Brennan on the latest Um, Actually: "You can turn real-life historical figures into undead and that's normal."
In unrelated news, I sure am looking forward to finding out who Madeleine's sire is in CCoD!
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Brennan on the latest Um, Actually: "You can turn real-life historical figures into undead and that's normal."
In unrelated news, I sure am looking forward to finding out who Madeleine's sire is in CCoD!
It's only just hitting me how significant it is, given all things Tachonis, that we now know an undead spirit can be transmuted into a celestial. It apparently takes an enormous amount of power and very specific circumstances, but we've seen it done!
And as we just saw with Dame Seremai and her family's spirits, even the unreformed undead sometimes have their own opinions about how they want to act. It's choices and intent, baby, all the way down.
My hope for Team Birdwatch is that now that they're past the entryway(!) of Obrimus Manor, things will calm the fuck down a bit, because I'm going to be pretty annoyed if Cyd dies because the convergence crew only sent four PCs to the house of horrors.
It absolutely makes story sense for Taisha to be at the Hallowed Round - it's Hal's dream made manifest and her daughter is performing - but mechanically? They have a spare druid in Hannan. He could have done the death rites too. Or he could have gone with Team Birdwatch despite his antipathy for Mara.
Did Azune absolutely have to run security in person or could he have left it to the other 346 guards?
And Kattigan was so surplus to requirements he got kidnapped into a different subplot and spent nearly the whole episode in a sack! I really don't know that the same thing would have happened if he was with the Obrimus Manor crew.
So yeah. Here's hoping the rest of the manor shit is more puzzle-based or amenable to Occtis, or that they get to Mara and she can immediately help out. Because it's definitely going to sit badly with me if this all turns to shit because of the group's paranoia about the theater ritual that was obviously going to be friggin' fine.
Primus: hey listen sure I lied about slaughtering a fellow Sundered House but isn't that just the fun game we all play with each other?
My dream response: yes Primus now let's play a game of everyone murders you and your horrible children where you stand.
These Leviathan motherfuckers. Uuuugh I'm going to go to bed so angry if we end on this shit.
Oh, thank goodness the demon sisters are here for a two-minute break from the Horrors.
Hey everyone, how are we feeling about Thjazi's devious plans now? *sniffle*
Random CCoD thoughts:
As everyone has been saying, wow did Ally pull a Hilda Hilda for the first twenty minutes or so of this episode. Since Emily is playing a compulsively honest character for this season, I guess they felt the need to take the "queen of unnecessary lying" crown.
I especially enjoyed the bit where they tried to narrate that HJ got home safe. Adorable! And absolutely zero obstacle to Brennan chasing HJ all the way to the bottom of the creek.
But the real meat of this episode was in the Camarilla checkup visit, and aaah it was so good.
It would be simple to have Koschei and Ermine be comically evil tyrants, but it isn't that kind of season. Koschei truly does support Zaeth and want him to come into his own. And Ermine is surely a bitch, but she at least acknowledged that dropping in on the coterie with one day of notice maybe wasn't ideal.
The Camarilla doesn't want to suck Purpee dry the same way the Whittakers and Douglases do - they aren't summoning exploding cryptids or stealing people's homes. But in the end, they're just another manifestation of the same thing: an amoral hunger for power at all costs.
All that said, what this visit was perfect for was forcing the PCs to start making some big choices about what they're really doing in Purpee and why. It's going to be great to see how it all pans out.
Do you know this TV Show Song? #24
I know the song and the show
I know the song but not the show
I know the show but not the song
I may know this
I have never heard this
@oldguardians making this answer a separate post because it’s kind of interesting*!
‘‘I cannot bear to hear that mentioned. Pray do not talk of that odious man. I do think it is the hardest thing in the world, that your estate should be entailed away from your own children; and I am sure if I had been you, I should have tried long ago to do something or other about it.’’
Jane and Elizabeth attempted to explain to her the nature of an entail. They had often attempted it before, but it was a subject on which Mrs. Bennet was beyond the reach of reason; and she continued to rail bitterly against the cruelty of settling an estate away from a family of ve daughters, in favour of a man whom nobody cared anything about.”
(In the interest of not getting bogged down in legal minutiae, I’ll keep this pretty general. Please note that I am vastly oversimplifying some legal concepts here for the sake of explaining the issue clearly. If you’re an attorney/barrister/whatever, don’t @ me - I KNOW it’s all much more nuanced than this.)
Pride & Prejudice is set somewhere around 1811. In the novel, the Bennets’ ownership interest in the family estate is famously said to be “entailed” away from the Bennet girls in favor of their cousin, Mr. Collins. This is specifically explained to be because Mr. Bennet has no sons, and thus his estate reverts back to his closest male relative.
In the real world, entailment could (and usually did) work that way. But there is an enormous, glaring issue: English entailments have long been very VERY easy to defeat** through a remedy called Common Recovery. If Longbourn was truly entailed away from the female descendants, as the novel indicates, Mr. Bennet could have hired an attorney (his brother-in-law?) to start the Common Recovery process at any time. Within a few months, the court would render a judgment giving Mr. Bennet the property outright and free from any entailment, allowing him to leave the property to his daughters upon his death*** and make them independently wealthy women. And this wasn’t just a possibility - it was a very common legal mechanism that would have been almost expected of a gentleman interested in preserving his family’s comfort. There are hundreds of cases in the English Chancery records (featuring many families that were much less wealthy than the Bennets!) invoking this very remedy whenever fathers failed to produce sons.
So entailment makes no sense - it had basically no power over landowners by the Regency Period.
Let’s talk alternatives. In 1811, the primary way of keeping property in the male line was through another estate planning technique called strict settlement. To GREATLY simplify a complicated form of ownership, strict settlement had the present possessor of property always hold a life estate interest (they own it only until their death), with their male primogeniture descendants holding a remainder fee tail interest (read: eventual outright ownership upon their father’s death). Each generation of life estate owner would then force their young male descendants (the fee tail owner) upon their coming of age to give the young descendant’s unknown future male sons the remainder interest, retaining a life estate for themselves (which they would receive upon their father’s death). Thus the ownership system perpetuates down a male line of descendants, each generation demanding the same restrictive ownership system of their own children.
If you followed that - and I don’t blame you if you didn’t, as this is all very deliberately obtuse - you might think “wait okay. That kind of sounds like the Bennets’ situation. Austen called it an entailment but maybe it was actually a strict settlement!” Several academics have tried to argue that, but it also fails for several reasons:
(1) With the Bennets’ seemingly comfortable current income, strict settlement would have provided for significant lifetime income + dowries for Mr. Bennet’s female descendants. But in P&P, it’s made very clear that the girls’ only possible inheritance is a tiny amount from their mother’s side and nothing from their father’s. If they do not marry, they will be destitute. That is extremely unlikely and would be very shameful in strict settlement ownership..
(2) It would have been inconceivable for Mr. Bennet’s father to have forced him to benefit a cousin over his own descendants, even if they were women. One of the fundamental points of strict settlement was to avoid this outcome (aka to avoid the entailment system). People did NOT want a distant male cousin to inherit property simply because there wasn’t a primogeniture male descendant - they knew that if anything, their own female descendants could always produce a male heir in their marriages. Plus, Mr. Bennet’s and Mr. Collin’s fathers apparently hated each other (ref Mr. Collins’ initial letter) - why would Mr. Bennet’s father force his son to benefit the son of a man he himself hates?
(3) For many many other reasons, a strict settlement does not match how the family talks about/treats the estate in the novel. There’s literally a whole law review article on this topic (cited below), and I’ll defer to that for a full discussion.
So we’re left with two possibilities: the land is entailed, and for some reason Mr. Bennet isn’t willing to pay a small amount in attorney’s fees to undo the entailment for the enormous benefit of his daughters (extremely unlikely, robs the story of all its tension), or the land is subject to a bizarre + shameful strict settlement that goes directly against everything that would have been normal at the time, and none of the characters know that (makes no sense in the story).
And then, of course, there’s the truth: the “entailment” is simply a narrative device that does not reflect actual law or historical transfer of property at death, which is perfectly fine. Jane Austen was not writing a law textbook or even a legal drama. And her underlying point remains clear: Regency-era women were often in economically precarious positions and forced to marry to maintain their social and economic standings.
((If you do want a version in your head that works under the law, maybe we imagine that Mr. Collin’s father actually owned the home but was in debt to Mr. Bennet so he gave him some kind of strange lifelong leasehold interest with income from the property included. And then we ignore the passage saying Mr. Bennet having a son would have “avoided” the home passing to Mr. Collins + pretend that the family lied to everybody about the home being entailed to save face))
For additional reading, I highly recommend A FUNHOUSE MIRROR OF LAW: THE ENTAILMENT IN JANE AUSTEN’S PRIDE AND PREJUDICE by Peter A. Appel (linked). His analysis reflects my own reading of Regency inheritance law, and I think his conclusions are generally sound. There is significant other scholarship on this subject, but I find Appel’s work the most persuasive.
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* At least to me, who admittedly studies this for a living
** For fun War of the Roses reasons!
*** Or much more likely, to a male relative conservator/trustee for their benefit (probably Mrs. Bennet’s brother, the attorney)
Lessons from the 90s that children today need
Thinking about how Thjazi not breaking the glyph was a snap decision. He didn't plan his own execution in advance as part of a masterstroke play, based on how he was joking with Hal he clearly expected to escape using the glyph. And then he saw that falcon, presumably Mara the Wing. Others have mentioned that he likely chose to die because what he was doing with the blood from the River Gavzidra required someone be in the Tenebral Reaches, and him seeing Mara signaled to him that her passage had been blocked, and he realized he had an express if one way ticket to exactly where his plans needed someone to be. So Thjazi chose to allow his own execution to proceed, and rushed out his last words to Hal in the scant few seconds he had. Circumstances very suddenly required him to willingly sacrifice himself for his cause, and he made that choice very decisively even as he was clearly scared to die. Thjazi was certainly a lot of things, but one of those things was that he was a man who was willing to give up everything if it meant living out his ideals.
Oh, and here's some wild speculation: yes, Thjazi had some kind of plan to meet with Mara in the underworld, but something went wrong with it, which is why he was so alarmed to see her at the execution. Maybe she was supposed to be waiting on the other side?
But crucially, what Thjazi didn't plan for was Julien spitting on his corpse and ruining the funerary rites, meaning Thjazi's spirit never got anywhere Nullus could find it.
Maybe he's been riding Julien's shadow all this time, which would be hilarious, but the comedy of Julien inadvertently saving Thjazi's soul by desecrating his funeral would be more than enough for me.
Some random next-day thoughts on "Chasing Shadows":
Wick is so brave, oh my goodness. This episode was replete with PCs not giving him enough credit, but the Schemers, at the very least, should have had a notion of what he was braving by walking back into his grandmother's clutches.
"I've put too much work into you to kill you just because I'm angry" is a terrifying sentiment, on multiple levels, but it's also so typical of the Sundered Houses' attitude towards their children. Wick wasn't saved by love; he was saved because he's a useful tool.
Life wins over death, yeah? The Sundered Houses are run by old autocrats who will never, ever let go of power - not even to pass it to the next generation, not even after death.
Hero and Shadia are here not just to be delightful, but to act as a contrast: the next orcish generation are the kind of moral, clever, confident young women who can corral thirteen-plus revolutionary cats into an actual coherent plan and reforge god-killing swords with a paintbrush. That's the big magic - the work their parents and community did all these years to raise them right.
Speaking of which: after the trauma of Occtis and everything the Seekers found in Tannesar, I get why we're seeing horrible rituals around every corner, but guys. I will bet you a shiny internet nickel the only ritual going down next episode is the one Thjazi plotted at the Hallowed Round. (Which is not evil, Ashley! Come on!)
The PCs are acting like Primus and focusing too much on magic instead of remembering the importance of the temporal. That big Sundered Houses meeting isn't a ritual; it's to question House Tachonis about what actually happened to House Royce.
In other words, the Sundered Houses have their collective conspiracy, but the individual houses also have their own schemes. The Build a Celestial plot, the attack on the Golden Orchard, and all of the related shenanigans are the Tachonis acting on their own.
Presumably, the payoff the Tachonis are hoping for will make them more powerful than all of the other houses combined. But they're not there yet, so this meeting has a very small but very real chance of really fucking up their plans.
Finally, let's end on another member of the next generation - I'm so, so glad Demodus made it out okay, and I absolutely get why Murray couldn't even consider taking Gus's offer. She still has every other kid at the Penteveral to protect.
Ah, what a series of smash hit scenes from Wick and Azune weaponizing the truth to Vaelus finally admitting hers. And all just in time for opening night!
And now, the DM of my life will punish me for staying up until 3am. Good night, everyone.
Y'all, of course it wasn't Wick's mom who got snake-eaten. You think Iris friggin' Halovar sets tables? That's for the plebes.
Oh man. The tale you tell really is the spell, huh?
The last war was won with swords, and this one is being fought with...paint. I wanted to cry at that, too.