#core alter

[bagaluten-sys]

Okay, I'm getting a little mad with the posts I'm seeing recently. I am all for "all systems are different" but we can not simply ignore the literal medical evidence and psychology behind CDD-systems.

There is no core. If systems call their Host their core b/c they're comfy with it: go for it, aint my place to judge (/gen). But in DID and OSDD-1 etc there has never been an original part or alter or a core (as its usually defined). It. is. not. possible.

DID/OSDD-1 develops in early childhood due to ongoing severe trauma. It causes dissociation barriers that prevent the childs multiple identity states (that all young kids have) to integrate in the state of life where the personality really forms and the states merge into a single person.

That means (even tho it might feel like it) there has /never/ been an original part where others just spawned too or wharever. They have always been multiple b/c the trauma never made them stand a chance to ever be a single personality. All kids start out with those multiple facets that /usually/ integrate, with DID they just dont, but they have been there the whole time.

Thats what medically happens in DID and OSDD-1 systems. "But wouldnt that make all children have multiple personalitys before the states integrate?" Not really. Young children do start out with many different emotional states, roles and identity fragments, but only the DID etc really makes them be seperate (also later on in life). DID etc disrupts the usual integration process.

I hope I could explain it well, if not: Asks are always open.

(Edit: some people see the part(s) in early childhood before the splitting began as a whole part or core, which I dont want to dismiss, it just really depends on the definition on what people mean with core or original self)

((Also we're currently working on a paper (around ten pages) explaining and exploring Syscourse, we promised it a while ago, but yk, life and stuff, I'm still on it.))

[your-fav-is-plural]

boogiepop and touka miyashita from Boogiepop are a catharigenic diapathic system, boogiepop himself is autogenic while Touka is a core/original

Boogiepop and Touka Miyashita from Boogiepop are a Catharigenic Diapathic System!

A Catharigenic system is one whose origin is caused by the natural/unintentional creation of new members

Diapathic refers to systems which are made up of two headmates

Boogiepop is Autogenic!

Autogenic is a term for an alter or system that created itself. This differs from your typical created system because one alter wasn’t the one to create another (or multiple), the system/alter wrote itself in from not existence- created itself from scratch

Touka Miyashita is a Core and Original!

The Core is a headmate with a direct connection to the body's pre-plural self. Not every system has one, and not every system had a point at which they were not plural

An Original is the headmate that existed before anyone else. They may have split, conjured thoughtforms, accepted walk-ins, or otherwise had their system begin, but no one has existed before them

[multiplicity-positivity]

yo how do I figure out if I was the original guy or not?

hey, we’re not sure what kind of system you are, so we’ll answer this from a perspective of a did system, since we are one.

not every did system benefits from “original” or “core” language, or even figuring out who was the “first” or “main” alter. our system personally is actually harmed by this language, so we don’t have any firsthand experiences to offer you - we’re sorry. but we do have some general advice which might help?

first, it could be useful for you to conduct interviews or just ask around to your other headmates to see if any of them feel like they are the original, and if not, if they know who they original is. many systems find it difficult to share memories between headmates, so it could be that a member of your system knows something about your past that you are not aware of.

next, it might help to spend some time doing a bit of self-reflection and try to think of your earliest memories. if your past recollections go further back than any other member of your system, it could be that you are indeed the original. keep in mind, though, that it’s normal to not have memories from your first couple years of life. even people without dissociative disorders or memory problems may not be able to remember what life was like before they were a toddler.

last, if you feel like the original, and if no other headmates have any objections to this, we don’t see why you can’t or shouldn’t go ahead and call yourself the original if it helps you. it could be that the original is now dormant or has since fused. you may never be able to fully understand with complete certainty who the original was in your system. but if using this language is useful or beneficial for you, we don’t see why you couldn’t go ahead and use it.

throughout this process, therapy could probably help a lot. regular sessions with a qualified professional could help clue y’all in to who you are, who you were in the past, and how best to identify in ways that are helpful and affirming to everyone. so if you’re in therapy with a therapist who you trust, this would be a great question to bring up!

we’re so sorry if this response isn’t very useful or if there’s nothing here that could help you. but we’re wishing you the best of luck with answering this question for yourself in the future :)

[thestarseersystem]

Like. Thinking about an "original" or "core" alter just doesn't work, not because there wasn't a first, or anything, but that we've split off enough that we were all once part of each other and now we're just not. We're kind of just chain-linked but different.

Like. There is no core, many of us would be considered that, if combined. But, since we're not combined, we're not that.