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[parvfait]

does anyone have adrien harem fanfic? i think i rarely saw it, i need some entertainment lolol

[arlakos]

An introspection on MLB fandom salt vs canon.

You know, I remember seeing a bunch of salt stories where Marinette was being forcibly tied to Adrien by fate itself (usually symbolised by red string), usually created because Adrien said one time that they were "meant to be together" and took that as entitlement. Of course, these fics were Adrien salt as it were.

Now look at the show 6 seasons later.

Adrien is pretty much tied to Marinette at the hip. His girlfriend and foster mother keep the truth about his father's villainy hidden from him. Any friends Adrien makes suddenly now have to be Marinette's otherwise she will follow them till they either submit or stop being friends with Adrien. She even risks breaking Adrien's amok just to stop a villain. Worst of all, Marinette is a horrible girlfriend, literally running off on an event if everything doesn't go picture fucking perfect and leaving Adrien to pick up the pieces. Adrien is being treated like a cross between manequin and a porcalein doll, made to dress up and wow Marinette's life while being treated with lies and deception so that he doesn't "break".

The only difference between the show and the salt fics (aside from the target) is the method: salt fics have Adrien forcing himself on Marinette; canon has Marinette gaslight Adrien's entire life to pretend everything is fine, either because out of a misplace sense of love or because of the fact that it would ruin her own happy goddamn ending.

[jennrypan]

..too many people are tryna give Marinette a pass cuz shes 14 and whatever the fuck. She's not 14 anymore, and not to mention.

Adrien and Alya got dogged on for way less for YEARS and they were around the same age and they haven't done nearly as much shit as Marinette has. Adrien got flamed just for destroying a damn chimney.

Compare that to her breaking his fucking amok. (Or a girl's prosthetics cuz she couldn't let Adrien have a damn friend that isn't also her friend.) Like..No, she isn't getting sympathy from me cuz she hasn't learned a damn thing. She's still not treating Chat as her equal partner and she's still consistently lying to Adrien and she's STILL going ballistic over him being around girls.

No. This isn't salt to point out exactly what She's done and has been doing, there's no excuse for that nonsense and the show brushing it off as "haha classic Marinette" is an issue. Cuz if thats her usually..she needs to fix it. Idc

[jennrypan]

It irks me that Kagami is just..apart of the "girls" group so much cuz..she should be Adriens close friend, someone he can confide in like Luka is to Marinette..but EVERYONES in Marinettes corner so hard.

Like..Adrien was so upset about Luka leaving but in all of the seasons, they logically arent that close of friends fr. Cuz this show NEVER shows much about the guy friendships. Like Adrien was more upset about Luka leaving than Marinette was apparently.

Just..Adrien deserves to have an inner circle that isnt infiltrated by Marinette at every turn. Cuz..honestly after learning about Marinette and the others bullshit, he should have a circle he trusts. Like..Nino is right there and Sublime cuz Sublime should NOT be cool with Marinette after her nonsense when they first met.

[foggygloom]

Adrien doesn’t have a friend.

“But what about Alya, Marinette, Nino or Kagami!”

Nino and Adrien barely spend any time together because Nino is now set as Alya’s boyfriend

Kagami is just now Marinette’s friend and apart of her girl group and we never see Adrien and Kagami interact with each other

Alya and Adrien never really interacted, so they aren’t friends

And Marinette doesn’t see Adrien as a friend, only as a boyfriend/trophy and I’m pretty sure their bond isn’t strong like a actual couple that see each other as both romantically involved and best friends

“B-But he has Sublime!”

Does he? The only episode we ever see them interact is in the episode Sublime and I’m pretty sure they’re not even in the friend status but Sublime is now Marinette’s friend

Adrien has no close friends he can talk to or hangout with.

[parvfait]

and the least he could get is getting angry at these people who basically lied and betrayed him, but watch the fandom calling him selfish 💀

[foggygloom]

Adrien doesn’t have a friend.

“But what about Alya, Marinette, Nino or Kagami!”

Nino and Adrien barely spend any time together because Nino is now set as Alya’s boyfriend

Kagami is just now Marinette’s friend and apart of her girl group and we never see Adrien and Kagami interact with each other

Alya and Adrien never really interacted, so they aren’t friends

And Marinette doesn’t see Adrien as a friend, only as a boyfriend/trophy and I’m pretty sure their bond isn’t strong like a actual couple that see each other as both romantically involved and best friends

“B-But he has Sublime!”

Does he? The only episode we ever see them interact is in the episode Sublime and I’m pretty sure they’re not even in the friend status but Sublime is now Marinette’s friend

Adrien has no close friends he can talk to or hangout with.

[parvfait]

you know what, at this point the show should just make marinette/ladybug the only character in the show because like... i don't think other characters actually have roles in this story. she is shown as the problem solver, the strongest hero, the guardian who hold the power over miraculous, the good moral person who loved by everyone and those who hated her are basically the villains

...

yeah. really, what is the point of other characters when they didn't seem to do anything to the main character's development? let's just make this a one man show, shall we?

[parvfait]

hoping to get an episode revolving on adrien without him revolving on marinette, i need him to get a life, not just from her, but also from what he wants and desires. let him have a life outside her, outside being her boyfriend, outside being the perfect boy, outside all of that!

dont come at me with "marinette is the main character, of course she would be the focus!" y'all know right there are a lot of series where a few of their episodes didn't have the main character as its focus, especially in this slice of life, heroes series? even sometimes the main character only appeared at the end

[parvfait]

yeah whatever happened in the new episode, i hope there are actual consequences and not just let it all slide. i mean like i don't mind how fucked up people were treating adrien right now, only if they got the consequences of what they did and adrien actually was able to blame them and get mad at them because that the least he could get (yeah, he should have gotten more than just this shitty treatment)

[parvfait]

y'all cowards never make beauty and the beast au with ladrien. im tired seeing it with marichat, and barely any variety in it (or maybe i havent found the right one). but why can we get more of marinette as the beast instead? i need marinette with a sick scary cool actual bug form and adrien who actually wouldn't mind about it! 👊🏻👊🏻 because like lets just be honest if there's anyone between the two who wouldnt actually get scared or disgusted, its more on adrien 🤷🏻‍♀️

[cookiedough77]

why of every au i think of i need to add lukadrien please end this madness

[angelshizuka]

https://www.tumblr.com/bugsandboos/784755105099628544/a-compiled-list-of-everything-adrien-doesnt-know?source=share

So wanted you to see this and at this point does this boy know anything.

I remember one of the arguments TA made was something about how back in the day the male hero was always the center even if the plot was actually about the female damsel and literally all they're doing is just a gender reversal, but no... that's not how this works. Even back then, generally speaking, the women knew what was going on and what/who they were being saved from.

I also made a post about this 1-2 years ago, as someone who loves damsels in distress type characters (no matter the gender), it's honestly hilarious to me how TA tries to force Adrien into that role to try and prop up Marinette, because he's literally incapable of understanding damsels in distress can be likable characters when actually written properly. Not all of us are interested in "strong independent heroes" (for the record, I love heroes, I'm just sick and tired of the "I have to do this alone/needing help is weak" tropes in modern media and one of the appeals of ML for me has always been the Ladynoir teamwork).

There is literally zero excuse for keeping all this information from Adrien, unless TA wants to be a victim blamer/abuse apologist (tbf he already is). Like, if this was actually leading up to a big blow up of the truth coming out and Marinette facing actual consequences for it and the truth actually centering Adrien for a change, that's one thing. But there's not a cell in my body that trusts ML with this.

[richardsphere]

So there's a strange "defense" of Miraculous I've seen crop up on occasion. The idea that everything wrong about the Lovesquare powerdynamic is deliberate and will all be explored next season (lets put aside that this defense has been cropping up for 3 seasons now). The claim that Soon(TM), the writers are gonna make the characters face the concequences and explore the fallout of the entire jenga-tower of BS they've been "carefully" setting up all along... Which... isnt a defense I vibe with, cause it fundamentally boils down to "its not a Kids Rolemodel Show, its a deconstruction of a Kids Rolemodel Show". It's a defence that would place Marinette alongside Tyler Durden, Walter White and Rick Sanchez in the "you werent supposed to relate to them" pantheon. And while i think there are plenty of reasons that deconstruction is a usefull tool (even if i hate the dime-a-dozen "Childrens Fairytale but its depression" and "Superman, but psycho"' decon-stories out there). I'd argue 'Kids Rolemodel Show' is the one genre that should never be deconstructed, or at least not in the slow-burn,long-form way the people arguing this claim the show to be doing. And i hold that stance for one simple two-part reason: Poe's law, and the fact that the deconstructed genre is aimed at an audience with absolute zero media-literacy. (reminder: "5-6 year old kids" is the one audience where that is not an insult, simply a statement of fact.) A show aimed deconstructing a genre with an audience for whom it may actually be their first big piece of media is legitimately dangerous. Because there is no way a 5 year old can be expected to tell "deconstruction of a formulaic kids cartoon" from "Formulaic kids cartoon". The idea that "they've been making Marinette into a bad example deliberately and are going to reveal the entire show to have been a carefull ruse in season 6/7" is supposed to be a defense? Its frankly absurd. A 6 year kid who watched the show when it first aired and idolised Ladybug, could be old enough to drink by the time S6 reveals she was supposed to be a bad example. A little girl who based her relationships on the way Mari pursues romance would have a restraining order by the time the show indends to pull this twist. And some of y'all are claiming that "actually its a long-form deconstruction" is a defense? I legit don't get y'all.

[electraslight]

everybody wants to love you

(good lord this is gonna be a bitch to tag)

[erisluna35]

Hot take: Gabriel could've said nothing as his dying wish and Marinette would've still ended up lying her ass off to the world about Gabriel being a goddamn hero.

The person she's doing it for is ADRIEN. Not friggin Gabriel. It's ADRIEN'S not so happy reaction to his father's abuse and subsequent death that she couldn't handle. It's ADRIEN she lied for and she made it everyone's problem.

Gabriel left behind a lot of damage before he left but controlling Marinette? Hah. Maybe some of you should rethink putting any blame on Chloe for letting Gabriel manipulate her into being Queen Mayor next time.

All this to say, fuck no Gabriel was controlling Marinette from beyond the grave. It's Adrien whose cage has been reinforced by Marinette. Cause he just had to be too emotional that day. Just like Gabriel said a long time ago. Funny how Marinette just had to agree with Gabriel and put Adrien back in the cage. Cause she couldn't handle it either.

[parvfait]

if there will be another chat blanc related episode, i hope it's heavily focused on adrien himself. the idea of 'the one who can defeat him is himself' feels like a great potential for his character, rather than entirely focusing on 'he needs marinette/ladybug's love.'

gintama movie in 2013 that i recently rewatched had a similar concept with chat blanc, where gintoki faced his future self whose virus began to rot the world and he had to watch that world slowly ruined. his future self mentioned how "gintoki being the only one who can defeat himself," and it meant a lot. during their fights, future gintoki could read gintoki's actions and movements, forcing gintoki himself to change in order to face his future self. and, of course, he didn't do it all alone, especially as gintoki planned to erase his own existence in the past, that will be the source of the virus in the future. he had a lot of people behind his back, the one who supported him, for the sake of their present. so, that plan of erasing himself could be avoid.

so yeah no offense i hate the idea of ladybug being the one who faced chat blanc before and now everyone talks and defends her for having trauma, but somehow that trauma doesn't do anything to develop her character. which is the writer's fault.

i guess this is something that can be tried if the writers want to touch again about chat blanc, though i doubt it cuz so far adrien is only treated like an object, a trophy boyfriend 🙁

welp yep another random rant lol y'all might be tired of seeing me comparing ml with another show 😭

[richardsphere]

Im so sick and tired of people claiming that the current Marinette Controll Arc is 'balancing out' Chat Noir having issues in the early show. In the early show, both Chat and Marinette had 'unrequited crush' issues. But the narrative even then treated them very different. Adricat was actually really good about staying on the 'Im honest with my emotions but acknowledge you dont owe me anything'-side of the 'unrequited love sure is a bitch'-spectrum. Only having 3 or 4 incidents across 4 seasons where his detractors claim he almost-crossed it. Chat in the early show knew very well that his affection was unreciprocated and didn't even pretend his feelings needed to be answered in the positive. His interactions were tinged with flirtation, but they were honest and clearly safe for refusal. Contrasted by Marinette, who crossed moral boundaries for her unrequited love as part of regular episodic structure, to the point of a running gag. And was egged on at every opportunity by her girlsquad to continue breaking more. With the notion of possible-maybe-refusal consistently treated as a fate worse then death. Which is to say that, though obviously Adrien couldn't outright say 'I only like you as a friend' because he didnt know her affection. The idea of him refusing a hang-out scheme was consistently treated like him denying Marinette a victory to which she was entitled. Where Adriens unrequited love was safe-to-refuse and communicated with open honesty. Marinette's affections were treated as a moral obligation and constantly cloaked in schemes, duplicity and manipulation. (IE: Setting up date-activities under false pretenses, the various attacks on other girls).

Marinette's "S5 god-complex abuse apologism gaslight tour" isn't balancing out early cat. Early Marinette's own struggles with unrequited affection did.