The plural community, at its core, has a complete, uneducated, misunderstanding of what an alter is.
They think that the term and concept can be separated from CDDs because they wholeheartedly believe that alter is just "someone else in your head". I don't think I have to explain how that's extremely watered down and ableist.
In refusing to understand how CDDs work, how they form, and how alters come to be in the first place they water down alters to just a "buddy in your head", rather than a severe response to severe trauma.
Their community time and time again, refuses to listen to those with CDDs around them that call them out of their ableist logics and behaviors. They refuse to see how the very core of their beliefs are born from pure ableism. And in doing so, they are a community that isn't safe for any trauma survivors, let alone anyone with a CDD.
It's incredibly disappointing that even when you argue with polite and nice endos and pro endos, who actually listen to what you have to say, they still aren't actually taking in the information you're giving them. They still aren't actually listening to the disordered person telling them how the community they're in is unsafe and ableist, because they see endos as "friendlier". Because they don't see the ableism, because they don't have our fucking disorder.
Most systems who know about r/systemscringe hate the subreddit, no matter what stance on syscourse they have. We also hate it and we wanted to explain why.
Anyone can get posted
While r/systemscringe's first rule says that only fakers are allowed to be posted, their description says that both real systems and fakers are allowed to be posted.
First rule:
1. Must be cringe content: This subreddit is intended for posting cringe related to factitious and exaggerated portrayals of DID/OSDD (including the online roleplaying of "plurality".) Minors under age 15 are not allowed to be posted (see rule 3). Personal write-ins and stories are allowed (flair as textpost). Remember to censor/omit all identifiable information.
Description:
For all the cringe associated with those who claim to be "systems" - faking or not. Remember to read the rules before posting or commenting, long live the cringe!
This contradiction allows people to post real systems while presenting those systems as "fake" (especially when posted without a flair), without facing any consequences from the moderators.
Flairs: They have several flairs, including a "non-faker cringe" flair which makes clear that the system posted isn't faking. Using that flair is admitting that they find real systems "cringe" (ableism). When not using this flair, that doesn't necessarily mean that the system posted is faking, but it could easily be interpreted as such.
Misinformation
r/systemscringe has a misinformation problem, even though they claim to combat misinformation. They have two rules related to this:
6. Do not fakeclaim without a reason and/or evidence: Provide a reason or provide evidence as to why you believe a person is faking a dissociative disorder.
7. Don't spread misinformation about DID/OSDD: This includes, but is not limited to: supporting endogenics, denying the existence of clinical DID and OSDD, and other such misinformation.
Rule 6 is usually followed, but the reasons people give why certain systems are fake almost never include a source. Sometimes their reasons go directly against well known facts about CDDs (or human psychology in general), such as "they are faking because they have an introject of a popular character", "they are faking because their child parts don't act like actual children" or "they are faking because they talk about their symptoms online". This violates rule 7, but that is almost never acknowledged.
What if they're right?
If an actual faker gets posted there, instead of a real system who happens to "look fake", it still won't help anyone.
Someone "exposing" a faker on reddit won't make them stop faking. Alot of people who fake disorders have some serious underlying issues they need to work on. Being "exposed" will usually just convince them they need to fake more or "better", instead of getting the help they need. You can't shame someone into becoming a better person.
If the faker is trolling, that faker will definitely fake more once posted, because that will get them more attention from that subreddit. In that case, r/systemscringe is feeding the trolls.
My takeaway:
r/systemscringe makes fun of both fakers and real systems, present real systems as fake, allows misinformation to be shared, doesn't stop people from faking and feeds the trolls.
They don't care about people with CDDs, they just care about laughing at "cringe".
Saying "people before labels" in reference to "syscourse" is downplaying the harm that (pro) endogenics do by spreading shit tons of misinformation about CDDs and blatant ableism and saneism.
It's gross and clearly just shows that you're not putting people with CDDs before ableists.
That saying is performative as fuck, "plualpunk" my ass
I think endos have a knee-jerk reaction to being called ableist. And I can understand why, it’s difficult to understand how you’re being ableist to people with cdds when you don’t have any idea of what it’s like to live with one.
Ableist behaviors and thought patterns aren’t always obvious, but they’re woven into the endogenic community and you can see it in how they talk about people with cdds
[ screenshot of the post that the link sends you to ]
You cannot genuinely be sending me a post that says anti endos need to stop stealing "your terms" while in the same post they steal the term syspunk which was made by an anti endo. I was there when the term was created, you fuck ass people want to gaslight us into believing that it's your term so badly that youve gaslight the vast majority of your community into genuinely believing it. You are fucking disgusting. I will continue to use the term plural, I will continue to steal your terms because you ableists don't deserve to have them. Sending me a post like this that blatantly disregards the history behind the term syspunk l, a post in which someone who is about anti endos "stealing", is only going to fuel me more. I will continue to take these things from people like you, I could not give less of a shit about you or your community after your community refuses to give up it's blatantly ableist views and beliefs about systems and DID. You can go fuck yourself.
( Important disclaimer; DO NOT GO HARASS THE PERSON IN THE POST. Ableists are never worth our time, they will never change their minds as long as they're in their echo chamber. It is never worth it to argue with anyone like this, never worth precious time and energy you can't get back. Harassing people is never okay, never be that person. )
Being against "forceplural" isn't being anti kink, it's being against ableism, anyone in any kink community thats even slightly educated about CDDs would tell you this too
