#- dreambee

[antiendovents]

sorry about the slightly aggressive posts lately.. we had an anger holder fronting.. due to an incident earlier today they're angrier than normal..

[system-hottakes]

its not " anti-recovery " to let fictives ID with source ( to some extent )

like, if a fictive believes that they are their source instead of an introject of it and feel stressed over " doubles ", then they should source separate until they're healthy abt their source.

but alters that just want to use their source name + faceclaim? thats fine!! do whatever the hell you want.

we were in a " pro recovery " syscord that harassed any fictive ( specifically with a problematic source ) that wasnt completely source separated and it damaged us a lot.

nod... Even if they have an unhealthy attachment to source you should never force source separation as it can cause more harm... (it really depends on the system / alter though of course.. but as a general thing don't force anything on anyone, especially not recovery!)

And yeah.... Introjects just identifying as their source isn't anti recovery... it's literally just them being them.

[antimisinfo]

Ive seen people say they are neurogenic(or smth like that, but they formed trauma due to a illness). Any opinions/ misinfo? (we dont know much abt it, maybe you can research it, cuz its confusing us /nm /nf) Also, we love your blog, mind if we link the endo blog to our dni list(so, on dc [text](link) and link will be the blog, text will be endos)

right, neurogenic. i have seen many different definitions of "neurogenic". one being trauma caused by neurodiversity, the other being a system caused by a disorder other than DID/OSDD.

one of those is valid, the other is not.

having trauma from being neurodivergent (or due to other things related to it, like being undiagnosed, being bullied, ect) is completely valid and though i find using the term suspicious that doesn't mean they're faking.

but thinking you're a system because you're autistic or because you have any disorder that isn't DID or OSDD isn't valid.

system is an alternate term for someone with DID/OSDD. it does not refer to anything other than "a personality system of dissociative identities" (referring to alters).

you cannot have alters if you don't have DID/OSDD as alters have literally only been recorded as a symptom of DID/OSDD, no other known disorder causes alters.

not even maladaptive daydreaming disorder can cause alters, before anyone tries to claim that could be a valid thing :

" in DID/OSDD, people have multiple dissociative parts to their personality, which may feel either like different sides or aspects of them (e.g., "me but a different me") or may feel totally different to them (e.g., "not me", like having "multiple personalities" that physically take control of their body), [21] but in maladaptive daydreaming the inner characters and their interactions are purely fantasy, e.g., intricate plots with characters who act out ongoing themes or stories, often with an idealized version of the self or feeling like the narrator "

" The information here on types of alters is relevant only to alters; the differences between the inner characters found in maladaptive daydreaming and alters found in DID/OSDD1 can be found on the Maladaptive Daydreaming Scale page. Inner characters in MD do not follow the same subjective logic or creation/fusion rules as alters caused by DID "

theres not much else i have to say other than i don't like the term. as even with the valid definition you could literally just say you're traumagenic or if you don't like that term just say you're a system, as systems only form from trauma.

though if you do not have DID/OSDD or you claim to have it without trauma then stay out of our communities and stop using our terms. you are not a system.

but we're glad you like our blog, sorry we took so long to respond, yes you may link our posts / blog on your DNI if you'd like to ((assuming you meant our post on why endos aren't valid but idk))

[antiendovents]

i am having a hard time properly articulating this so apologies if this makes no goddamn sense but

what pisses me off about endos, specifically those that claim to be plural because of some sort of spiritual belief/practice, is that one of the diagnostic criteria for did (and osdd 1-b (i think)) is that the symptoms aren’t caused by another mental disorder, drug use, or spiritual practice. like. if you genuinely think that you have other consciousnesses that you share a body with due to a spiritual belief then like. you do you or whatever. but you aren’t a system. and it would literally be fine if they just used different terms instead of trying to delegitimize a real mental disorder.

nod, nod... Yeah,, the literal criteria says it must not be caused by an accepted cultural or spiritual practice... Or something along those lines.. really it sucks.. I wish they'd at least get their own terms instead of using medical terms..

[system-hottakes]

this is our first submission on here so hello!!

Boiling hot take (that really shouldn’t be a hot take at all): Don’t sexualize/fetishize fictives. Do not. It’s not quirky. It’s not cute. They are not your senpais or waifus or whatever the term is. They are real people with real feelings and personalities. Don’t reduce them to their canon, please and thank you.

yeah,, its just creepy when people do that. they aren't their source, they're real people.

[antimisinfo]

One thing people don't talk much about with DID is that the reason that trauma is not part of the diagnosis is because amnesia is literally one of the primary criteria. Requiring you to remember trauma for the "repressing and forgetting trauma" disorder is extremely contradictory. (This is why people should also stop pressuring people to admit they have trauma also. This is not a pro-endo statement, this is just saying that some systems are not ready, or not in a place where it's safe, to process their trauma. Don't fakeclaim if someone says they don't have trauma, be patient and offer resources for whenever they're ready.) Anyways! Super glad to see a blog with sense and resources. Thanks for being around :)

yeah,, i can understand what you mean. not remembering trauma is a big part of DID/OSDD and so is being in denial. though i've always said that denial / not remembering is not an excuse to spread misinformation by using the endogenic label. though no system should be forced to remember or explain their trauma, they should not be given the pass to spreading misinfo either.

and i'm glad you like our blog :) !!

[antiendovents]

(venting) i hate hate HATE the term traumagenic, and it sucks it gets uaed EVERYWHERE! we arent ANYTHING genic! we are just a system, an ACTUAL system and not one of those fucking roleplaying asshats! but i know calling ourself an actual system comes off as fakeclaimy to other actual systems! and saying disordered or CDD or OSDDID or whatever will make those roleplaying dumbasses think we are admitting defeat and just seperating ourselves from the ~nondisordered~ assholes! so idk what to fucking call ourself without letting those fuckasses win! and it fucking sucks! (end of vent) anyway, how are you?

nod, I kind of get what you mean. Personally I'm not a big fan of the term,, but I understand why people use it. Though I really wish we could just say we're a system and have it be assumed we're 'traumagenic' / have DID or OSDD instead of having to clarify we're not an ableist role player. And I get what you mean, I don't think it's admitting defeat as much as it's just trying to distinguish ourselves from them and push them away?? I guess? I don't know. It's just a way to make people know you're not an endo basically. If you don't like it, that's fine, if you like it or use it, that's also fine :3

Also we're fine, a little tired! Thank you for asking

[antiendovents]

Just found out about Alter Packs on Tumblr. I wasn't doomscrolling the tag! I'm so fucking pissed!! I try to stay neutral but good fucking lord!!!!!

yeah... i saw one of those before.... they're disgusting.