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being a kid and hearing adults say stuff like "woah 2011 was 4 years ago haha" didn't really convey the fucking horror of a youtube video crossing my recommended labelled "9 years ago" and it's from 2017. that's not true. 9 years ago is 2010 or something. don't lie.
"it's just stress" oh thank god, it's just the silent killer that slowly kills you, perfectly harmless, no need to worry
At a time where jewish groups are being banned from pride events, you do not get to use Anne Franke, a dead jew murdered for being jewish before she could ever come out, as a puppet for whatever queer rights message you want to share.
You do not get to profit, financially or attention wise or another way, off of a *potentially* queer jew whilst we are banned from pride events.
We do not know if she was questioning her sexuality but ultimately straight or if she was actually queer because she was killed for the crime of existing as a jew before she could come out. Queer rights obviously matter. Anne Franke is not the person you should be using.
You need to protect alive queer jews. You need to love all jews, not just the dead ones.
I've had to delete multiple comments missing the point of the post
"But they banned zionists not jews", they banned jewish organizations, who refused to say they disavowed israel. That's like asking a local Chinese diaspora group to disavow the CCP or they can't be at pride.
The reason why its antisemitic is because its treating jewish organizations as guilty until proven innocent. Its treating jewish organizations as somehow being responsible for a foreign government's actions. Jewish organizations have to say again and again that they do not support the Israeli government to be allowed to exist in public. Its an extra step that non jewish organizations do not face. That's the antisemitism of it all. No other group was forced to disavow israel to attend pride.
cats will be like please i need you to watch me wiggle around on this carpet please hey look look please look at me i’m wiggling
it’s really fucking weird being part of a minority group that’s mostly just seen as a political talking point because all your friends are SOOO loud abt it online…
then you casually bring up a regular ass part of your identity or culture in conversation and all of the sudden everyone gets real quiet
"Criticizing Israel is not antisemitic"
That's funny, I don't see you criticizing Russia the same way. I don't see you criticizing China the same way. Afghanistan. Syria. Yemen. Iraq. Iran. Turkmenistan. North Korea. The list goes on
Wonder why that is. Could it be... antisemitism?
Did you miss when Russian immigrants were being harassed? Have you not seen all the racism against the Chinese online? Do you not remember how Islamophobic people were during the Afghan war?
Shut the fuck up and stop committing genocide.
"Have you missed russian immigrants being harassed?"
That's interesting as I'm russian myself, dumbass, tell me more about how we, russians, are firebombed at protests, blocked from student campuses, called baby killers, vermin, how russian neighborhoods are filled with people screaming for our blood, how random russians are blocked from cafes and stopped in the streets and harassed over Putin's war simply because they're russian.
Ну давай. Расскажи мне, русскому человеку, о притеснениях русских иммигрантов. Может ещё заведешь мне путинскую шарманку, про то, как русскоязычных везде притесняют и обижают, а? Ну так, если совсем мозгов нет. А судя по тебе мозгов реально нет и вряд ли когда-то были
Пиздуй в свою Пластелину и освобождай от выдуманного геноцида, а не сиди в тумбе и рассказывай русским, как их везде якобы ненавидят. Борец за свободу хренов
Indeed. Where are all the articles about the Russian Tearoom getting its windows smashed and patrons called genocidal pedophiles?
Where are all the articles about Orthodox Churches in financial crisis because they can't afford the security measures they need to not get killed for congregating?
Where are the stories about people being beaten in the streets for the crime of speaking Russian in public places?
How many Russian restaurants have had to close in the past three years due to constant harassment, vandalism, and threats? Because I can think of five kosher restaurants that closed off the top of my head, and if I did some research I bet I'd find way more. How many times has someone tried to blow up a Russian daycare? Has anyone ever shot up a Russian holiday party? Raped a teenage girl for being Russian? Tried to poison their employer's family for being Russian? Been caught on tape saying they'd let their Russian patients die? I could go on and on and on but I know the answer.
And here's the thing: when Russians or Chinese people, or Arabs do face racist bullshit because of their governments? Progressives almost universally condemn that shit. No one on the left is out here saying that beating up random Asians is a justified response to the bullshit (up to and including actual genocide) being pulled by the CCP.
i get why people don't believe in marriage as a social construct but legally it is the best and easiest way to say "this is who i trust to take care of me when i can't take care of myself" and i'm so glad gay people fought for that right bc when shit gets scary at least i know im in good hands
No one is forcing you to stay home on Saturdays. You choose to live like that. And that completely fine; you are well within your rights to be as observant as you want. It’s just not anyone else’s responsibility to accommodate your schedule, which again is something of your own choosing. Your religion prevents you from doing things on Saturday it doesn’t prevent me or any other non Jew from doing things on Saturday.
Do you actually believe that putting a blanket ban over scheduling events on Saturday is a reasonable request? Because that would mean non Jews would have to follow a religious law or a religion they don’t belong to!!
The doesn’t revolve around you!!!
Me: Hey you know scheduling things on Saturday is inconvenient for Jews and anyone who works on Saturday
You: SO YOU WANT TO BAN EVENTS ON SATURDAY??? YOU MONSTER!!!!
And.... things being closed on Sundays because of Christianity doesn't mean everyone else has to follow a religious law of a religion they don't follow? Like do you hear yourself, anon?
There are plenty of laws that are based in Christianity, which are unfair to non-Christians and force them to follow a religion that isn't theirs. Do you get as upset about those? No? Huh.
Hey, anon, it's really fucking inconvenient that I can't go to a bank or get my mail on a Sunday! It's really, really annoying. Why aren't you mad about Christians refusing to provide basic services on their Sabbath?
I wish all the “religion is inherently bad” people who go on to describe issues exclusive to Christianity would understand that their idea of Christianity being analogous to all religion is a very glaring sign that they are still steeped in the Christian hegemony they seem to reject so vehemently
if you think that the bund advocated for assimilation you have reached molly crabapple levels of bund-induced delusion
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I think the reason for this is that people still see the bund as the opposite of zionism but don’t know anything about how the bund actually operated.
A lot of it is a reaction to Neo-Bundists that takes their revisionist lens at face value, some of it is the bund’s clashes with religious Jews, but I think the main confusion is that they did eventually align and merge into the Yevsektsiya, which undeniably facilitated assimilation before it was also dissolved.
One could argue this wasn’t “the Bund”, it was the Yevsektsiya, and that’s true, but in some cases they were the exact same people.
SO!
(not a bundist and tagging @penrosesun, an actual bundist, for this reason)
As I understand it, the Bund's central ideological argument related to Zionism was that it didn't make sense to fuck over the safety of a vast majority of Jews (as they believed Zionism did; at the very least, they thought it wasn't the best approach) for a small minority.
For instance, here:
To be clear, I think this is wrong. Israel provides an assurance of safety. You don't want to use the fire extinguisher often, but it's important to have when you need it.
But more importantly for this, that's not true anymore. almost half of all jews live in Medinat Yisrael. Any position on the wellbeing of overall world Jewry must take into account the wellbeing of Jews in Medinat Yisrael as a somewhat primary factor.
indeed, in 1958, the bund said this (#3 was essentially a call for peace and resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict)
Indeed, as David S Slucki writes in The International Jewish Labor Bund After 1945: Toward a Global History,
and in fact that
This did not, of course, mean that it was Zionist per se, however it does indicate a lessening antipathy towards Israel.
And there are fascinating questions to be asked, about how Bundism, with its concern for global Jewish well being, should operate today, given that almost half of Jews live in Israel, and how that should function. About the role of labor organizing, another key tenet of the Bund, now that many Jews are no longer working-class, and how that reflects things.
In fact, the Melbourne Bund -- the only uninterrupted Bundist organization in the world -- is much more nuanced than Crabapple et al would have you believe.
A minor note in that the first statement is more ambiguous about Israel's right to defend itself. It's certainly the most likely reading of a statement like "We call on Israel to make maximal efforts to avoid civilian casualties whilst acknowledging the absolute imperative of freeing the captives and defending from acts of terror." (emphasis mine), but "affirmed Israel's right to defend itself" is a lot stronger terms than the Bund used.
Again, this is going based off of documents. I'm not Bundist. I think it makes interesting and very valid points and raises fascinating challenges to mainstream Zionist positions, but, at the end of the day, I'm Zionist or territorialist ("if you're given a choice between a stable state in Tasmania and the present situation, I'm sorry, but go to Tasmania, the Kotel is not worth Jewish lives"; the distinction is much more theoretical today, of course).
This is a good summation, and I especially appreciate bringing up the Melbourne Bund – in my opinion, no conversation about either Bundism or so-called neo-Bundism is complete without an acknowledgment of what extant Bundist communities with actual continuity are actually saying about their views and positions.
The only thing I want to add is a bit of additional nuance to the concept that historical Zionism was “fucking over the safety of a vast majority of Jews for a small minority”, and that’s that this is a little bit conflating two distinct concerns, and coming out with a third concern, which was certainly present, but not at all the focus:
Concern #1 is that Israel could not be the ultimate solution to the problem of eg. Polish pogroms. This is entirely true and born out by history. People tend to point to Israel’s role in accepting refugees as evidence that Israel is a solution to global antisemitism, and indeed, specific incidents such as Operation Moses make a compelling case… But note that not everyone made it out of Ethiopia… or Yemen, or Egypt, or the USSR, for that matter… and it’s rank historical revisionism to claim that if Israel had existed before the Holocaust, everyone would have made it out of Germany or Poland or Lithuania. Even if Israel has a guaranteed open door for Jewish refugees, Jewish safety will always be to some degree reliant on the counties where Jews actually live, because in order to even be able to leave, you need either some rights (such as freedom of movement), or enough resources to get out anyway. A maximalist policeman-of-the-world Israel that was willing to militarily occupy any country that made noises towards disenfranchisement until every last Jew had been safely evacuated could maybe guarantee Jewish safety – but if, chas v’shalom, the United States were to turn aggressively fascist and start revoking Jewish passports and sending Jews to camps, would Israel really be able to hold off the US armed forces for long enough to Operation Moses the entire Jewish population of New York? Let’s imagine the most militarily mighty Israel possible – the Israel of the wet dreams of the hawkiest of hawks – is even that Israel really a solution to global antisemitism, or is it merely one of many harm reduction strategies? And for Zionists gearing up to say “well no one is saying that Israel can save everyone”, 1) many Zionists are, and 2) you’re moving the goalposts; if “Bundism can’t save us all” is a coherent argument against Bundism, then “Zionism can’t save us all” is an equally coherent argument against Zionism.
Concern #2 is that, setting physical safety aside for a moment, Zionism was (and I’d argue, still is) fucking over the cultural preservation of the vast majority of Jews for a minority. Ironically, this is specifically an anti-assimilationist point: the Ben-Yehuda vision of a modern Hebrew revival is a powerful one, and its success is a triumph of cultural preservation and restoration… and at the same time, it’s a vision that has no room at all for Sholem Aleichem and I. L. Peretz, and that’s a problem. The Ethiopian kahen line is being forcibly broken by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel as we speak – while it’s true that Israel has preserved Beta Israel lives, that culture will be just as lost in a generation as it would have been had Israel not existed to “save” it. You can’t make a Jewish unity omelet without breaking a few galut community eggs… but who gets to decide what that final omelet looks like? And which eggs are we comfortable breaking to make it happen? Should we really be trying to unify such diverse Jewish communities at all? Why not instead form a common front on political lines, and accept that the continued existence of individual Jewish communities with their own distinct cultural features is a good thing? Maybe self-determination means not just self-determination for “Jews”, but also self determination for Litvaks, and for Galitzianers, and for Italkim, and Gruzim, and Parsim, and Temanim.
These two concerns are often synthesized into the quite distinct Concern #3 which is “Zionist agitation is making things more politically dangerous for those of us with no desire to pick up our entire lives and make aliyah, stop rocking the boat.” And… I mean, to be clear, that’s also a thread of concern, and some Bundists raised it pre-WWII, and some are raising it now. But overall, this is not the primary thing that Bundists were on about. I think it’s worth remembering that the Bundist position was never “let’s sit on our ass in galut and hope the goyim come to accept us” – the Bundist position was “socialism should be achieved through an Austro-Marxist program of national-cultural autonomism”. The idea that we should work to dismantle the modern nation state completely and instead form nations which were “not in territorial bodies but in simple association of persons” is hardly a “don’t rock the boat” position! Some Bundists were concerned that early Zionists weren’t getting on very well with other groups in the region, sure – but the ultimate hardcore Zionist vision was one in which a modern State of Israel was Germany’s equal, and the ultimate hardcore Bundist vision was one in which Germany did not meaningfully exist.
Tl;dr: Handwringing about how Zionism has caused or exacerbated antisemitism is silly and disingenuous – antisemitism is caused by antisemites, full stop. And while I certainly can’t claim that Bundists have never partaken in that sort of vacuous argument, that was clearly never the main thrust of their criticism, either historically or now.
Kaifeng Jews in China were, for many years, cut off from other Jews AMD thought they were the only Jews left. Imagine their surprise when European Jews, fleeing the Holocaust, arrived in their town, speaking a language they already knew: Hebrew.
Similar things happened in Uganda and Ethiopia.
Even when Jews are removed from each other, we maintain our identities. We recognize Jews from other countries and we will share a history, language, songs, and culture.
“We left rhetoric about Jews poisoning wells in the Middle Ages!”
Modern rhetoric:
Love it when people tell me "AI-slop" isn't an antisemitic term because slop had meaning before 'goyslop'" when goyslop is becoming a normalised belief alongside the use of the term AI-slop.
I watched the video because I was bored and wow, that was fucking dumb.
Talking about Strauss and Tnuva's monopoly like it's a trick by the joos to poison America and not, like, a major issue in Israel that Israeli farmers are constantly fighting against?
Treating the fact the "remilk" products are labelled in Israel as lab made but not in America as if that's an Israeli plot to poison them? And not the fault of the American government, FDA and the billionaires who run the food companies?
She literally used the word goyslop at the beginning. If anything American products are what's poisoning the rest of the world.
People literally commanding about the "well poisioners" being "at it again".
What the fuck is wrong with people
How did a radical leftist and unapologetic fascist get over their differences and become friends? The story of their shared antisemitism will warm your heart…
What’s even funnier is that a search of the word israel on op’s profile brings up…
That they call all israelis colonizers.
I don’t fucking trust yall
the irony is palpable.
i know most leftists agree that everybody should have a right to food, water, shelter, and healthcare but i think a vitally important fifth pillar is privacy. people should not be compelled to be tracked, monitored, or to share personal space with others to access their other essential rights
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is and always has been fascist rhetoric everyone.