I think I'll leave the virago community and hetgnc since the term rolereversal is excluded; I know i am masc before being rolereversal, however, it is a totally special expresión for me.
Furthermore, in this community, it implies that role reversal is very "heteronormative". Honestly, I don't see something as heteronormative if it doesn't have a system to support it, but I guess that's just me.
Why do straight main couples have a system, but rr people don't (neither the hetgnc who likes role reversal)
But that doesn't matter, that's another topic. I identify a lot with Virago but I don't think I'll post anymore. Anyway thank you very much for yall knowledge and activism; about hetgnc people I have never felt as listened In other communities like yall
so, this may not be news to some of you, but i thought it was cool and wanted to share. i suspected this for years, but had no idea the actual scale
you know Man The Hunter? the theory that the "two sexes" evolved differently due to a gendered division of labor that our ancestors practiced? men hunting and women gathering?
its bullshit. turns out they were determining the sex of the skeleton BY THE GENDER ROLES THE PERSON HAD FOLLOWED, and got it wrong about half the time. women were hunting big game. regularly
Scientists have long held that early human men did the hunting and women the gathering. A new review of data on foraging societies in modern
i want to stress: gathering has always been much more essential for sustaining a village. hunter-gatherer societies mostly eat forage (which was also a major source of medicine as well) and if they regularly eat meat, its usually fish, or smaller game (of which are hunted by women in 80% of societies)
big game is more rare, but a third of hunter-gatherer societies regularly teach girls to hunt it. as in, chasing down and killing large mammals.
the data was skewed for so long because male researchers were much less trusted around women and observed them a lot less. big surprise there
anyway, they found more efficient ways of finding the sex of skeletons instead of just looking at them and taking a guess
strict, inflexible gender roles exist to preserve and justify a strict, inflexible patriarchy (that exists to preserve a strict, inflexible hierarchy). they want you to believe that afab and amab bodies "evolved differently" due to hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. and the truth is, there are some differences, but theyre not absolute, they arent as exaggerated as theyve been presented, and they dont make two biologically opposite categories of person. we have very low sexual dimorphism compared to most mammal species and lived in egalitarian societies for most of our existence
anyway, i felt like we needed some good news in this community. if you want to know more about this topic, theres a really cool vid here:
hey, just know that you were really appreciated here, im very sad to see you go. even if you dont continue to use the label, is there a chance of you ever staying in touch with the community again?
The truth is that the virago still holds a very special place for me, but for respect for yall, I will no longer use it.
Because I identify so openly as a rr woman, role-reversal it is a community where every woman, whether masc or femenine, should not be afraid to express her existence Not feeling comfortable with traditional gender/sex roles
Unfortunately, there is still no broad concept or definition of role reversal that is entirely clear and deep for the public, So I understand that it's an unstable term for yall
But I'll keep watching Virago's and Molli content more often, maybe I'll make a 🔄 From time to time
What's causing all the sudden rearrangements? I like them so far, yet It's clear your demeanor has changed quite severely.
It's because of you guys! At first, I thought I've created something small and I felt largely isolated. This community has grown since then and you've come to inspire hope and plant seeds of ideas in my head. I've only scratched the surface of GNC activism, and to find we've learned so much It's only fitting the definition changes to serve our goals to uplift ourselves.
You guys aren't the only one suffering from self esteem as a gnc person. It's time we find our pride and collect ourselves. I've also neglected certain parts of behavior.
The role reversal stuff was hard, because I like it alot, I truly do. But it's not something that we've prepared enough language or proper understanding/social application to explain to those who haven't felt that attraction/need, nor is it something we experience the similarly. I'm aware it's not a recreation of cisheteronormative roles, either. For now, it's best just to be a thing we do in the community we'll have to circle back to explain it as a 'related thing'
This isn't for respectability sake, but to build a grander movement around GNC spaces and solidarity.
I don't know if I like the new definition. I always felt like virago was a term best used to communicate my identity and sexuality, less so as a means of organizing or as a political identity... The latter is important, yes, but it was nice to point to virago and go "yes, this is me" and I dont feel like i can do that under these circumstances. (sorry if this comes off as dismissive I can't really articulate how i feel about this well)
No it's completely fine to feel how you feel. Although the intention is to build greater solidarity, it's okay to feel if it's reductive. I much rather have a prolonged conversation first than just make a decision most aren't happy with. Role reversal, I figured nobody would mind, but the inclusion of gnc4gnc is...really big.
I'll hold off on the GNC4GNC portion because of your input.
Virago has always been a clump of intersecting gnc communities and the idea was to bring the final pieces of that together. It's not a political identity, but an identity that's conception is formed due to collective political ostracizations.
I think we need an overhaul of terminology. I've given it some thought. Long term, I don't think any preestablished terms do GNC people justice. (Femboy, RoleReversal, Tomboy, etc. in particular)
In line with recent attempts at a political direction for GNC liberation and knowledge, we need a more concrete understanding of what is and is not Virago and/or Mollis.
So far, this blog has been a gradual journey that's developed language useful for genderqueer individuals.
Not being attracted to masculine men as a woman makes you feel very Excluded in the world, because even girls who say they like feminine men don't actually like them.
Society somehow pressures you don't like they being"too feminine" Or perhaps, as women, people think it's a passing fancy, then you'll like "real men" Over time (masculine men)
We need to talk a little about the privilege some women have in liking masculine men
exactly. so many women say they dont like masc guys when they really mean they want tall skinny-buff anime boys with the bare minimum human emotions who wear tight clothes (usually a suit??? idk who thinks thats fem) and then they call him their babygirl and make pegging jokes but would never top in their life
meanwhile most masculine men either treat me like my very existence is a threat that emasculates them, or they have a fetish for "conquering" me
when i dont bend, they can get belligerent, sometimes violent
and then i am expected to make up with them, submit, cook their meals and bear their children. i am expected to love them and let them fuck me after the lifetime of shit they have put me through
theres next to no books, shows, or movies with male love interests that i... would actually be interested in. most feminine men cant even go out in public dressed the way they want because they risk harassment or beatings for it
i cant even really talk about my preferences out loud, because people dont believe me. according to them, im always in denial- either about liking men, or about not finding masc men attractive. they think i cant know myself or my feelings or my body, because theyve never seen my body as belonging to me.
the amount of entitlement other people have- to think they know better than i do, is exhausting
Not being attracted to masculine men as a woman makes you feel very Excluded in the world, because even girls who say they like feminine men don't actually like them.
Society somehow pressures you don't like they being"too feminine" Or perhaps, as women, people think it's a passing fancy, then you'll like "real men" Over time (masculine men)
We need to talk a little about the privilege some women have in liking masculine men
exactly. so many women say they dont like masc guys when they really mean they want tall skinny-buff anime boys with the bare minimum human emotions who wear tight clothes (usually a suit??? idk who thinks thats fem) and then they call him their babygirl and make pegging jokes but would never top in their life
meanwhile most masculine men either treat me like my very existence is a threat that emasculates them, or they have a fetish for "conquering" me
when i dont bend, they can get belligerent, sometimes violent
and then i am expected to make up with them, submit, cook their meals and bear their children. i am expected to love them and let them fuck me after the lifetime of shit they have put me through
theres next to no books, shows, or movies with male love interests that i... would actually be interested in. most feminine men cant even go out in public dressed the way they want because they risk harassment or beatings for it
i cant even really talk about my preferences out loud, because people dont believe me. according to them, im always in denial- either about liking men, or about not finding masc men attractive. they think i cant know myself or my feelings or my body, because theyve never seen my body as belonging to me.
the amount of entitlement other people have- to think they know better than i do, is exhausting
i think there's a discussion worth having on how cishet spaces/heteronormative society as a whole treats hetgnc people. if you still identify as cishet, wider heteronormative society will have a much lower bar for what qualifies as "non-conforming" for you. they assume that if you're cishet you're gonna play the game, and a lot of them just... don't get it. not only does the idea of a masc woman or a fem man being cishet confuse a LOT of people but i've witnessed people i know who are by all measurements very gender conforming get insane hate from friends, family and internet randos alike for things like being a man who helps with chores and taking care of his kids, or being a woman who likes drinking beer or knows a lot about cars. no i'm not kidding the bar is THAT low
something wild about watching the "men and women are not two different species, individuals should get to choose which gender roles they follow" feminism come back it fills me with hope and joy
for years i was told by feminists that my gender nonconformity, which i started showing at 3 years old, was me "emulating the patriarchy" out of internalized misogyny
at the same time, i was constantly told by both men and women that i was worthless and ugly because i wore mens clothes, because i didnt shave my legs, because i didnt wear makeup or style my hair like a girl or sit with my knees together or act demure and soft and gentle
Synopsis: Watanuki Shinobu has been a manga artist for the past 20 years. Despite being married and having a son, Shinobu lives her life unsatisfactorily. When Shinobu was about to give up her dreams and work, her past work became popular in ebooks, and she decided to create a new job and recruit an assistant. A 22-year-old young man named Tachibana Chiaki applied to be an assistant, and Shinobu gradually found her life moving forward again after a long time. [MDL]
Alt Titles: シジュウカラ, Beginning at 40, Starting Over at 40
Country: Japan
Length: 12 eps
Personal Rating: 8.5/10
RR Rating: Slightly RR.
RR Tags: Assistant ML, Prostitute ML. Protective FL, Emotional ML, Mature FL | Boss FL x Assistant ML, Older FL x Younger ML | FL saves ML ||| Female SA perpetrator/Male SA victim.
A dark affair drama between a married woman (40) and her young assistant (22).
This seems like the standard setup for a noona affair drama, but it's more than that. Especially more RR than that. Though I'll be the first to say that the leads' personalities aren't really RR at all, other factors weave in the role reversal in an interesting way, and still, FL is older and more mature, while ML is mature for his age, but noticeably young and unstable.
(spoilers ahead)
Firstly we have the mains. FL is a famous manga artist in her 40s, married to an abusive husband with a teen son. She's the 'demure' and 'obedient' type of woman, lying low despite her want to stand up for herself.
She meets a strange young man who becomes her assistant, ML. Right off the bat, something about him seems off, but the two hit it off anyway. He's sweet and agreeable and helps her out in both her work and in her household tasks so she can focus on her work.
So already a somewhat role reversed power dynamic, but there's more.
ML was sexually exploited and abused by the mother of his best friend, who paid him for intercourse when he was still underage. He then proceeded to become an escort for older women and was left with severe trauma from it (FL is not one of these women, though). This plays a major role in the drama and is handled tastefully. ML is also nearly sexually assaulted by said best friend, who has a somewhat obsessive crush on him. Yet another reversed trope.
I often find that stories depicting sexual violence against men by women commonly play it for laughs or gloss over it, but this one handled it very well. I was impressed. After his friend tries to SA him, he actually calls FL to pick him up, and she protects him, and that ordeal felt so RR to me.
Overall, a very good drama with interesting topics and an interesting approach with a sprinkle of role reversal, or I guess more like trope reversal (also it's Itagaki Rihito).
pov it’s 2016 and you’re thinking about some boy while angsting to Treat You Better and changing the words in your head to “any boy like you deserves a gentleman.” You don’t know that other girls don’t do this yet
Oh my god I did this too… 🙈😅 I thought that was an original experience LMAO
This scene is so heartbreaking but also so well handled...
And she's the first woman in his life that he's close to that ISN'T using him and actually supports him and cares about him
Mygod this dialogue... 💔
Respectful representation of SA on men? Well, color me surprised
Really tired of this topic always being played for laughs so I was impressed when this drama not only did not do that, but even gave it the time and effort that it deserves.
Not being attracted to masculine men as a woman makes you feel very Excluded in the world, because even girls who say they like feminine men don't actually like them.
Society somehow pressures you don't like they being"too feminine" Or perhaps, as women, people think it's a passing fancy, then you'll like "real men" Over time (masculine men)
We need to talk a little about the privilege some women have in liking masculine men
Don't you just love how she says the craziest most low-key obsessive shit casually.
Logically speaking this is improvement from how she was before, but good god there is always that lingering something that makes you go "come again" when she dips back into that possessive sea of need to completly take over his life.
