That's all I can get from the top of my head but it's stuff like that. Radqueer bullshit but on every drug in the universe
Actually it's a lot worse than you think. This is a really long post so it's hidden under a cut which contains both the current and original xenosatanism principles and goals but here are some of them:
Adults and humans should be allowed to fuck animals and children
Rape can be non harmful and should be legal and destigmatized
TransIDs should be allowed to fully transition
Children should be allowed to do sex work
Incest should be legal and socially encouraged
They do have good points which is disgusting when paired with "non-consentual but harmless sexual interaction should be legal". Such good points are:
Alterhuman rights
Paraphile rights (paraphile ≠ predator)
Body mod rights
Youth lib
There are more but I'll let y'all find them, consider it a game or smth
Original Xenosatanist (Non-Exhaustive List) of Principles:
Pro transid rights
Pro alterhuman rights
Pro para rights
Pro predator (specified beastalitors, but this is what they actually mean)
Full legalization and normalization of body modifications, as well proper education on the risks
Pro transhumanism (the belief that humans should use technology to enhance longevity, cognition, and well-being)
Desacralision and destigmatisation of sex, sexualisation, and nudity
Unsegregated pornography and other ‘obscene’ materials (should be accessible everywhere to everyone)
Public sex, nudity, and pornography should be legalized and socially encouraged
You liberation, anti-adultism, anti-ageism
Abolition of the age of consent
Abolition on the age of majority
Full legalization of both real and fictional cp
Full legalization of sex work (even, to some extent and under certain conditions, for minors of all ages)
Incest legalized, banalized, and socially encouraged
Legalization and social banalisation (perception) of beastiality
Depathologisation and social banalisation (perception) of kinks and paraphilias
Destigmatization of self harm (people should be free to engage in self harm as long as they want it, and if it’s not too dangerous)
Destigmatization and desacralization to some extent of rape, molestation, sexual abuse (bcs of a priori and retrospective harm induced by internalized social norms. Tho, we don’t want harmful rape to be fully legal)
Depending on the case, non-consensual but harmless sexual interaction should be leal and not stigmatized
Anti-psychiatry
Anti-maladism (currently crafting this concept)
Anti-saneism
Moderate to high anti-suicidism (suicidism is the oppression of suicidal individuals)
Pro euthanasia, assisted suicide, and non conventional ways for suicide (for people with a long and persistant desire to die)
Drugs liberation
Legalisation n social banalisation of cannibalism and commercialisation of human flesh
Drastic renewal of the organization of the public space (and we also plead for urban cyberpunk aestheics)
Drastic school reforms
Depathologisation of queer behaviours
Pro surrogacy
Prolonged delay for abortion (how far, yet to be determined)
Extended free speech (how far yet to be determined, we would like complete free speech but it could be very counterproductive to our own goals)
Pro hunting
Political bisexualism
Deconstructionism (not to be confused with Derrida’s deconstruction) as a tool to break down and analyse social constructs, system of belief of whatever kind, should be widely used in society
Nihilism (separating value judgements and other subjective mental constructs from facts), and relativism (hierarchisation of facts is arbitrary, thus it’s inverted and not inherent to facts), and more globally anti-realist stances, should be widespread positions in society
Updated Xenosatanist Beliefs:
Pro TransID, broadly a pro-transition stance on transIDs.
Pro paraphilia, with a focus on paraphile rights and acceptance. Broadly a pro-contact stance on paraphilias.
Kink-positivity
Pro alterhuman.
Full legalization and normalization of any kind of body modifications; requirement to fully inform an individual of the consequences and risks of a given body modification.
Pro transhumanism (the position that human beings should be permitted to use technology to modify and enhance human cognition and bodily function.)
Youth Liberation (the campaigning for minors to gain access to basic human rights and bodily autonomy.)
Anti-ageism
Abolition of the age of consent and abolition of the age of majority, as a furthered goal of youth liberation. To no longer have a defined class of people acceptable to mistreat and oppress because of their age. Additionally, an attempt to mitigate harm caused by statutory rape laws.
Legalization and destigmatisation of incest.
Destigmatization of self harm, with the exception of particularly dangerous/life-threatening actions.
Dissolving or reworking of most obscenity and sexual assault-based laws, to erase or mitigate harm caused to "victims" and "perpetrators" of said laws, who are prosecuted despite a lack of harm. Click here for an expanded list of the laws and social norms this point refers to.
Anti-psychiatry
Anti-sanism
Anti-suicidism (the oppression of suicidal individuals.)
Pro euthanasia, assisted suicide, and non conventional ways for suicide (for individuals with a long and persistent desire to die)
Drugs liberation.
Legalization of cannibalism and commercialization of human flesh as a food item, with informed consent about the consequences and risks of cannibalism for the consumer.
Drastic renewal of the organization of the public space, with a focus on urban cyberpunk aesthetics.
Drastic school reforms.
Depathologisation of queer behaviors and identities.
Pro-surrogacy.
Prolonged delay for abortion.
Pro hunting.
Political biseuxalism (similar to political lesbianisn, political bisexualism is the belief that it is progressive and necessary to identify as bisexual for a political purpose.
Relatavism should be a widespread ideology held by society
Once again r/antiradqueer providing great reading material. The first one is just a CNC kink, just learn what kink is for fucks sake.
The second one. Just. Wtf. That's disgusting. Wtf is wrong with you.
I don't like the phrase "seek therapy" but if you genuinely think you are a danger to people to the point that you're identifying as TRANSMASSSHOOTER then I think you need to seek some professional help to deal with these thoughts and feelings. I mean this with as much care as I have the ability to give, you need to talk to someone.
What if I killed myself from the guilt and sorrow and hatred and they never knew. What if they never knew losing them was like ripping off a piece of my very existence and now I'm suffering the effects of my own stupidity with nothing to show for it. What if they never knew that my life has been significantly better without them in it but every time I think of them and what I lost I want to kill myself. They'd never have to worry if I killed myself. They wouldn't have to think of me ever again.
What if I killed myself from the guilt and sorrow and hatred and they never knew. What if they never knew losing them was like ripping off a piece of my very existence and now I'm suffering the effects of my own stupidity with nothing to show for it. What if they never knew that my life has been significantly better without them in it but every time I think of them and what I lost I want to kill myself. They'd never have to worry if I killed myself. They wouldn't have to think of me ever again.
I don't know how to explain to the person that I rely on that despite me not physically needing a cane, using one would make my soul happy. I have access to one and I need to go get it but it's gonna have to be a hide-it-and-use-it-elsewhere situation because she does not understand </3
The duality of me having contact with someone who used to be my atp (in like a really toxic way where I used to rely on them for supply but they didn't like me that much because I suck):
I don't know how to explain to the person that I rely on that despite me not physically needing a cane, using one would make my soul happy. I have access to one and I need to go get it but it's gonna have to be a hide-it-and-use-it-elsewhere situation because she does not understand </3
genuine question: what is the difference between munchausen’s and radqueer transabled/transdisabled/transid labels? what is your stance on radqueer/transid?
asker is not radqueer/transid, if that helps. i hope this isn’t rude or anything, i just want to know the difference
That is actually a very good question, Anon. I don't find it rude, in fact I appreciate your effort to be respectful about your question.
While I do think the two have a propensity to overlap, they are very different things in that Munchausen itself is a mental illness developed to cope with trauma, whereas radqueer/transid labels are more of a societal identity thing. I think the best way to juxtapose the differences would be to compare it to the concept of being transgender. We don't call people who are transgender mentally ill anymore, and I think that holds true with transids in concept.
Munchausen very much is a mental illness. It's less about identifying with an illness or having an illness and more like simply wanting to have that illness for any number of reasons. You don't necessarily identify with having it, but still want it. They'll outright lie about, even, saying that they have it even without actually identifying with it. In contrast, a trans person identifies as the gender they are already, whether or not they fit the criteria. Transids, to my knowledge, function the same way.
Of course, that still leaves room for overlap. Transids who transition do end up looking a lot like people with Munchausen who lean more into the inducing aspect. Both will do things to give themselves their desired condition, or otherwise make it feel more real.
In that sense, I think the key difference here is the motivations. People with Munchausen are less about having the illness because they think they should (for lack of a better way to phrase it) and more about wanting the illness for other reasons—to externalize their trauma, to vie for attention, etc. Naturally there will be some who are also transid, and so also feel like they should have it regardless and the attention and such is a bonus. The two are not mutually exclusive and that causes a lot more overlap and confusion, I think. I hope that makes sense.
I would also like to note as an aside that I do not have BIID, and so I cannot and will not comment on the particular differences between that and transid labels. I'm sure there are differences, but that's a beast I'm not equipped to articulate.
As for my stance? I'm not... actively radqueer or transid myself, but due to the nature of this overlap I have inevitably found myself hovering on the periphery of such spaces. At most, I've found in passing that a lot of my politics about autonomy and the like overlap with theirs. As such, I am decidedly neutral on whatever business they get up to.
Radqueers and transid folk are free to discuss, just be civil about it, please.
There is definitely an overlap and I've even mentioned before how I myself would probably have used certain transabled terms had I not learned more about the community (which I will not discuss here cuz it's irrelevant) and my own FD. I would like to point out that, from what I am aware, transabled did start out as a BIID term before it was used by the transID community.