#avx

[nico-di-angelol]

sorry i have not been able to stop thinking abt this

[wordishismart9]

Real

[flamesoffear]

AvX costumes are still unmatched to this day

[watkinschow]

Rachel Summers messages her father telepathically; sketch card for Upper Deck's Allegiance: Avengers vs X-Men set. From issue #3 of AvX

[dailydamnation]

Time Is a Flat Stepping Disc Part 343 The Illyana Rasputin timeline issue by issue

Avengers Vs. X-Men #5 The X-Men and Avengers clash on the moon, Illyana having a Russian fface-off with the Black Widow. Then, rather than let a host who was prepared for it take the Phoenix Force into her body, the Avengers try to destroy a universal cosmic force. Shockingly, that goes poorly, and it only manages to split the Phoenix into pieces and cause it to seek out other mutant hosts, no matter if they are less capable of holding it safely. Good job, Avengers. Thus, Illyana becomes part of the Phoenix Five, imbued with the power of life and change--diametrically opposed to the power of Limbo, where there is no linear time to allow for natural change.

[jewishcissiekj]

KILL YOUR FATHER.

X-Men #207 | Avengers Vs. X-Men #11

[rei-ismyname]

What would Cyclops do?

I wonder if Marvel will ever live down teasing some mysterious unforgivable atrocity done by Cyclops for a year only to reveal it was... altering a Terrigen Cloud, and it wasn't even him. Ironically, he almost certainly would do it; it's just not that big a deal at all. I was pretty excited before the reveal, like shit yeah they actually pulled the trigger. I should have known, because they'd been trying for years.

Don't get me wrong, I love seeing this angsty white boy suffer, but what an anticlimax. It's really funny to me that Marvel spent about a decade trying to villainise the dude and failed pretty miserably. Young Scott's misery worked at first for shocking acts like killing Xavier, less so by the time of Death of X. Indeed, it was an important plot point that Hank and Logan were incredibly biased if not straight up lying. The teen O5 bailed for a reason.

Amadeus Cho referring to him as 'young Hitler' was not just a miss but flat out ridiculous. Impossible to take seriously. Specifically arguing over 'evil' in warped hypothetical moral relativism. Nobody here blinks at that analogy either; highly educated and experienced supers just acting like idiots. The moral judgement stands, accepted by Scott himself, with the decision being whether they should condemn the teen based on his future self's actions. Maybe that's part of it. Scott Summers takes criticism quite seriously and generally listens to his friends. His guilt over killing Xavier especially meant he never really advocated for himself.

Obviously there's some subjectivity in play with that but I feel like the dude was vindicated for the shit people were actually mad about. Hope/Phoenix, the Terrigen Cloud, X-Force to a degree, trashing The Avengers, uh, rescuing mutants from SHIELD/cops, etc. Even the impetus for Schism - using children in battle - made sense only if you forget what genre it is and ignore the context. It almost feels like everyone else went crazy for a decade or so. Here's Storm on some 'not all mutants' shit, said while cowering in Limbo a few months before going to war with the Inhumans.

Magik - you were there too, lol. You were on team 'fix the Terrigen Cloud.' Dunking on IvX is low-hanging fruit of course but I do wonder what it is that brings Marvel back to this dry well over and over. Even right now there's shades of past pariah Cyclops in how characters react to him. Rogue has chilled out a bit now but the tension is still there. One of many off aspects of Chuck Hunt was Scott Summers generally being less popular than Charles Xavier, which sounds crazy. Honestly, I wish they'd actually make him do something worth complaining about.

[movalise]