True, there is a strong contingent of Deangirls who partake in the I Saw Goody Sam Winchester Dancing With The Devil Under the Pale Moonlight discourse but truthfully what I mostly see is people using āEmmaā as a cipher for their OCs or as a way to get to GirlDad! Dean despite him being raped by a cult member. Any port in a storm I guess.
1.) Megstiel. āMegā is a horrible, unredeemable character who sexually assaulted both of our leading characters, sexually assaulted and killed Jo (who is supposed to be one of the main characters best friends), decided to go by the name of an innocent girl she skin walked inas well as raped and killed, walking around in her skin doing heinous shit for over a year (including killing people Sam and Dean have known since childhood) and paralyzed Bobby. Iāve seen a lot of people say they donāt consider blonde and brunette Meg to be the same character butā¦ she does a lot of this shit after her reincarnation as brunette Meg. That the writers could have chosen to make her a completely different demon at some point and didnāt points to them either not giving a fuck about characterization or believing the audience was so stupid it didnāt matter. This sadly proved to be true as Meg was just so adorable calling Castiel her unicorn and he was just so adorable telling her he learned that from the pizza man uwu. The idea that Sam and Dean would ever be reluctant allies with Meg is fucking stupid and I have some severe issues with them calling her āMegā at all aka. the name of the girl she maimed, raped and eventually killed. Who (the spirit of the real Meg) tells Dean this to his fucking face in s5. If there has ever been a ship that proves the general Supernatural audience has the memory of a goldfish it is this one.
2.) Dean/Lisa for the myriad of reasons I have brought up previously. For all intents and purposes they donāt fucking know each other AT ALL until he shows up at her house post Samās dive into the pit. That Kripke depended on the audience having a collective psychosis and forgetting that Dean in fact actually did have a woman he truly loved (Cassie) and the fact that it wasnāt Lisa (aka. āGumby Girlā to quote Dean) shows exactly what Kripke thinks about women in general. A one night stand is the same thing as a first love. Sure. Add in Ben, the worst child actor in a show full of bad child actors, and you have a truly nauseous scenario. I really fucking hate Ben lmao. Cindy Sampson deserved better than what the bronlies dished out to her but jfc what a fucking dumb relationship built on believing the audience to be full of idiotic misogynists. Guess they bet right with that one.
3.) Rowena/Gabriel. This was a late seasons horror sprung unawares on an unsuspecting audience. I cannot think of any reason for this shit other than the āeveryone wants to fuck these guysā thesis. Iāll reiterate again that this is why I like Charlie despite her obviously being written by a straight man because THANK FUCK one character wasnāt randomly into sex with these losers.
4.) Sam/Madison. This wasnāt really a relationship but since plenty of fans love it Iāll mention it. This was very disturbing from the time they met and I honestly cannot believe a woman (Sera Gamble) wrote it to be romantic. It literally starts with him telling her āyou donāt seem like the kind of bimbo that would be abusedā, reaches its peak with gross JarPad sex scene flexing and ends with Sam shooting her. I literally prefer Sam/Jess and Sam/Sarah over this creepy as fuck pairing.
5.) Sam/Amelia. Low hanging fruit I know. But the creepiest thing about it to me was the Vaseline on the lens soft focus all of these scenes were shot in. Very similar to Deanās Heaven next door to his abusive dad tbh.
Why do you think Jensen is being so negative about Destiel these days? He seemed very accepting the last few years but now heās making faces at the mention of it? So fucking weird
I have to admitā¦ I have no idea what in particular this is about. Maybe the idiocy a few weeks ago?
Anyway Iāll try to answer your question. Think about when JA was being āvery acceptingā. Aka back when he had a show he needed all the Destiel fans to watch and support because the usual paypigs of bronlies and j2 supporters wouldnāt touch it with someone elseās dick due to poor JarPad being unaware of its existence (still the funniest day in the fandom tbh). He needed the other side of the fandom and so he didnāt vomit at the mention of Destiel for a while.
Now Daddy Kripke has him set up for at least a couple of years smoking cigars, saying post ironic racial slurs and talking about pussy so to be frank, he doesnāt need these fans anymore. Itās really that simple. He is FEELING himself these days lmao.
The bisou bisou is just a dumb inside joke relating to the incomparable Canadian actress Alexia Fast, she who breathed life into the most consequential Supernatural character in existence, one Emma (last name often given as Winchester in honour of her motherās rape victim) in her five minutes of screen time in season 7ās seminal episode āThe Slice Girlsā. Bisou bisou to you anon.
I donāt! I once closed the replies on a post where JarPad fangirls were doing their standard cult approved messaging shit because it bored me but I have never blocked anyone to date on this account lmao
I will bite on this one just because it made me laugh. This is the post in question btw
I was going through my asks trying to catch up a bit and saw this same sort of question posed about this same posterā¦ from over three months ago š Apparently they didnāt get the swarms of Emmanatural tumblr devotees attention they were craving so posted the same shit again.
Far be it from me to be the moral āSupernatural family cultā police but there is something quite disturbing about posting the real life daughter of an actor on this show and pretending that because Alexia Fast and this real life daughter are both white they look amazingly alike. Whichā¦ they donāt. At all.
If you really want #Emmanaturalās attention you should bring up their three favourite points in some kind of order of your choosing aka. Sam is the devil for shooting Emma, SHE WAS HIS DAUGHTER YOU SICK FUCKS and she was Deanās Only Real Child ā¢. Not involve a child who has fuck all to do with this shit.
has there ever been an instance of an actor not knowing they were playing a queer character or are the destiel people mental? :)
Not sure this is the answer youāre going to want butā¦ yes lmao. Absolutely there have been.
Classic film examples include Laurence Olivier in Spartacus not telling Tony Curtis of the implications of their relationship, Charlton Heston having no idea he was playing a queer character in Ben-Hur (and other actors explicitly being told TO play it in this way but not tell him), and Judith Anderson in Hitchcockās Rebecca learning years after the fact that she played a lesbian in love with her employer. So yes it happens and has happened since forever. Not that Iām implying Jensen Ackles is Laurence Olivier here. Or even Charlton Heston though I guess he might enjoy that comparison
Keep getting anon messages where people bring up dumb shit to prove JA isnāt homophobic lmao. Like a hypothetical situation in which a blue haired fan could dye his beard rainbow for pride month or how he didnāt vomit sharing the stage with drag queens or how Danneel posts pride messages on instagram šš. Or that did you know he has a gay aunt?!!!!!! I did actually lmaooooooo
I donāt care. But itās fascinating how some of his fans do care so much that theyāre hitting up a troll account of an utterly heinous five-min character to ādefendā him. Are we all living in a simulation? Are we all dead and living in hell? Is this Purgaytory?
Have a burrito and a good day šššššš
why is jensen being so homophobic again? cas confessing to him was like a father accepting his gay child? lololol wtf
I honestly had to look this up bc believe it or not my post yesterday had nothing to do with the current debacle lmao. Just great timing I guess.
I would guess JA is FEELING himself right now due to the sheer ecstasy of being Kripkeās muse in a Manly Amazon Prime show and so no longer feels the need to pander to the queer audience as he has (barely) done for the last several years. That would be my guess.
u never answered the question about the best actors on this showā¦
I always wonder if this question means ābest actor on this showā or ābest actor generallyā but anyway
Sterling K Brown. This one seems so fucking obvious to me. Played what could have very well been a cliche in Gordon but made him have layers of complicated villainy and emotion. Heās so much better than the material itās almost insane. Shows the difference between real acting and most of what is done on this show tbh. Some of JAās best acting was with him in their first episode together, opening up about John. He brings the best out of people. Heās that kind of actor. Being that heās a black man, Kripke had to humiliate him numerous times and kill him off in the most gruesome way possible of course. But his acting gives me chills even on this dumbass show.
I know the fandom at large fucking hates Metatron even more than Gordon but Curtis Armstrong also is a very good actor. Loretta Devine I donāt know if I can count or not since her appearances are so negligible but sheās also an amazing actress.
ive seen lots of people say jensen is homophobic and hates destiel... do u believe that's true lol
I'm personally not sure about the homophobic part, like I don't think he is (apparently he has a lesbian aunt who's part of his life? so I'm assuming no), and idk if he hates destiel either? like he has said (at some con) he played dean as a straight male because that's how he viewed dean, but then he's also contributed to a lot of destiel in the show and out of it. and maybe some of it was just appeasing fans during cons and stuff but idk
as a fan of the show I did ship destiel and believed them to be romantic and thought dean was just a super repressed bisexual lmaoaoa but tbh i never actually believed we'd see it go canon (like a destiel kiss) because i just never saw jensen agreeing to kissing another man lmaooooo like he is NOT gay for pay idk
anyway just wanted ur thoughts <3
First off Iāll answer the part of your ask I have personal experience with. I am a lesbian. All of my various siblings support me to various levels and would never call themselves homophobic. I have a sister who goes to Pride āfor me <3ā lmao. Yet this is all pretty easy shit for anyone who is not violently homophobic. Nothing about who I sleep with affects their personal lives and I imagine having āan auntā who is a lesbian would be even less so. Their life and your life are separated not only by gender but by age (I am assuming here I have no idea how old she is). Plenty of my brothers are also casually homophobic to people not me lmao. There are different rules for different spheres of influence. Not hate criming a family member means zero in overall homophobia to me.
I donāt know JA personally. All I can go by is what Iāve seen and what heās done publicly. And I know that unprompted he told the story about wanting to be in a western before Brokeback Mountain came out. There is absolutely no reason to say this other than homophobia. The crux of the ājokeā is that he liked cowboys before they got GAY. He was hardly the only man with this opinion but heās the one who chose to share this anecdote which does make me wonder what else he has said about these topics he doesnāt share if he thought this was appropriate. Again, this was unprompted.
I personally couldnāt give less of a shit about what any actor on spn thinks about their character or the way they āthinkā they played them. Who gives a fuck. But I do find it fascinating how personally JA has taken queer Dean readings in the past. I also do find it bizarre that Kripke at least pretended to be into On The Road and Kerouac and named Dean after the openly bisexual character in that novel and literally has him cruising guys in the first season (a lot of people miss this but to a queer person itās very obvious lmaoā¦ watch the unedited version of The Benders episode if you donāt believe me. Actually just watch the edited for streaming version and wonder why Dean took a leak for over an hour thus leaving Sam vulnerable to kidnapping lmao). Was JA really this oblivious? I donāt know. Itās lowkey hilarious if he was. A lot of the queer shit from the early show is early 2000s homophobia made hilarious retrospectively but then there are examples like the above that are just weird even within context.
I suppose now I could go into the various cons where heās said dumb shit and where canonical events (Castielās confession TO Dean not even something Dean himself did lmao) were absolutely verboten for years. But saying dumb shit at cons is basically what people go to them for. They live for this shit lmao. There is also a very large contingent of Supernatural fans who act like they have to āprotectā JA from any mention of queer Dean which is hilarious. That these same women are the same people paying thousands of US dollars to go to these conventions over. And over. And over. Cannot be overstated. There is a vested interest in keeping them happy and paying customers. Not that I blame them. Itās the perfect grift.
Supernatural (the entity) generally treats their fans like morons. I know weāre on the tumblr side of fandom (god help us all) over here but there is also a very large block of conservatives who loved the show and itās pro gun, pro life, shoot your way out of trouble, my dick is my car overt messaging lmao. What this means is that they have always played it on both sides. They literally had āDestielā (as in yes, the ship name) merchandise for sale at Hot Topic with the tagline āwait and see ;)ā on it. They always wanted to have it both ways. More money that way. Destiel fans have been conditioned to accept the very barest scraps as validation. If JA doesnāt vomit at the mention of Destiel itās considered to be stunning and brave. Why they give a fuck about what he thinks is beyond me.
I would typically say that āgay for payā is a pretty heinous way to describe an actor agreeing to a gay storyline but in this case I acquiesce since I truly do believe this is exactly how JA looks at it. The super fans can babble on and on about how his Days of our Lives character could have been gay!, how he once portrayed a sexless bisexual in a terrible Marilyn Monroe movie on television back in the stone ages, blah blah blah. Heās never going to do anything to ruin his carefully curated (and frankly stupid ā¦ to me) persona of a rugged manly man (lmao) who doesnāt even do rom coms let alone gay romance. I donāt understand the tender worship for either JA or JarPad nor do I understand the āpersonalitiesā that have been assigned to them by the cultish fandom āSupernatural Family :)ā. I remember someone one asked me about JA being in āThe Vampire Lestatā and I could barely stop laughing. Luckily for him Kripke will keep him employed for as long as his shit gets green lit and there are a myriad of cop shows for him to act in.
The misogyny and rape as a joke in Supernatural pisses me off so much. Lucifer, Meg, and Crowley are abhorrent. Like ok they're evil demons, but then Meg and Crowley get so woobified by the show and fans. Daphne Allen and April the reaper are fucking creeps too and I hate seeing posts citing them as arguments for Bi!Cas. Another example that I haven't seen criticized much is Sam being ok with sleeping with Genevieve in The French Mistake and it's played for laughs
The writers generally had a real problem with taking rape seriously. In fucking universe we have Sam calling Crowley and Demon!Deanās time together (which is shown to be genuinely upsetting to Dean) the āSummer of Loveā and have Castiel and Dean reminiscing over April by saying how hot she was. Hilarious. One day I will need to get off my ass and write an entire post about April as requested by an anon and describe how Buckleming and Jeremy Carver were allowed to fuck up canon and make rape jokes. Anon, I am thinking about it I promise
Iāve talked about how hideous I find Meg as a character in her later seasons but I guess they were banking on the audience being dumb as a fucking brick and hey, it worked out for them. Even if you donāt find her sexually assaulting Dean and Sam to be awful (men canāt be assaulted amirite) she fucking assaulted Jo and was responsible for her death and fucking raped the real Meg and killed her too. And then paraded around using her name. This is what is so truly despicable about the writers in the rebirth of Meg as a āthorny beautyā , being a reluctant ally and flirting with Castiel to me. Why in the fuck would you continue to use the name of the girl she MURDERED for this character. Why they couldnāt make the Rachel Minor demon a different demon to begin with just shows how little respect any of the writers had for the audience or the characters they were writing. Megstiel truly makes me gag more than any other ship. This is the kind of writing you canāt even truthfully call lazy. Itās just inherently bad.
That the relationship with rape being the height of hilarity at worst and unimportant at best is scattered throughout every showrunnerās era is disturbing. From Lydia raping Dean being SO hot and sexy to Megās assaults being totally memory holed because she was just SO cute with Castiel this show has a lot to answer for when it comes to consent, rape and rape victims.
what do you think about jared as lucifer? i see so many people say he was the best one but he was doing some real smell the fart acting to me
I would tend to agree with you. People (including fucking Kripke and JA) gas up JarPadās performance as Lucifer in the white suit etc. but it always seemed unintentionally hilarious to me. Like ā¦. why did he always look on the verge of tears and/or laughter lmao. The nostril flaring seems more annoying retrospectively because soon his dramatic acting would completely devolve into these kind of tics. Definitely not good acting by any measure other than the Samgirl/JarPad cult barometer.
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