im wokatron 3000

this is my political account FIGHT ME

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[penatola]

this just? isnt true?

[shotatoga]

op is literally the radfem they think is calling them transmisogynistic slurs

[radicallyprotransgender]

thanks for saying “nuh uh” really wraps up the conversation wonderfully 😭 i would love to understand your perspective but you’ve decided to keep it a secret so that i do not know???

[shotatoga]

im literally a different person im not going to have the exact same perspective as my mutual. i got you though, go into my tag #runeworks , go to the essay i wrote and go from there. its not the exactly what you’re looking for but its insightful if you truly are interested in my perspective. honestly my #runepolitics tag is reflective of my views.

[radicallyprotransgender]

all im getting is that TMA and TME is yet another binary im going to have to face as a non binary person but instead of from the government its from FUCKING TUMBLR? seriously, i get that transfem and transmasc people have different experiences and some trans guys are being weird about it but i cannot find a single thing of yours that talks about intersex or nonbinary people like theyre real people or a single mention of real oppression from Real Life. we can make a new binary because people in tumblr cannot be normal about trans people or we can work on the fact that we’re considered terrorists in the USA and illegal in most countries just for existing.

trans misogyny cant exist if transphobia doesn’t exist so maybe we could work on that first instead of separating our community even more

[radicallyprotransgender]

tw: im gonna talk about some dark things concerning transgender people, if you arent ready to know about it, dont read

you know what? im coming back because im pissed and not at any of you

i wanna clarify that this isnt for just you guys, this is for everyone. every trans person on this hellsite and then some

people are dying

our trans brothers and sisters are dying

there are only five US states that haven’t banned the transgender panic defense, an argument someone can use in court to justify murdering a trans person for no reason other than “they were trans and i didnt like it”

when i say “transphobes” i dont mean the oh so scary radical feminists i mean the people in the fucking Epstien Files who rule half our countries while kidnapping and eating children and we’re one of their next targets

we are literally starting the 8th stage of genocide

i dont fucking care if im tme or tma if i could get gutted in an alleyway and my parents would have to put a different name on my grave while my murderer gets away with it

stop harassing each other for all this stupid tumblr drama and please please please please just focus on not dying? please?

im not surprised anymore when i see another dead trans person on the news. a dead trans child who killed themself because of bullying or their family not being supportive. this is a shared experience other trans people have talked about

delete tumblr if you need to but please… this can matter later. we dont need to fix this now.

this can be undone. a deadname carved into a gravestone cannot

[claire-the-apocalypse]

Yes, all trans people are being killed.

Trans women are being killed more.

Why does addressing the material reality of the increased level of danger that trans women experience feel like exclusion to you? Why do you feel the need to try and say "we're all being killed!" As though it's happening equally? You're sitting here talking about how you're pissed that trans women won't stand with you, when trans women WANT to fucking stand with you, but you won't stand with us about the specific forms of violence that we face that other trans people are exempt from.

[radicallyprotransgender]

… i know that

… i am a trans woman

… i never said that it “felt like exclusion”

i make a post about how im scared of being murdered and scared you will die as well, and this is your response? how could you read that post as if im saying it with contempt and not tears? is this division genuinely this important to you?

this?

this is what you talk about?

[claire-the-apocalypse]

I am not making a division. The division is in your desire to accuse other trans women of causing a division for talking about their specific forms of oppression. I don't know if you've simply bought into the false narrative that there are trans women going around trying to divide the community just for the fucking fun of it, but what's actually happening is trans women are being systematically harassed and accused of creating divisions... for merely fucking talking about transmisogyny. And you are contributing to that by trying to moralize anyone who stands up for themselves. Do not fucking emotionally police me and tell me what I should feel. Do not fucking tell me that creating a division is more important to me than community protection. What's important to me is making sure that trans women aren't being systematically raped and murdered, and you're sitting here telling me that I'm causing division for??? What??? For not saying that trans men have it equally bad?

You made a categorically incorrect statement in your original post to try and generalize a transmisogynistic experience as though it's general transphobia that affects everyone, and that other trans women need to stop talking about the history of these terms and how they're used, lest they be creating "division." And when called out on this, you went on about how all trans people are dying, and these evil people in your reblogs aren't doing enough to fight the genocide that we're facing because??? What??? We're not saying that trans men have it equally bad? We're talking about the unique forms of oppression that trans women face? You need to realize that you are doing what you're accusing everyone else of. You are the one who is saying that people need to stop advocating for themselves, and instead start advocating in exactly the way you want. Even if you mean it genuinely and without ill intent, everything you're saying here is identical to transmisogynistic dogwhistles, and uncritically repeating dogwhistles will only bolster them.

[radicallyprotransgender]

i cant say anything without you interpreting an entirely new meaning behind it, can i? im not being mean, im not being sarcastic, im not springing a trap on you when i say things or ask questions

the smallest thing i can ask at this point is that you read my posts as closely as possible so you can see that there isnt anything in between the lines

i wish we could talk in person instead of through a screen so you could see my actual emotions and experience and how much i just dont want to see more people die

i guess tumblr isnt a good place to mourn though im sorry for pointing out my fear of genocide

[radicallyprotransgender]

ive done it! ive called myself a trans woman! ive put myself in your stupid binary, will you treat me like a human instead of a funny light in a computer now????

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[penatola]

this just? isnt true?

[shotatoga]

op is literally the radfem they think is calling them transmisogynistic slurs

[radicallyprotransgender]

thanks for saying “nuh uh” really wraps up the conversation wonderfully 😭 i would love to understand your perspective but you’ve decided to keep it a secret so that i do not know???

[shotatoga]

im literally a different person im not going to have the exact same perspective as my mutual. i got you though, go into my tag #runeworks , go to the essay i wrote and go from there. its not the exactly what you’re looking for but its insightful if you truly are interested in my perspective. honestly my #runepolitics tag is reflective of my views.

[radicallyprotransgender]

all im getting is that TMA and TME is yet another binary im going to have to face as a non binary person but instead of from the government its from FUCKING TUMBLR? seriously, i get that transfem and transmasc people have different experiences and some trans guys are being weird about it but i cannot find a single thing of yours that talks about intersex or nonbinary people like theyre real people or a single mention of real oppression from Real Life. we can make a new binary because people in tumblr cannot be normal about trans people or we can work on the fact that we’re considered terrorists in the USA and illegal in most countries just for existing.

trans misogyny cant exist if transphobia doesn’t exist so maybe we could work on that first instead of separating our community even more

[radicallyprotransgender]

tw: im gonna talk about some dark things concerning transgender people, if you arent ready to know about it, dont read

you know what? im coming back because im pissed and not at any of you

i wanna clarify that this isnt for just you guys, this is for everyone. every trans person on this hellsite and then some

people are dying

our trans brothers and sisters are dying

there are only five US states that haven’t banned the transgender panic defense, an argument someone can use in court to justify murdering a trans person for no reason other than “they were trans and i didnt like it”

when i say “transphobes” i dont mean the oh so scary radical feminists i mean the people in the fucking Epstien Files who rule half our countries while kidnapping and eating children and we’re one of their next targets

we are literally starting the 8th stage of genocide

i dont fucking care if im tme or tma if i could get gutted in an alleyway and my parents would have to put a different name on my grave while my murderer gets away with it

stop harassing each other for all this stupid tumblr drama and please please please please just focus on not dying? please?

im not surprised anymore when i see another dead trans person on the news. a dead trans child who killed themself because of bullying or their family not being supportive. this is a shared experience other trans people have talked about

delete tumblr if you need to but please… this can matter later. we dont need to fix this now.

this can be undone. a deadname carved into a gravestone cannot

[claire-the-apocalypse]

Yes, all trans people are being killed.

Trans women are being killed more.

Why does addressing the material reality of the increased level of danger that trans women experience feel like exclusion to you? Why do you feel the need to try and say "we're all being killed!" As though it's happening equally? You're sitting here talking about how you're pissed that trans women won't stand with you, when trans women WANT to fucking stand with you, but you won't stand with us about the specific forms of violence that we face that other trans people are exempt from.

[radicallyprotransgender]

… i know that

… i am a trans woman

… i never said that it “felt like exclusion”

i make a post about how im scared of being murdered and scared you will die as well, and this is your response? how could you read that post as if im saying it with contempt and not tears? is this division genuinely this important to you?

this?

this is what you talk about?

[radicallyprotransgender]

“Misandry” and its either common sense or misogyny with extra steps

“Men can’t cry!” because emotions have been deemed feminine and “feminine = bad.” Same with wearing pink and being a stay at home parent.

“Men have to pay for meals!” because women couldn’t make money for a long time and it became tradition.

“Men have body standards too!” which are the exception instead of the expectation. Men can strive to be muscular and tall with lots of body hair, but women have to be skinny, petite, shaven, with big, but not too big boobs.

“Women avoid men!” I wonder why…

“Women never give guys a chance!” because they don’t owe you a date, dingus. No one owes that to anyone else.

“But the ‘Kill all men!’ and ‘I beat my husband 🤪’ people!” a 13 year old making a bad joke on the internet isn’t oppression.

Male victims are absolutely valid but that’s still not misandry. In fact, woman on man crime is usually excused because “woman weak, man strong! a woman could never hurt a man!”

When I say feminism is anti patriarchy and not anti men, this is what I mean. The patriarchy and misogyny hurts men too (although you shouldn’t need it to hurt men to fight against it).

[rightoidinterloper]

ahhh this one

"misandry is common sense" i have already addressed this in a poorly written post. tl;dr: it is, accepting that it means every other kind of discrimination is both not fallacious and not a property rights violation (although might be factually untrue) is the hard pill to swallow

the rest is interesting, so let's go one by one

“Men can’t cry!” aren't men biologically less capable of crying? besides that, i also seemingly doubt this author actually gives a fuck. ad hominem and mind reading yes, but it is just giving "i only mentioned this because it was on the list" speaking of, i don't actually consider this a problem and don't have a real counter argument anyways. might write a post about it after researching the topic

"Same with wearing pink" kinda strange that they went with pink instead of like a dress or something. or maybe the author just didn't think about it idk the origin of gender roles is complicated and i might have to put this in its own post.

wow these first two are wrecking me, and we aren't even out of the first paragraph, at this rate i might even have to reconsider-

"being a stay at home parent." yeah this one isn't it... to make a long story short: >woman get pregnant >pregnancy make work hard >men need work harder to support their children when women not working >childcare needs means one parent should stay home >mother best option to stay home because she has milk (not as important anymore) and the aftermath of pregnancy >mother ends up staying home longer and raising the kids, father ends up working >monkey brain compiles this into a Meme, and forgets the origin >a father who isn't working has failed at his job of supporting the family and is thus bad

if it's still too long: stay at home mother trend is biological in origin. humans are stupid animals. stupid animals make stupid decisions

"“Men have to pay for meals!” because women couldn’t make money for a long time and it became tradition." no notes. trvth nvke.

"Men have body standards too!" no problem here? like men have body standards so they need to fit it or find someone who doesn't care; women need to do it too. if there's other people who you aren't dating who care... fuck 'em? legitimately women just need to take the advice men get on this, gynocapistan might be on a hill, but it was built on the same clay as androcapistan

"“Women avoid men!” I wonder why…" i wonder why...

“Women never give guys a chance!” the invisible hand of the dating market tried to hang itself, but couldn't find a neck to wrap the noose around. dating is fundamentally broken

"because they don’t owe you a date, dingus. No one owes that to anyone else." i need to go over this with my "incels are gender communists" post i keep putting off. this reasoning is entirely correct, the average left winger just... isn't ready to accept the consequences "nobody owes anyone anything" necessarily ends in ancapistan. "okay but love is special and cant be bought" yes, it is. please follow that to its logical conclusions and realize just how grimdark and fundamentally doomed the world we live in is.

"But the ‘Kill all men!’ and ‘I beat my husband 🤪’ people!" which 13 year olds have husbands???

"a 13 year old making a bad joke on the internet isn’t oppression." you see. voters* are people. people are humans. humans are stupid animals. you can say "you shouldn't care about this" all you want, but it doesn't make them stop caring (*not just men. women are people and thus also capable of caring) democracy is rule of majority and inherently authoritarian, every ballot is one millionth of a gun held to your head. we live in democracies, so you have to actually appeal to a voter base, because that voter base is holding a gun to your head to force you to comply with their demands. "your concerns don't matter, shut up and let us continue to care about real people" isn't a message that wins over voters

"Male victims are absolutely valid but that’s still not misandry. In fact, woman on man crime is usually excused because “woman weak, man strong! a woman could never hurt a man!”" ah yes, misandry is when men are specifically treated as less than for very specific reasons, but misogyny is when anything happens at all that's different based on gender... uh huh yes men being perceived as worse people is actually misogyny... uh huh. i wrote an incoherent rambling post that's tangentially relevant

"When I say feminism is anti patriarchy and not anti men, this is what I mean. The patriarchy and misogyny hurts men too"

feminism in its most self consistent form is opposition to gender roles. but... a self consistent gender equality movement has very little in common with feminism, especially not the names language is a social construct, and if you have to clarify a word again and again and again, maybe that word is a terrible word for that concept. take a look at "physical removal", it's about a social boycot and is very much non-physical (unless you start violating the NAP). even "anarcho capitalism" implies the wrong things. those names are dogshit and the ancaps really need to change them similarly, feminism's concepts are poorly named and their names need to be changed for clarity.

"(although you shouldn’t need it to hurt men to fight against it)." you know i could just do a word replacement here, but there's a more insightful point to be made: the genders are inherently tied together. problems for one inevitably become problems for the other, either because of obvious consequences, or because they have the barest, minimal, microscopic modicum of empathy, or in the worst case because they're dating

for example: women living under some very goofy rules (that should've been more part of an actual social contract signed when joining the community instead of law) ends up in the creation of a very goofy neo-marxist ideology men living with the very goofy rules (that should've been more part of an actual social contract signed when joining the community instead of law) and the rules the new goofy ideology made, ends up in people rejecting said goofy neo-marxist ideology

Overall Rating (unserious but tradition): 5/10 overall, would have been 7/10. great propaganda, but held back by re-iterating some narratives that the average "feminism hurts men" reader has heard and calcified their opinions on.

i remember someone said that it "feels like being made a second class citizen in your own victimhood," which i think best describes why it lost two points for this

Fun Experiment: the treatment of men is actually so consistently apathetic across the political spectrum that it might as well be the baseline. i don't recommend using "treatment in comparison to men" to measure just how strong biases are in a serious way but it would be a lot of fun to run that operation

[radicallyprotransgender]

you left out some really interesting words when quoting my post! do you, uh, wanna read it again? no? yeah didnt think so

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[penatola]

this just? isnt true?

[shotatoga]

op is literally the radfem they think is calling them transmisogynistic slurs

[radicallyprotransgender]

thanks for saying “nuh uh” really wraps up the conversation wonderfully 😭 i would love to understand your perspective but you’ve decided to keep it a secret so that i do not know???

[shotatoga]

im literally a different person im not going to have the exact same perspective as my mutual. i got you though, go into my tag #runeworks , go to the essay i wrote and go from there. its not the exactly what you’re looking for but its insightful if you truly are interested in my perspective. honestly my #runepolitics tag is reflective of my views.

[radicallyprotransgender]

all im getting is that TMA and TME is yet another binary im going to have to face as a non binary person but instead of from the government its from FUCKING TUMBLR? seriously, i get that transfem and transmasc people have different experiences and some trans guys are being weird about it but i cannot find a single thing of yours that talks about intersex or nonbinary people like theyre real people or a single mention of real oppression from Real Life. we can make a new binary because people in tumblr cannot be normal about trans people or we can work on the fact that we’re considered terrorists in the USA and illegal in most countries just for existing.

trans misogyny cant exist if transphobia doesn’t exist so maybe we could work on that first instead of separating our community even more

[radicallyprotransgender]

tw: im gonna talk about some dark things concerning transgender people, if you arent ready to know about it, dont read

you know what? im coming back because im pissed and not at any of you

i wanna clarify that this isnt for just you guys, this is for everyone. every trans person on this hellsite and then some

people are dying

our trans brothers and sisters are dying

there are only five US states that haven’t banned the transgender panic defense, an argument someone can use in court to justify murdering a trans person for no reason other than “they were trans and i didnt like it”

when i say “transphobes” i dont mean the oh so scary radical feminists i mean the people in the fucking Epstien Files who rule half our countries while kidnapping and eating children and we’re one of their next targets

we are literally starting the 8th stage of genocide

i dont fucking care if im tme or tma if i could get gutted in an alleyway and my parents would have to put a different name on my grave while my murderer gets away with it

stop harassing each other for all this stupid tumblr drama and please please please please just focus on not dying? please?

im not surprised anymore when i see another dead trans person on the news. a dead trans child who killed themself because of bullying or their family not being supportive. this is a shared experience other trans people have talked about

delete tumblr if you need to but please… this can matter later. we dont need to fix this now.

this can be undone. a deadname carved into a gravestone cannot

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[penatola]

this just? isnt true?

[shotatoga]

op is literally the radfem they think is calling them transmisogynistic slurs

[radicallyprotransgender]

thanks for saying “nuh uh” really wraps up the conversation wonderfully 😭 i would love to understand your perspective but you’ve decided to keep it a secret so that i do not know???

[shotatoga]

im literally a different person im not going to have the exact same perspective as my mutual. i got you though, go into my tag #runeworks , go to the essay i wrote and go from there. its not the exactly what you’re looking for but its insightful if you truly are interested in my perspective. honestly my #runepolitics tag is reflective of my views.

[radicallyprotransgender]

all im getting is that TMA and TME is yet another binary im going to have to face as a non binary person but instead of from the government its from FUCKING TUMBLR? seriously, i get that transfem and transmasc people have different experiences and some trans guys are being weird about it but i cannot find a single thing of yours that talks about intersex or nonbinary people like theyre real people or a single mention of real oppression from Real Life. we can make a new binary because people in tumblr cannot be normal about trans people or we can work on the fact that we’re considered terrorists in the USA and illegal in most countries just for existing.

trans misogyny cant exist if transphobia doesn’t exist so maybe we could work on that first instead of separating our community even more

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[penatola]

this just? isnt true?

[shotatoga]

op is literally the radfem they think is calling them transmisogynistic slurs

[radicallyprotransgender]

thanks for saying “nuh uh” really wraps up the conversation wonderfully 😭 i would love to understand your perspective but you’ve decided to keep it a secret so that i do not know???

[radicallyprotransgender]

“Misandry” and its either common sense or misogyny with extra steps

“Men can’t cry!” because emotions have been deemed feminine and “feminine = bad.” Same with wearing pink and being a stay at home parent.

“Men have to pay for meals!” because women couldn’t make money for a long time and it became tradition.

“Men have body standards too!” which are the exception instead of the expectation. Men can strive to be muscular and tall with lots of body hair, but women have to be skinny, petite, shaven, with big, but not too big boobs.

“Women avoid men!” I wonder why…

“Women never give guys a chance!” because they don’t owe you a date, dingus. No one owes that to anyone else.

“But the ‘Kill all men!’ and ‘I beat my husband 🤪’ people!” a 13 year old making a bad joke on the internet isn’t oppression.

Male victims are absolutely valid but that’s still not misandry. In fact, woman on man crime is usually excused because “woman weak, man strong! a woman could never hurt a man!”

When I say feminism is anti patriarchy and not anti men, this is what I mean. The patriarchy and misogyny hurts men too (although you shouldn’t need it to hurt men to fight against it).

[pukicho]

I express contempt by getting to know you and getting close to you and then marrying you

[santana-cruz]

you think this is funny but straight men are genuinely like this

[pukicho]

ohhhhh sorry </3

[radicallyprotransgender]

transphobes dont see trans women and trans men too differently, they see us all as “trannys” and we can stop trying to give their bigotry microlabels

[radicallyprotransgender]

I AM a radical feminist actually! that means i support ALL women! including the transgender woman, and the women who are sex workers, and women who aren’t white, and women who dont fit your or my personal standards because feminism is about US!!! not you :/

and for THOSE people who are gonna purposely misinterpret this, the us includes you, dummy! i dont like you, but feminism isnt about me either and we’re still on the same side!

[cykelops]

I have had a lot of evil people say to me that nothing taste as good as skinny feels and every time im like no im pretty sure food tastes really super good actually

[radicallyprotransgender]

too skinny is temporary and feels awful, french fry is eternal and beautiful

[starsinoursystem]

this pride month I'm gonna need everyone to be radically pro transgender and also pro intersex and also pro ace and aro spec peoples thanks

[radicallyprotransgender]

WE ARE THREATS TO THE US PRESIDENT AND PROUD!! HIS SHOELACES ARE NEVER SAFE!!!