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Friendly reminder that Sansa is in the Eyrie, flirting with Harry the Heir, being BFFs with Myranda, and eating a giant lemoncake.
I saw your 5x03 reviews and, with all respect, I don't fully understand what is it about "Olly, bring me my sword" that bothers you so much? Like, I'm a book reader and I understand that is kind of different in the books because we're inside Jon's head, but I feel that the essence of the scene is still there, get what I mean? Just wanted to know that, bye!
Well ignoring the fact that D&D seem to be going out of their way to ignore iconic lines, there’s the mere fact that this line is iconic for a reason.
In the book scene, Jon’s relationship with Janos Slynt is quite different. It’s worth noting Janos isn’t a coward like his show counterpart. He’s a self-important asshole and a moral coward, but he certainly not meek and doesn’t hide. Once getting to the Wall he allies with Hewett and Thorne and is one of the main individuals arguing for Jon to be arrested (which happens). During the ongoing battle at the wall, Thorne and Slynt force Jon to “treat” with Mance, but really kill him, hoping Jon will die in the process.
Yet Jon…works with him as best he can. Once he becomes LC, Jon knows he needs to break up Janos and Alliser, so he orders Slynt to Greyguard. He does this first in private, it should be noted, and Slynt refuses. The next day, Jon orders Slynt to Greyguard again, and he defies him a second time, this time in public. Jon does mental calculations and decides that imprisoning him would only make more issues, so he needs to execute him. He orders Slynt to be hanged.
The reason “Edd, fetch me a block” is iconic is not that we are really chuffed to see Dolorous Edd fetch a block. It’s that as Slynt is being dragged of to get hanged, Jon goes “stop, this is wrong.” We think he’s calling it off. Then he says the line, subverting our expectations, and making it truly a surprise. It also happens to be evocative of his Stark upbringing, which is significant:
“The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man’s life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.”
What’s more is that because of Slynt’s continual antagonism towards Jon, where he does everything to get Jon killed, it is kind of like a fist-pumping moment in the book when Jon executes him (or as fist-pumping as any murder can be). There is a feeling that “he had it coming,” and there’s very little sympathy any of us have for Janos by that point.
Yet in the show…Sam makes fun of him the episode previous for being scared shitless and hiding with Gilly. And Janos just sits there looking embarrassed. It’s true that Janos asks for mercy at the very end in the books too, but the context leading up to it is just so different. To me, the show’s depiction of the scene almost made Jon seem cruel. The same plot point happened, but the characterizations and tone were just so warped that it didn’t feel right. It was uncomfortable to watch.
There’s also the whole “kill the boy, let the man be born” mantra that Book!Jon had in his head at this point. I feel like we needed that conversation prior to this scene; it’s so crucial to Jon’s development and approach to command.
Also, btw, what other adaption has excluded iconic lines? It’d be like instead of Snape saying “always,” he’d say “on all occasions.” It really feels intentional at this point. And that such an iconic line was given to Olly, D&D’s horrible invention? It’s a slap in the face.
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I've read your opinion on the matter of how she could be forced to marry Tyrion. But, Sansa's in full despair and I'd think a Stark would be willing to be a martyr rather than bed any Lannister. Why do you think Sansa just didn't say no?
When the moonstones hung from Sansa’s ears and about her neck, the queen nodded. “Yes. The gods have been kind to you, Sansa. You are a lovely girl. It seems almost obscene to squander such sweet innocence on that gargoyle.”“What gargoyle?” Sansa did not understand. Did she mean Willas? How could she know? No one knew, but her and Margaery and the Queen of Thorns… oh, and Dontos, but he didn’t count.Cersei Lannister ignored the question. “The cloak,” she commanded, and the women brought it out: a long cloak of white velvet heavy with pearls. A fierce direwolf was embroidered upon it in silver thread. Sansa looked at it with sudden dread. “Your father’s colors,” said Cersei, as they fastened it about her neck with a slender silver chain.A maiden’s cloak. Sansa’s hand went to her throat. She would have torn the thing away if she had dared.“You’re prettier with your mouth closed, Sansa,” Cersei told her. “Come along now, the septon is waiting. And the wedding guests as well.”“No,” Sansa blurted. “No.”“Yes. You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father’s place, since your brother is an attainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion.”My claim, she thought, sickened. Dontos the Fool was not so foolish after all; he had seen the truth of it. Sansa backed away from the queen. “I won’t.” I’m to marry Willas, I’m to be the lady of Highgarden, please…“I understand your reluctance. Cry if you must. In your place, I would likely rip my hair out. He’s a loathsome little imp, no doubt of it, but marry him you shall.”“You can’t make me.”“Of course we can. You may come along quietly and say your vows as befits a lady, or you may struggle and scream and make a spectacle for the stableboys to titter over, but you will end up wedded and bedded all the same.” The queen opened the door. Ser Meryn Trant and Ser Osmund Kettleblack were waiting without, in the white scale armor of the Kingsguard. “Escort Lady Sansa to the sept,” she told them. “Carry her if you must, but try not to tear the gown, it was very costly.”Sansa tried to run, but Cersei’s handmaid caught her before she’d gone a yard. Ser Meryn Trant gave her a look that made her cringe, but Kettleblack touched her almost gently and said, “Do as you’re told, sweetling, it won’t be so bad. Wolves are supposed to be brave, aren’t they?”Brave. Sansa took a deep breath. I am a Stark, yes, I can be brave. They were all looking at her, the way they had looked at her that day in the yard when Ser Boros Blount had torn her clothes off. It had been the Imp who saved her from a beating that day, the same man who was waiting for her now. He is not so bad as the rest of them, she told herself. “I’ll go.”[…]Joffrey himself was waiting for her on the steps of the castle sept. The king was resplendent in crimson and gold, his crown on his head. “I’m your father today,” he announced.“You’re not,” she flared. “You’ll never be.”His face darkened. “I am. I’m your father, and I can marry you to whoever I like. To anyone. You’ll marry the pig boy if I say so, and bed down with him in the sty.” His green eyes glittered with amusement. “Or maybe I should give you to Ilyn Payne, would you like him better?”Her heart lurched. “Please, Your Grace,” she begged. “If you ever loved me even a little bit, don’t make me marry your—”
Sansa did say no. It didn’t make a difference.
I know she said no. I was rather asking whether you had an opinion on why you think she didn't kill herself or let herself be killed? She just needed a pep talk and breather...I never understood why she never romanticized the story of Ashara jumping out a balcony. Also, not sure why I got a condescending response. I would have quoted your previous statements and I was rather vague with my question because I'm new to tumblr and thought I had some kind of character limit. Either way, if you hate me forever or not, I still enjoy your take on all things ASOIAF.
What do you think of the High Sparrow/ Howland Reed theory? I couldn't find it in your tags.
It’s so fantastically stupid on so many levels that I can hardly imagine anyone could have thought of it, let alone that anyone believes in it.
(Amusingly, you sent me this ask about five minutes before I criticized the theory in my tags, but otherwise you won’t find it in my blog, nor in that of asongoftheories — we have an (unstated) policy against theories that are total shit.)
But point by point:
The High Sparrow was a traveling septon of the Faith. Howland Reed worships the Old Gods.
The High Sparrow built up a following over years as a fervent man of the Faith who preached that the gods would bring justice but the only wait to do so was for people to take action in their name. Howland Reed worships the Old Gods.
The High Sparrow is an older man who truly believes in everything he does and says. Howland Reed was younger than Ned Stark (mid 30s) and worships the Old Gods.
The High Sparrow was a commoner; Howland Reed is highborn, and worships the Old Gods.
The High Sparrow is a misogynist, a torturer, a fervent believer to the point of taking violent action against anything that contradicts what his holy book tells him. If you believe this is the same man as Howland Reed — who learned from the Green Men of the Isle of Gods, who was kind and gentle and all the other things we know of him from Meera’s tale of the Knight of the Laughing Tree, who saved Ned Stark’s life, who sent his children through unknown dangers to guide and help his friend’s son — if you think they are the same man, you are repulsive and I do not want to know you.
(And looking at the theory on reddit, I see it’s by the same person who once actively theorized that Humphrey and Malora Hightower had disguised themselves as Haldon Halfmaester and Septa Lemore. And that they say straight up it’s crackpot and full of holes. Oh lol oh my god lololololol. Oh reddit. Oh this fucking fandom, my god.)
what kinda new ways zealot would use a weirwood staff? LOL. i would bet it's hokum but, to assume, people can't hid their identity by joining the other group missed Jon's arc in aSoS.
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Arya - to share lemoncakes with Sansa...commence with the crying.
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While I understand Daenerys’s decision to exile Jorah, does anyone else feel like her character’s arch might be taking a turn for the worse? It’s pretty interesting because originally Daenerys was this kind, sweet young woman. She was confident and…
While I agree that it’s a bit early to suspect she might be going mad at this point and based on that decision, I don’t agree at all that there is nothing to support this theory.
Barristan tells her about the “taint of madness” of the Targaryen dynasty and she herself suspects she may have it:
“You have brought freedom as well,” Missandei pointed out.
“Freedom to starve?” asked Dany sharply. “Freedom to die? Am I a dragon, or a harpy?” Am I mad? Do I have the taint?
This is were the assumptions come from. That she’s a woman has nothing to do with it.
Her freeing the slaves is definitely not why people are assuming she could go mad - even though that may have been a little short-sighted, it was the right thing to do and not being aware of all the consequences is definitely excusable in this situation.
"Meting out some eye for an eye justice" comes a little closer: crucifying 163 people who may have even been against the decision of putting up the dead children along her way is a terrible decision not only because you shouldn’t crucify people, but also because she is trying to govern this city, which she will not be able to do when she turns them against her with massacres like that. There is a huge difference in quality between hacking off someones fingers and brutally executing 163 people. As to the Karstark beheading, it was necessary because Robb had to show the Lannisters that he did not condone Karstark’s actions, so they would not kill his family, it was not an act of vengeance.
But the crucifictions are not the only bad thing Dany has done, e.g. she lets children be tortured and makes their father watch:
“We have no captives but this wineseller?”
“None, this one grieves to confess. We beg your pardon.”
Mercy, thought Dany. They will have the dragon’s mercy. “Skahaz, I have changed my mind. Question the man sharply.”
“I could. Or I could question the daughters sharply whilst the father looks on. That will wring some names from him.”
“Do as you think best, but bring me names.”
Her fury was a fire in her belly.
Also she sees and talks to Quaithe, which other people can’t see or hear, which could be interpreted as a sign of madness:
"Your Grace?" Missandei stood in the door of the queen’s bedchamber, a lantern in her hand. "Who are you talking to?"
Dany glanced back toward the persimmon tree. There was no woman there. No hooded robe, no lacquer mask, no Quaithe.
A shadow. A Memory. No one.
And again at the end of ADWD she sees Quaithe’s face in the stars and talks to it and then later she hears the grass talking and Jorah’s voice and has a conversation with grass.
I’m not saying she is definitely going mad - in general, I’m always very sceptical when people think they’ve figured it all out or are really sure about some interpretation - but the theory is not entirely baseless.
And is it true baseless to suggest that madness runs in the family?
So, to recap: a middle-aged man has inappropriate feelings for an underage girl. He puts her life in danger. He sabotages her plans. But we should pity him because she didn’t let him fuck her?
Everyone’s Feeling Really Sad for Poor Old Friendzone Jorah, Guys
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See, this is exactly why the show’s lack of individual perspective creates problems sometimes.
This scene happens from Dany’s perspective in the books, and her tortured thoughts remind us that the person we’re supposed to pity in this scene is Dany. Dany who is losing her closest friend, Dany who already struggles with trust issues and a constant fear that people are trying to murder her (because they are) and has now found out that her most trusted advisor and protector has not only been lying to her for years but was actively working for her enemy when they met. He’s the only person still around (at least in the show) who was with her when her husband and child died, and it’s his fault her child’s life was threatened in Vaes Dothrak.
It’s Dany we should be feeling sad for…and Jorah a little too, yes, because he is at this point genuinely sorry about the things he did and actually cares for Dany whether she lets him fuck her or not. But we don’t get to hear her think about how she has no one left to trust or keep her safe, so we don’t realize how alone and vulernable this scene makes this underage girl feel.
Would it have helped to add a scene of Dany looking sad on her balcony in addition to Jorah riding away from the city? Maybe. Making the scene closer to the length it was in the books might have helped, too. But mostly it’s a simple format issue, or a typical POV problem, or any one of the basic issues that tend to happen with this book-to-show adaptation.
This isn’t the recap, though. The recap is that Dany lost her best friend, and now she doesn’t know if she can trust anyone again. That’s the emotional core of the scene.
10 second scene of Emilia looking forlorn after makes sense, but nope we get Jorah. Adding no emotion just more CGI costs.
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Actually I meant she thought Cersei didn’t love Joffrey. Which is just as bad if not worse. The show botched both relationships to be honest.
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Other than kill ALL THE BABIES?
Yes it is my dear anons.The scene from the book is played almost verbatim in the show but when I was reading that scene I didn’t have the feeling of them being friends, that everything was ok. There was no “but you are my friend”. There was no “Aye I am your...
show!Shae was devoted and the betrayal looks like a scorned lover, not as an opportunist like book!Shae.
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Actually I meant she thought Cersei didn’t love Joffrey. Which is just as bad if not worse. The show botched both relationships to be honest.
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I think Cersei receives more hate because we actually see her twisted internal dialogue. Tywin and LF have no POV chapters.
R.I.P. Jaime Lannister
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Watch the season two commentary about why Jaime kills his cousin. D&D both say Jaime is an evil person. Same reasons why they write Stannis so poorly. They lack reading comprehension skills.
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