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lily antis are crazy. Yall will make a fuss abt a woman doing the same thing you would let a man scot free for. Voldemort was killing ppl based off of their blood status, but its ok cuz hes an orphan. James bullied a guy in school, but oh its fine cuz at the end he changed!! And snape became a bigoted DE, but its fine cuz he had an abusive childhood, and the marauders bullied him and Lily smiled at it!! But Lily was also a 15yo....? So maybe she liked james too,,,?? She was literally 15 yo mind u, teenagers arent the most mature grp of ppl. Snape was out here calling everyone of her birth mudbloods and she smiled at james...? Yk anyone whos had a crush when theyre 15 yo know u immediately smile at ur crush when u see them, and even if she smiled not necessarily cuz of that reason... Again, she was 15yo. (edited since u guys cant tell this is me doing the mental gymnastics yall do to defend ur problematic male favs) Ppl will do mental gymnastics to defend snape and james and hate on lily when she behaved how 15 yo teen girls behave, she didnt behave perfectly in that instant, but a teen is not the paradigm of good, moral behavior. Atp yall will only accept characters flaws as long as they have some whiny backstory to support it, or dare i say it, as long as theyre a guy. Crazy cuz lily was the most realistic person in that whole era

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I think a big part of the disconnect between Lily fans and Snape fans comes down to how we view characters. Snape fans tend to focus on cause and effect. We think about things chronologically and look at how people’s backgrounds and environments shaped their choices. That’s not about excusing bad behavior. It’s just about trying to understand it.

It’s not that people ignore Lily’s context or the fact that she was a 15-year-old girl or a Muggleborn in a dangerous world. It’s that her actions don’t always line up with the values people claim she stood for. If she stopped being friends with Snape because he was using slurs or getting involved with the wrong crowd, that would make sense. But it’s clear from the scene that she only drew the line once it affected her personally. That’s very human, but it also weakens the idea that she stood up for what was right all along…it’s also a very unlikable trait, especially coming from a “good” character.

The same goes for how she handled bullying. She didn’t intervene when Snape was being humiliated, even though she clearly saw it happening. And later she married the guy who did it. You don’t have to hate her for that, but it’s understandable why some people feel uncomfortable with it. A lot of readers relate more to experiences like betrayal and social pressure than to big, abstract themes like war or prophecy. That’s why people react more strongly to Lily’s choices than to, say, Voldemort’s backstory.

Another factor is that Lily just isn’t a very fleshed-out character in canon. That’s not her fault, but we don’t actually know much about what she thought or felt. We know she was a Muggleborn, in Gryffindor, had a falling out with Snape, married James, and died young. That’s about it. Her motivations are mostly left for fans to fill in.

People who like projecting or imagining character backstories might love her for that. But fans of more complex characters often don’t. Snape is flawed and complicated, but we know how he thinks. We see his regrets, his loyalty, his bitterness, his growth. Whether you like him or not, you can’t say we don’t know him.

So I don’t think most Snape fans hate Lily because she’s a girl or because she smiled at James. They just don’t find her arc satisfying or consistent. And I think this idea that people only accept character flaws when a man has a tragic backstory isn’t quite fair here. Most of us are just more interested in characters we actually know and understand.

There’s definitely misogyny in fandom spaces, and it should be called out. But I don’t think that’s the main thing going on when people don’t care for Lily Evans.

Also, this take kind of ignores something really basic about human nature and fandom: people are always going to feel negatively toward characters who hurt or undermine the characters they love. That’s not exclusive to Snape fans — it’s literally how all character loyalty works. If you care deeply about a character, you’re naturally going to be critical of people in the story who make that character suffer or look bad, especially if it feels unjust or unresolved.

The irony is that the original post is doing the exact same thing — defending Lily while being harsh on Snape because they like Lily more. That’s fine. That’s how people engage with stories. But you can’t turn around and say Snape fans are uniquely biased or irrational for doing what everyone in every fandom does: defending the characters they care about and questioning the ones who hurt them.

I also think this whole argument feels like it’s coming from a bit of a fandom echo chamber or maybe just the algorithm feeding you a skewed view. I genuinely don’t think Lily is as widely hated as this post makes it sound. Most people don’t hate her — they just don’t love her as much as you do, and that’s okay. Also, it’s worth pointing out that Snape is meant to be a red herring. From the very first book, we’re trained to view him as the antagonist, only to later realize he’s more complicated than we thought. That makes people more used to criticism of his character; it’s literally baked into the story. But when someone’s favorite character is framed almost entirely as a noble hero (like Lily), any criticism feels personal — not because it’s harsher, but because the narrative never prepared fans to see them as flawed. That’s why people tend to be way more sensitive when you critique “heroic” characters, even if the critique is valid. It’s not really about fairness, it’s about who the story told you to root for.

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The idea that Snape deserved to have Levicorpus used on him because he “must’ve used it first” is not just canonically unsupported— it’s LAZY.

The whole argument is built entirely on speculation and the need to justify James Potter’s and the rest of the Marauders’ bullying by inventing a crime for the victim.

Let’s start with how magic actually works in the Harry Potter universe. The claim that someone must see a spell used in order to perform it is just wrong. We have multiple examples where characters learn spells by reading about them—no demonstration needed.

Harry learns Sectumsempra—ironically, another one of Snape’s spells—from a scribbled note in a textbook. He’s never seen it before. He doesn’t know what it does. He casts it anyway. That’s… kind of a major plot point? At least for those of us who are actually interested in the canon:

“Blood spurted from Malfoy’s face and chest as though he had been slashed with an invisible sword.” (Half-Blood Prince, Ch. 24)

He learns Levicorpus the exact same way. The actual text says:

“There were many crossings-out and alterations, but finally, crammed into a corner of the page, the scribble: Levicorpus (nvbl)” (Half-Blood Prince, Ch. 12)

No one showed it to him. No one cast it on him. He just reads the incantation, tries it, and it works.

Still not convinced? Hermione fixes Harry’s glasses on the Hogwarts Express before even starting her first year. She’s Muggleborn. No magical family, no prior exposure. She learned Oculus Reparo from a book. Again, this is not an edge case—this is how spell acquisition works in this world.

So no—James using Levicorpus doesn’t prove Snape used it first. It just proves James had access to the spell. And considering the Marauders routinely mocked, hexed, and publicly humiliated Snape—and in Sirius’s case, literally tried to get him killed—it’s not far-fetched to think they got their hands on Snape’s spellwork. Whether they overheard him, copied him, or stole from his belongings—which we don’t see happen directly in canon, but which would be completely in character. Frankly, it’s a lot less far-fetched than the idea that Snape secretly used this spell maliciously on someone and only James knew about it.

And then there’s this fixation on the spell itself, as if Levicorpus being used in general is the problem, not the actual bullying and public humiliation that came with it.

It’s not the spells themselves that are the issue—they’re just tools. Like any tool, what matters is how they’re used. If I had a pair of scissors in my backpack at school, no one would care. But if someone grabbed those scissors and used them to cut someone’s pants off in the middle of a crowd? That’s not “just a prank”—that’s sexual harassment. And it wouldn’t suddenly become my fault for owning the scissors. The responsibility would fall on the person who stole them and chose to use them to humiliate someone. The same logic applies here. Levicorpus wasn’t evil. What made it wrong was how it was used—publicly, without consent, and with the clear goal of degrading someone in front of an audience. That’s not about spellcraft. That’s about intent and accountability.

People talk about this like James was getting revenge for some offscreen moral wrong. But he wasn’t. We see what happened. It was unprovoked. Just a continuation of his usual bullying. And when asked why, James says:

“Well, it’s more the fact that he exists.” (Order of the Phoenix, Ch. 28)

That’s not retaliation. That’s not some righteous call-out. That’s targeted harassment. And again, if Snape had really used this spell first, why didn’t James or Sirius ever say so? Why not call it out publicly or confront him at the time or mention it right then so he knows what he’s being punished for so that it wouldn’t happen again? Why wait until he was isolated and surrounded to strike? If this was justice, why hide it behind mob tactics?

And another thing…

Even if Snape had used Levicorpus on someone, the assumption that it was some poor, innocent student is just that—an assumption. Why not one of the Marauders? They were actively bullying him. If you’re being followed, hexed, or cornered, and you invent—or find—a spell that flips someone upside down and buys you time to escape, how is that not a logical form of self-defense? That’s what protective magic is for.

And even if he used it on one of them, the situation would still be completely different. In movie canon, they’re shown wearing trousers—not robes only like it’s implied Snape was—so the sexual humiliation aspect (which is absolutely part of what happened to Snape) likely wouldn’t apply in reverse. Either way, we know that if the spell had been used on one of them, it didn’t happen publicly. And unlike Snape, they wouldn’t have been left alone and mocked—there would’ve been at least three friends, if not an entire crowd, rushing to help whoever it was aimed at. That alone changes the entire dynamic.

And while we’re here, let’s talk about Lily Evans—since Marauders fans love to treat her like the moral compass for James’s redemption arc. They argue that James must have changed because Lily dated him. Fine. But you don’t get to invoke her judgment when it supports James and then ignore it when it doesn’t. One of the things Lily says she finds disgusting about James is his bullying. She only starts dating him later, after he supposedly grew out of that behavior—though even that’s debatable.

So let’s be honest: if Snape had been going around hexing innocent people for fun—physically or magically attacking them not just verbal attacks —it’s hard to imagine Lily sticking around as his friend for as long as she did. She was outspoken. She distanced herself from cruelty. She even says:

“You’re as bad as he is.” (to James, about bullying Snape)

So if Snape had been cruel like that—openly hexing or bullying other students—before calling Lily a Mudblood (which is the moment that finally caused her to walk away and call him cruel), then why would she have stayed close to him for years? If she’s such a brilliant moral compass, as the Marauders fandom loves to frame her, why wouldn’t she have distanced herself sooner? You can’t have it both ways: either Lily had no problem being best friends with someone who went around tormenting innocent people, or Snape wasn’t doing that. And if your whole argument relies on her being this unwavering judge of character, then her continued loyalty to him undercuts the narrative that he was out there being some schoolyard villain all along.

For the people who want to hate Snape as a Death Eater or a cold, bitter man later in life: fine. That’s fair. But we’re not talking about adult Snape. We’re talking about a child. A child being humiliated in public and hexed by a group of peers. Saying he deserved that because of what he might become is absurd. No one in that moment knew who he would grow into. Preemptively punishing him because you hate the adult version of him is intellectually dishonest—and frankly, weird.

And maybe the biggest contradiction of all the — final nail in James Potter‘s coffin, so to speak: creating this whole elaborate justification for James’s actions completely undercuts the actual point of that specific plot line and character arc—Harry realizing that his father, the man he idolized, was kind of a bully. That moment matters. It’s messy, it’s uncomfortable, and it forces Harry to wrestle with the reality that someone he loves wasn’t perfect. That’s the entire premise of James’s characterization: that he was arrogant and cruel as a teenager but supposedly “grew up” into a better man. or so they say at least…But when Harry asks about what he saw—when he’s clearly shaken—neither Sirius nor Lupin offers a real defense. Sirius especially, who was already trying to downplay it, would’ve jumped at the chance to say, “Well, Snape used it first” or “Snape hexed someone and James was standing up for them.” But they don’t. Not even once. And if they didn’t offer that explanation then, it’s probably because it didn’t exist. So when fans invent one to make James look better in hindsight, they’re not just rewriting Snape—they’re rewriting the people closest to James who had every chance to justify him… and couldn’t.

People are really out here spinning entire off-page narratives where Snape “probably used the spell first” on someone who “probably didn’t deserve it” and somehow only James found out and decided to get justice without letting his little crew know about the plan… and that’s supposed to make what we did see okay? That’s not canon. That’s fanfiction. Written by people who just don’t want to admit that James Potter was a bully.

So to build this whole moral justification around the idea that Snape used the spell maliciously on someone and that’s why he “deserved it”—when we don’t even know for sure he created it, and we definitely don’t see him use it—is an absurdly flimsy basis for defending public harassment and humiliation. It’s projection. It’s fiction. And it’s cowardly.