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“War—men’s childbirth. They give birth to death, as women do to life, inevitably and with courage.”
— Natalie Clifford Barney, from Pensées d’une Amazone, 1920
A few days ago, I emailed my former professor about a paper on women’s food practices in the middle ages. At least, that’s what I told him it was about, initially.
But actually, I wanted to discuss heresy. This professor teaches a women’s rights course every year. Every year at the beginning of the class, he calls attention to why he, a man, is talking about women’s rights. He looks us in the eyes and says, no one else is doing it, and I’m sorry it’s me.
This man made us read the SCUM manifesto, Gerda Lerner, Maria Mies. He grazed the subject of the Lesbian Sex Wars, delicately, so gingerly, posing the question: “Can sex work ever be just work?” And my (all woman) classmates, generally mute—in a Women’s Rights class, they all seemed averse to saying the word “woman,” at all. Then one woman raised her hand. and she said, “Sex work is real work.” A statement that, as I hope you know, is a deflection and a discussion killer.
At the time I was non-binary. Hah. I submitted a comic at the end of the year of my final project. My thesis for that project was this: the very language female people have to use for themselves was constructed by the patriarchy. for example, the english word “vagina” comes from the latin word for “sheath”. so the vagina invokes the act of penetration upon its utterance. Whereas the word “penis” has no clear etymological root, implying that it is original while the vagina is constructed for him. Why should I carry the fact that I will always be a tool, the hole, of the human that is man? My solution, at the end of the comic, was to continue using they/them pronouns, to shield myself from the horror of being a wo-man, a s-he—an appendage of Him.
I got a good grade. A stellar report. And it wasn’t a bad comic, for what I knew then. For my condition of blindness and deafness. I made a compelling argument, using sources from class. But oh, how much older I feel now. I’ve always felt old but now I feel almost like I’m dying. Like I don’t have enough time to fix the world before I disappear. And women’s stories never survive. They are not surviving. networks spring up like mycelium and then every century at least they are burned. Witchcraft is in the air shared by women in a room of their own, and witchcraft is doused in gasoline.
I don’t have enough time to explain how the veil lifted for me. Maybe I forget the big moment. the days after were a blur of searching the no-no tags like radical feminist, GNC, gender critical. Amazed at the wealth of journals that these women linked to with real statistics showing that children are being sterilized for no reason. Mostly gay children. like me, a lesbian, who now lives in a house with three “non-binary afabs”. This summer, one of these women, who I have known since freshman year, will start taking testosterone, a procedure I took up for three turbulent months during my freshman year of college. I get to watch her become what I turned away from, knowing the experience fractured my sense of self to a point of terror and estrangement. I get to watch her hide from her problems and cut herself off from womanhood the way I did for 3 years. I am not a woman, so do I not feel Woman’s pain, she is telling me, I told myself, when I was in a dream. She has so many problems, she laughs. But trans is a separate problem that has nothing to do with those other problems. A coincidence.
(For any trans people reading this, you may think: This transtrender fake-trans never-was-trans woman is treating these nonbinary people as if they were dead! as if they weren’t happy people finally living their truth! —well. I put my mom through the process of trying to convince her that I should have always been a man. and I did lose her, for months. For her it was the height of cognitive dissonance that I should want to go on a life-altering hormone to cure my lifelong social awkwardness and self-hatred and self-harm and depression. And I blamed her for not accepting my real self. I was basically made to shun her and my family because of transphobia.. It is disrespectful to anyone’s sanity and integrity for me to perpetuate that cognitive dissonance in this post.)
So I eventually got through to the professor. I knew because of the texts he had us to read for class. He is gay. He has read all the theory, and lives by it. And no (woman) student wants to speak to him. To bring the theory alive. They cannot breathe into it and it sits dead in his mouth.
Maybe it is because he is a man. because the presence of one man in a space of all women immediately sends up alerts. lockdown. Certainly that is the case. Radical Feminists here: I know he’s a man. But I don’t have a woman. And I felt on the strength of the texts he’d given us that he would be my best bet. Maybe somewhere in the corrupted, rotting heart of my college there was a person who knew about thoughtcrimes and was thinking them anyway.
My professor starts with diversion. He starts by talking about my paper. I find it disconcerting that he starts that way. I worry that he won’t want to refer to my email. Where I say: I have woken up from a dream to the apocalypse—Does this man think I’m crazy? Chipper and kind of frantically, he lists off primary sources of medieval nuns and women saints. for my paper. Does this man think I’ve turned into a bigot? Am I confessing lunacy, like a flat-earther?
But I steer the conversation to the meat at his first tentative encouragement. I tell him something like: “children, mostly gay children, a whole generation of gay children, are being sterilized. Porn is a symptom of late-stage capitalism—men’s ownership of women’s bodies. trans is an extension of this. I was part of this. I was in a cult.” I was shaking a bit. I don’t think I’d uttered those words out loud. They sound crazy. Some of the things I said did sound far-fetched. disorganized, remote. But I prayed that my professor would believe some of it, any of it.
What I will say is that he believes me. Thank fuck, right?
He tells me something along the lines of this, vocalizing my fears:
that all of academia is being scrubbed of anything that doesn’t support Trans.
And it is trans-identified female students and women who are reporting him to Title IX, who spend all their time in his classes fuming at the lack of validation for trans women in the history of women. My sisters, footsoldiers for the cause. What cruel irony. This man is holding onto this class by his fingernails, speaking through his teeth, hoping any of the twenty young adult women staring blankly or angrily at him will hear him and listen.
Looking back, the professor’s responses to my emails are vague, completely refusing to acknowledge a point of view other than “WOW. I look forward to discussing this.” I think he thinks he could be blackmailed. Anything he says on gmail dot com can and would be used against him. It’s like, really, really, really that bad.
No ideology should involve a cultural cleaning of women’s history feat. witch hunts.
I will end here with an excerpt from my first email to this professor:
I’m sure you know what a total bummer it is to realize this.
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this is interesting just on the surface level but let’s like take it a step further and think about all the different groups of people who might have high collective narcissism and in turn tend to spread misinformation on their topics of interest.
she’s doing much better today 🥺
I have HOPE that my sick chicken is NOT GONNA DIE NOW so she better STAY THE FUCK ALIVE
When porn has to move beyond physical degradation.
In our society, women with mental health issues and trauma are frequently sexualized because of the perceived vulnerability and powerlessness that we associate with mental illness(in women). The reality of course is different, which is that mental health problems and trauma are experienced in a multitude of ways.
In pornography–similar to youth–mental illness is sexualized and depicted as something that makes some easier to take advantage of and control. What is even more sinister is that mental illness is also used as something to further mock and degrade women. Think of the mental health issues that our society often associates with women–eating disorders, panic attacks… “daddy issues”–which is a disgusting term to begin with, but the way it’s sexualized is even worse.
Below are a couple examples of the sexualized misery seen in porn. Porn is all about encouraging people to get off on the suffering of women.
Look at the way they depict “daddy issues” (stay tuned for rant about that term/concept)
Easier to take advantage of
Fun to ridicule
Not worthy of empathy (duh)
Vulnerable, low self-esteem=great opportunity for men
Needs men to feel worthy (as she should, right?)
Of course there is the added layer of sexualizing incest/abuse/child rape.
Anorexia
Thin/skinny is always better, no matter what the cost to her health is
Easy to dominate
Easy to coerce
A lot of homemade anorexic porn–a perfect example of why even homemade porn is terrible. Can you imagine what people do to convince a young woman with anorexia that porn is a good idea?
New level of degradation: call them fat, since of course that will make them feel worse.
Encourage other girls to be anorexic “as a joke”
Mental breakdowns/Panic attacks
I have been naive to think that if people actually saw these women getting upset during a shoot, then porn users might have more empathy.
Porn star breakdowns have become a genre of their own
They are categorized as bloopers. We’re supposed to look at their pain and find it funny
In a decent world, people would see someone having a breakdown, and it would cause them to feel some empathy. The porn industry has just turned it into another aspect of “entertainment”
When degrading someone physically isn’t enough, this is what the industry turns to. There will never be anything that makes people think that these women are worthy of compassion. In fact, they make it so people will be entertained and even turned on by women’s misery.
The whole genre is basically saying: look at how miserable these women are. Isn’t that funny? Isn’t that sexy?
Please tell me more about what a happy and empowering place the porn industry is.
you ever... you ever just.. ever just drunk and holding a chicken?
this one
you ever... you ever just.. ever just drunk and holding a chicken?
ok so like I have the journal or anthology of sesprongle? sesurpongle? se spr something posts. but I can’t believe I didn’t reblog it tho :/
I was thinking I wanted to talk about what happened in Texas but there’s still too much to worry about. Can’t seem to get out from under the blanket though it’s finally a decent temp in here. I’m so sore and the majority of both my shins are bruised and I don’t even know how that happened lol.
I really want to be attracted to penises so I can be a better person. I've tried meditation, hypnosis, and reading media written by trans people, but penises still seem unpleasant. Any advice?
You can’t force yourself to be attracted to penises, anon. Just make sure that when you’re talking about trans people, you don’t equate them with their genitalia - for example, by saying, “I would never date a trans woman, because I don’t like penises.” Equating trans people with their genitals is wrong because 1) it perpetuates the cultural fixation on our body parts, and this contributes to anti-trans violence; and 2) you don’t know what a person’s genitals are until you ask. Some trans women have penises; some don’t. That’s why it’s transphobic to say that you just aren’t attracted to trans women - because it’s making a blanket assumption about an oppressed group of people.
Bottom line: try to avoid making statements about other people that imply something that may or may not be true. And know that it’s okay to simply state: “I’m not attracted to people with penises.” Makes sense?
This is a great response but I want to correct one thing and also add to it. The problem with “I’m not attracted to people with penises” is that attraction isn’t usually based on genitals. Of course they play a part in sex and sexual attraction, but attraction generally begins before we can even know for sure what genitals the person we’re attracted to has.
Anon, if you see a woman on the bus who you’re attracted to, you can’t know for sure what genitalia she actually has, and your attraction to her won’t (or at least shouldn’t) become completely void if you get to know her and she tells you she has a penis. If you were attracted to her face when you were first attracted to her, she still has the same face that she had before you knew what her genitals were, so it wouldn’t make sense for you to suddenly have no attraction to her face. The same goes for any other aspect of a person that you might be attracted to, including personality, which is super important.
Essentially, genitals do not define a person, so you can be attracted to a person without being attracted to their genitals. There are so many aspects to every human being (even physical aspects) that have nothing to do with what genitals they have. You can date trans women - even trans women who haven’t gotten genital surgery - and not be attracted to penises. And you won’t be forced to interact with their genitals unless you actually want to.
This is coming from a lesbian who is currently dating a trans woman and has dated a couple others in the past, and is repulsed by penises. None of the trans women I’ve dated have forced me to interact with their genitals in any way, and it’s common for trans women not to even want their sexual partners to interact with their genitals in any way. The first person I had sex with was a trans girl, and she interacted with my genitals, but I never interacted directly with hers. My current (long-distance) girlfriend and I have shared orgasms through skype and she’s seen my genitals, but I haven’t seen hers.*
That being said, I do want to give the anon some tips related to the question they were actually asking, based on my own experience of being in the process of trying to warm myself up to the genitals of trans girlfriends (past and present). If you’re not currently either dating a trans woman or wanting to date a specific trans woman you’re attracted to, then you don’t have to worry about this, and you should follow Mars’s advice of just not trying to be attracted to penises (since you aren’t and that’s ok). If you are dating a trans woman and want to pleasure her but aren’t attracted to her genitals, here are some tips (for cis women, but if you’re a cis man or transmasculine person a lot of these can apply as well):
1. Don’t think of it as a penis. Many trans women (who haven’t gotten genital surgery) actually think of their own genitals as a vulva, with the “penis” actually being a clit and the “scrotum” actually being labia. It’s is pretty accurate considering that this was literally true even by cissexist biological essentiallist standards while she was in the womb, and that having been on HRT for even just a few weeks, trans women’s genitals actually behave more like cis women’s clits than cis men’s penises. So it’s a clit, not a penis. (It’s actually really important when talking about trans women’s genitals to not refer to them universally as penises even when just talking about trans women who haven’t had genital surgery, because for some trans women, referring to their genitals as a “penis” can invoke extreme dysphoria.) It’s also worth nothing that trans men’s genitals start behaving more like cis men’s penises than cis women’s clitorises after they’ve been on HRT for a while, so if you’re with a trans man and feel weird about his genitals, you can think of his “clit” as a cock.
2. Make sure your girlfriend knows you’re attracted to her, even if you’re not attracted to her genitals. Think her face and overall appearance is beautiful? Tell her that. Think she looks sexy when she’s wearing lingerie for you? Tell her that. Think her face looks sexy when she’s receiving some sort of sexual pleasure (like nipple stimulation, or masturbation while you’re on top of her and looking at her face)? Tell her she looks sexy. As I said before, there are so many aspects (even physical ones) of a person that can be beautiful even if that person’s genitals aren’t. Make sure your girlfriend knows that you really do find her attractive, physically as well as mentally and emotionally.
*3. Take your time. I’d advise touching before seeing, and touching through clothing before under clothing. Rubbing your crotch against hers while both fully clothed, or both in just underwear, can be really wonderful (I’ve only done it fully clothed so far with an ex). While rubbing, just think about how good it feels for you (and her), instead of thinking about what you’re rubbing your clit against. Months later with the same ex, I finally felt ready to feel her crotch with my hands, but not go under her underwear. She told me informatively when I inquired about it that she probably wouldn’t be able to orgasm unless I went under her underwear, but she didn’t force or coerce me into doing it, and it probably would have been another couple months before I would have felt ready (even though at that point in our relationship she had become extremely good at fingering me, and she’d also eaten me out). If your girlfriend coerces (or forces) you to do anything you don’t want to do, or shows you her genitals before you say you’re ready to see them, that’s bad, but most trans girls are decent human beings who wouldn’t do that to someone they care about. With my current long-distance girlfriend, I actually once did ask if I could see her genitals, and we decided the best way to do it was to have her take photos and e-mail them to me so I would be in total control of whether, and for how long, I would see them. She reminded me plenty of times that I did not have to open the e-mail if I did not want to, and I could even delete it. I did end up being able to muster the confidence to open the e-mail, but I only looked at two of the six or so photos, and I could only look at them for a second or less due to the repulsion I still feel towards genitals like hers. I might try looking at it again sometime and seeing if I can look at any of the photos for longer, or I might just go with the touching-through-clothing-first strategy after she arrives here (btw you can help us out with that). Small steps are still steps that you should feel proud of yourself for, and even effort is something you should feel proud of yourself for with regards to warming up to something that you naturally feel repulsed about. (Btw anon, this includes the meditation and hynosis that you’ve tried.) It can take months or even years, and that’s okay. It’s also worth noting that you might never actually fully feel ready to interact with her genitals, and your repulsion might not fully go away. It’s perfectly legitimate to decide to just pleasure her even though you feel uncomfortable doing it because of her genitals (as long as it’s a non-coerced decision that you made), and it’s also perfectly okay to go through your relationship without ever interacting with her genitals unless she gets genital surgery. (If you do the latter you might want to talk to her about maybe having some sort of poly-relationship where someone else will give her the pleasure she craves, and it would also be perfectly legitimate for her to decide to break up with you if she wants a monogamous relationship where her partner gives her genital stimulation. As stated before, however, some trans women don’t actually want to receive any genital stimulation from sexual partners, so it could easily work out if you’re dating one with that preference.) It’s also worth mentioning that just like how it wouldn’t be okay for her to force or coerce you to see or touch her genitals, it’s not ok for you to force or coerce her into getting genital surgery if she’s not absolutely and independently sure that she wants it. (As a side note to that, stating a preference is not the same as coercion. Both of my trans exes as well as my current girlfriend have told me that they would like for me to touch their genitals, but none of them have coerced me into doing it. They all made it clear that whether-or-not I do it is entirely up to me.)
4. There are plenty of non-traditional ways you can have sex and interact with her genitals. Here’s one. Here’s another (and here’s a slightly more descriptive guide to it). That last link was from a whole zine (written by trans women) called “Fucking Trans Women”, which is available online for $5. Also, here are some suggestions for pleasuring her even if you’re not comfortable with touching her genitals at all. Basically, sex with your trans girlfriend does not have to be like sex with a cis guy in any way, even if you give her genital stimulation.
That was really long but I hope it’s helpful to at least someone who reads it. If you take only one thing away from this, I hope it’s that trans women are women so if you’re attracted to women you should be open to dating trans women, even if you don’t like penises.
This is what these idiots are preaching… did you guys take notes from my abusive ex? If someone coerces, pressures or forces you to do anything sexual it’s not just “bad,” it’s sexual assault or rape and you should run the fuck away because it only goes downhill from there. Also, no one owes anyone a date or sex of any kind regardless of who they’re attracted to, this should be basic shit. No one is obligated to think of your genitals as anything other than what they are, no one has to put their trauma or feelings aside to get you off, no one has to date or stay with someone they are not attracted to or do not want to have sex with. It is perfectly okay to absolutely never have sex with someone even if they change some aspect of themselves… like are you all serious with this? “Unless they have surgery?” Not one of you is concerned about why anon wants to like penis to be a better person?? In a fucking patriarchy?? You all are something else
This is rape. You’re literally fucking promoting corrective rape. Guess what, I think dicks are fucking gross, I don’t care who it’s attached to. I don’t have to “examine” why I don’t like them, and I don’t have to force myself to like them. They’re fucking gross. End of story. You sound just like the MAN who raped me and told me the entire time that all I needed was the right dick to come along and prove I’m not ~actually~ lesbian. Guess what, I’m still a lesbian, I still hate dick, and I still love vulva. There is literally no difference between a man forcing his dick on me to teach me a lesson, and you forcing your gross dicks on lesbians to ~make them better people~. You’re still a man, and you’re still normalizing rape.
Leave young girls alone, you vile fucking rapists.
Look at all those instructions for how to get a lesbian to interact with a male body sexually. “Don’t think of it as a penis”, “touch it through clothes first”. These people are fucking disgusting.
When a lesbian comes to you saying “I want to like dicks to be a better person” the correct answer is “you don’t have to ever like dicks to be a good person. Only date who you’re attracted to and never apologize for yourself”.
You don’t write a fucking novel to help ease her into self-inflicted conversion therapy.
@earthmoonlotus @afrohoneycomb
You do both realize you’re literally advocating for grooming of lesbians to like dick, right?
Do you not see how fundamentally disgusting and wrong that is?
Listen to what the radfems are saying in this post, please.
I’m a transwoman and also telling you that under no circumstances should you ever feel like you need to like penises or date transwomen. If a transwoman calls you transphobic for it, they’re WRONG, it’s not transphobic. You’re not doing anything wrong or evil by not like penises or transwomen.
If a transwoman tries to get you to change your mind on that, get away from them as fast as possible and do not trust them.
Please stop promoting corrective rape and that lesbians should like penis and transwomen.
If transwomen also can’t accept no then that is another reason to get away from them quickly.
Anon please read what the radfems are saying.
This is the most horrific, homophobic conversion therapy shit I have seen on this website ever. I’ve seen some pretty bad shit but oh my god this is the worst. LEAVE LESBIANS ALONE YOU SICK FUCKS
My mom using the everyone is bisexual excuse to get me to not be gay she stopped using you gotta be straight now she says it’s better if you’re bisexual
My mom (actually had a female lover/my godmother) & she told me it’s OK to be attracted to women so long as you don’t plan to marry one (which she knew I was planning when I came out as gay). Yeah hets & bis have been pushing bisexuality is better then gay since forever.
wtf, HYPNOSIS? anon tried to hypnotise themselves to like penises? this is literal conversion therapy! lesbians are being guilt-tripped into performing home-based conversion therapy! how is this not a national outrage?
anon, these people are giving no concern about your personal boundaries. i hope you come to see that your sexuality is an amazing part of you and doesn’t need to be changed to accommodate others.
This is your beloved cotton ceiling rhetoric. Look at it for what it is:
Rape culture.
I’m gonna fucking throw up.
This is one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever read on this website.
Anon, you have no obligation to ever touch anyone with a penis. You’re not oppressing anyone by not dating them. @afrohoneycomb and @earthmoonlotus are preaching conversion therapy and corrective rape.
“This never happens”, right?
Anonymous: if you don’t like penises then that’s perfectly okay. There is absolutely nothing wrong in any way, shape, or form with not being attracted to a penis.
Who you are attracted to is no measure of who you are as a person you don’t have to try to teach yourself to tolerate a penis or be attracted to men.
No one. NO ONE has the right to tell you who you can or can not be attracted to.
“It’s perfectly legitimate to just pleasure her even though you feel uncomfortable doing it because of her genitals (as long as it’s a non-coerced decision that you made)”
Anon I’m here to tell you that this isn’t normal, this is active self harm and most importantly (aside from the trauma and the guilt you’ll feel) is that this shit doesn’t work.
What is coercion? Is there a larger societal game of coercion at play? Could it be... posts like these? Ascribing morality to innate sexuality? Wait... that feels familiar... where else have we seen people ascribing morality to innate sexuality..
two things that can be true at the same time:
1) the labour involved in homemaking and childcare is important and undervalued. no one should be looked down upon for making housework and/or parenthood their primary job. domestic labour is generally not seen as “real” work, and it should be.
2) when a women is a homemaker and does not have a career outside the home, she is financially dependent on her husband, which restricts her freedom. this is a problem for any movement seeking to liberate women as a class.
Those links for all asking Deadly history of women using perfume as poison -Girlhood, medusa and female rage -The allure of gothic horror -Essays and thoughts on girls in horror -Why girls get hungry in horror -Mothers and witches -Women in horror -The female poisoner -female werewolves -Monstrous women - Catherine Lundoff -Female cannibals and consumptive horror -Horror films directed by women -Women, killer plants and annihilation -Female identity within the gothic genre -Women in horror - the vvitch -the vvitch, female sexuality in horror -Angela Carter - The beast is female sexuality -Body horror/monster reading list -Consumptive horror
“Lesbian safe” oh-KAY