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Henry Creel is not naturally a cruel person. The only reason Henry Creel ever got possessed by the Mind Flayer is because he went in the cave to help that scientist. It was this act of kindness that sealed his fate, his biggest mistake in life was being kind
Don’t hide this in the tags. It’s important.
I love you
Something about Henry being a socially awkward nerd of a teenager who has a love for theater in TFS breaks my heart when I think of the man I see in Stranger Things
you will struggle to say the unsayable thing for five years straight. and then it will suddenly become easy on a Wednesday morning
big bad villain making chocolate chip pancakes in his whimsical fairytale barbie dreamhouse
DEREK!!!! 🥹😄
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Josh Horowitz: "Jamie Campbell Bower's performance: unbelievable in this season throughout [audience cheers]. How much of it was in the script to convey the ambiguity, the conflict he's experiencing - especially as that final episode progresses in the cave - and how much was it just discussing on the set...? "
Duffers, paraphrased: It was all Jamie.
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Jamie: In that final episode, there is that cave moment, and that is where the [idea of] lost innocence comes back. That's what it's about for this character - it's this lost innocence.
It was just about bringing [Henry Creel] to life and making him as human as possible. And I felt so heartless for so much of Season 5, particularly playing Mr. Whatsit, and then coming in for that final [cave] scene in episode 8. I was like, "Oh my God, I love this character. I love him. I just want to look after him and nurture him."
And then we have:
(Excerpt from S5.08 Script)
Did you hear that? It was the sound of my heart breaking.
How they should’ve ended up. 🧇🕰️🦋
….
(I can’t draw men, I’m sorry that Henry is so chopped)
Henry Creel is not naturally a cruel person. The only reason Henry Creel ever got possessed by the Mind Flayer is because he went in the cave to help that scientist. It was this act of kindness that sealed his fate, his biggest mistake in life was being kind
“everyone is mad at me and they just won’t tell me” —> “no one has said anything about being mad at me and i haven’t done anything to warrant being mad at so if someone is silently fuming about me and not saying anything that’s their problem and actually quite weird of them and i can effortlessly move on with my life”
this took SUCH a huge deal of unlearning because, like so many of you, i came out of a home where being quietly in trouble WAS the default state, and i DID grow up not just with the assumption but borderline religious conviction that Everyone Is Mad At Me, I Am Bad, I Must Exist In A Constant State of Attempting to Pacify The Natural Rage I Inspire In Everyone. and no it actually turns out that my family are the freaks . and yours are too
“this isn’t true because i DEFINITELY silently fume at people in the hopes they’ll figure out what they did and apologize” that’s not good. you shouldn’t do that
“this isn’t true because the ex-friendship that traumatized me ended explosively after they were mad at me and never told me why” that’s not good. they shouldn’t be doing that
“i don’t think this is true because my current friend group is constantly icing me out until i figure out what ive done to upset them and properly apologized without being told” hey thats not good. they should not be doing that
if the peacefulness of your relationship with someone (familial, romantic, friendly, anything) can be destroyed by effective communication/asking them for effective communication, you have got to get out of there. if you can’t get out of there, you’ve got to throw away any ideas about what that person thinks of you because they have their own shit to figure out before they can accurately read anyone else
The Stranger Things finale has a massive structural problem that many casual viewers might not notice, but it’s glaring for anyone familiar with the full canon. I’m talking about the failure to portray Henry Creel as a victim to the general public. For the vast majority of the audience - those who haven't seen The First Shadow - Henry Creel is a born psychopath. Based solely on Season 4 and 5, he’s a narcissistic monster who killed his family out of boredom. This is why people cheered during the finale when Joyce beheaded him. It felt like a "badass" moment, a cathartic end to a villain. But for those who know the play, this death wasn't triumphant - it was a tragic failure of the narrative to honor its own protagonist's trauma.
The show treats the events of the play as "Easter eggs" (Max seeing young Joyce, the play flyers), but it fails to integrate the emotional weight of those events. In the finale, the reveal that the Mind Flayer infected Henry felt like a "retcon" or a cheap excuse to many. Why? Because the show never showed us Henry resisting. The general audience still thinks Henry killed his mother and sister by choice. They don't know that the Mind Flayer forced his hand, or that his mother was ready to lobotomize him and hand him over to Brenner because she was terrified of him. One of the biggest narrative crimes is the omission of Patty Newby. Without Patty, Henry has no "goodness" to return to in the eyes of the viewer. In the play, we see a boy who cries, who loves, and who is desperately trying to stay human. In the show, Max dismisses his memories as "sick and psychopathic." By having our protagonists dismiss Henry’s inner world, the writers told the audience: "Don't bother empathizing with him. With the massive runtime of the final episodes, there was more than enough room to show us the real Henry. Not the monster, but the boy in the lab who was forced by Brenner to kill animals and people. We needed to see the tears, the coercion, and the tragedy. Instead, the show chose spectacle over character depth. Henry Creel is arguably the most complex character in the ST universe, but the finale failed to bridge the gap between the "stage" and the "screen." By locking his humanity behind a theater door, the Duffer Brothers turned a tragic victim into a one-dimensional slasher villain. For the general public, his death was a victory. For the story, it was a missed opportunity to explore the show's true theme: that no child is born a monster; they are made into one by the adults and the "shadows" that fail them.
To anyone still claiming The First Shadow isn't canon: Season 5 literally proves it on screen. These aren't just nods; they are narrative anchors. We see Max witnessing a young Joyce distributing flyers for the school play. This directly confirms that the events of 1959 happened exactly as depicted on stage. The names of the students and the "party" involved in the play appear in Henry’s/Max’s mindscape. Henry’s memories of the cave and the lab are consistent with the play’s lore. The problem isn't the "canonicity"—it's the presentation. The Duffers chose to treat the most vital parts of Henry’s backstory as background details (Easter eggs) rather than central plot points. You cannot expect a general audience to understand a character's soul through a blurry flyer in the background. If the show acknowledges the play as canon, it has a responsibility to show the emotional consequences of that canon, not just the trivia.
supposed to be the evil villain they defeat in the final season and they just babygirlify the fuck out of him
Despite being interviewed individually, all three gave the exact same response
Vecna, 4x01 | Peter, 4x07
Some things never change
Tbh I think this (awkward and autistic) gesture of affection is genuine, in both cases. He tries to calm El and Chrissy down, like “It’s okay, it’ll be over soon. I’m doing what I need to do…”
Even if people like to deny it, there’s still something soft and good in him.
