#comics debate

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Man it gets to a point.

Art looks gorgeous but genuinely WHAT are we doing with Jet? Don’t even include him at this point if this is the treatment he gets like. Storm is getting way more grace than Jet. FUCKING STORM. 💔

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It looks like Batman and Superman have the same mindsets as their respective fans. Super Sons, Issue 5

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People on Twitter really be complaining about Sonic being an inconsiderate asshole in IDW. What? I thought everyone's problems is that he was too nice and soft? I thought everyone wanted the edge back? Isn't that why everyone preaches about Sonic X characterization? Because he's bit of a prick?

(btw, idw Sonic isn't an inconsistent asshole that doesn't care about people's feelings, but like, I thought people wanted the edge back...?)

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something i notice about rabid idw haters is that they tend to act the same of the faults that they be accusing idw and its writers for like

"ian flynn can't handle any criticism and he constantly badmouths others!" >if you even mildly criticize these haters, they'll get super mad and harass you

"idw put too much focus on mid ass ocs instead of sonic characters! idw made sonic characters as cheerleaders to these mid ocs!" >they'll claim that they write better than idw and 90% of the time, their writing revolves around their own ocs that they gas up as way better than idw characters and have their ocs be super praised/beloved by canon sonic characters

You bring me memories from when I got called an Ian worshipper because I said fanwriters deserve respect… Ah, such funny times…

Luckily it’s only the same, like, 20 people and not all IDW haters are like that. But fuck, if it isn’t a loud ass minority. That’s why I made this whole blog: so people can share their opinions, likes and dislikes at any part of the franchise without getting insulted over it.

If only those IDW rabid haters would realize that being an hypocrite asshole, instead of convincing people to be on their side, will only make everyone think they’re unbearable and hate them. But oh well, it is what it is I guess

Lastly, the “the characters are glorified OCs” is stupid to me because… Every character ever is an OC, dipshit. Sonic himself is an OC too. But people tend to see anything remotely fandom related as worse and that bothers me. Calling characters “OC’s” or “glorified fanfiction” an insult because these people don’t respect the fan creators that keep the fandom alive, and that’s the thing I take the most problem with.

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the latest chapter of sonic blade of courage is proof to me that folks behind sonic spin offs and adaptations do cares more about certain characters than sega does because that chapter have a character be moving that sega will never ever the character do in their official canon comic in idw sonic

I’ll just leave this here without an opinion because I’m yet to read the blade of courage. If anyone has a good way to pirate total legally read it please share

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surge is one of the many characters in idw where the writers do not know what to do with her in how she’s currently stuck in this weird middle ground of not quite a redeemed ally and not quite a full on antagonist, she can’t be full on ally as that means her being yet another buddy that gets along with sonic which goes against her character and she can’t be full on antagonist because that means she’ll get her ass kicked a lot with never allowed to win because the mandate of “good guys always win in the end”

For as weird as a pacing that IDW has, they sure are taking their sweet sweet time to decide about Surge. I’m sure in a better paced comic the issue wouldn’t be as jarring, but if everything goes so fast, and then ONE character arc goes across multiple sagas, then it’ll stick up and, in this case, perhaps not in a particularly good way

Which sucks because I like both Surge and Kit as characters, but they can’t let go off them because of the severe lack of villains they have to work with. Because seriously, they kill off Starline, they kill off Mimic, and everyone else like Enigma and Clutch are too low-danger threats to count (which is not bad to have low tier villains, but if they just get rid of everyone that has enough power to cause conflict… Well. This.)

I think the comics would benefit from having a cast of characters that are at odds with Sonic but not directly villains. Like the Babylon Rogues, except they’re also low-tier danger in anything that’s not a race so I guess they don’t count. But I would kill for Surge and Kit to just go off their own way, combating evil in their OWN way, not antagonizing Sonic directly but also not hiding from attacking him if he gets in the way. Anti heroes or whenever they call it. Or make Surge the anti hero and let Kit go full villain mode

But also the problem is that this isn’t the imposter syndrome saga anymore, so any development on them is currently a sideline for the main plot. And considering that they’re JUST introducing Sage and anything post Frontiers now… Yeah I don’t think we’ll be getting anything definitive about Surge and Kit any time soon

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the one positive thing that i can give for idw is that they have a cast of female characters having major roles and able to talk to each other without relating to a male character

like i’m pretty sure that you can count on one hand in sonic games in female characters talking to each other that don’t revolve around a male character

I always wanted to test the bethdel test on Sonic games but I was always too lazy to do the research. I'll do this out of memory so:

Any old classic game: unqualified since there's no dialogue

Sonic Adventure: Amy and Tikal don't speak to each other in the one cutscene they share

Sonic Adventure 2: Rouge and Amy never speak to each other. Maria is sort of dead the entire time

Sonic Heroes: I'm sure there's some tutorial dialogue of Amy and Cream speaking to each other without it being about Sonic I just can't be bothered to go through all Sonic Heroes dialogue

Sonic advance 2: Amy isn't in the main story and Cream and Vainilla never speak to each other (somehow)

Sonic advance 3: Amy and Cream never speak to each other

Shadow 05: No main character ever speaks to anyone that isn't Shadow himself

Sonic Rush: Yay it passes!

Sonic 06: Amy and Elise's conversation was about Sonic. Rouge never speaks to any other girl character and Blaze straight up is part of Silver's imagination the way she doesn't speak to anyone else

Sonic unleashed: Unqualified, it only has one main named female character present

Sonic Rush adventure: Yay! :D

Sonic colors: Unqualified, all characters are male

Sonic Colors DS: No secundary mission character interacts with each other

Sonic generations: no secundary character ever speaks to anyone other that isn't Sonic

Sonic lost world: Zeena and Amy aren't even in the same planet

Sonic forces: Probably there's something between Rouge and Amy in the stage dialogue but I can't be bothered to find it

Sonic Frontiers: If there's anything between Sage and Amy it's probably in The Final Horizon I don't remember

This isn't a complete investigation at all and I'm missing a TON of games, but the fact that I can only be confident that the rush games pass... Yeah it's looking grim ngl

(Also I know that the bechdel test isn't serious shut uppp)

I'm glad that we have so many new female characters thanks to IDW, all with various personalities and roles as well. And their designs are also always elite. Thank you IDW

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I'm tired of IDW writers excluding Knuckles from stories because "oh hes busy guarding the master emerald, this is good because its an important part of his character"

Like, if that's so important to him, why avoid writing it then?

It's lazy, using the mandate that he can't leave unless it's important to mean "he can't leave" instead of "write an important reason for him to leave" (STC does this a LOT better, with him usually having adventures because they concern his guardian duties.)

Like, I can tell they don't really care about him, but hide it under "oh this is more accurate to his character"

(also especially damning when the games still have him do whatever the fuck whenever, but not in IDW, so now it's also inconsistent)

Funny enough I have the exact opposite opinion. I'm glad Knuckles isn't used THAT much in the IDW comics. I really don't care about the whole "he's guarding the master emerald" bullshit, I just don't think he needs to be in EVERY story (though they do overdo it and underutilize him too much). Actually, I'd say we need more periods of time when characters are just doing their own thing off screen. Maybe Sonic is the exception because, yk main character. But Tails and Amy for example would benefit for some time off comic as well. Because if they're constantly showing off, it feels like they don't go a live outside of what's shown in the comics, unlike Knuckles (even if his "having a life" is just guarding a rock... They DO need to do more interesting stuff with Knuckles, I agree)

Idk how STC manages Knuckles. I haven't gotten around to read that one. Let me know if it's any good, and where to read it!