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honestly the apocalypse world plotline was failed when it came to jack bc they canonized so much random shit just for that arc only to never have it matter or be totally acknowledged later. au-Zachariah psychologically torturing jack w illusions of various horrible deaths to make him open a rift and save himself or his loved ones? doesn’t matter past the episode it happens in. the end of s13 and rest of s14 are just jack being vaguely jaded and vaguely despondent and it never goes anywhere. him having survivors guilt after losing so many of the people he claimed responsibility for and vowed to protect only really matters for the dream talk with dean and his cabin fever from not being as strong as he used to be.

and his own vendetta against michael is barely taken seriously by both the writers and the fandom bc there’s never any real room for it bc we HAD to have michael-dean (which was also failed). he tells cas yes, he is actually willing to kill dean if it means preventing another apocalypse world from being created, and the fact that he was tortured by the guy and waged a war against him pretty much singlehandedly should’ve carried more weight than it does. cas frankly should’ve understood it more than he did but instead it’s turned into “nuuuu don’t hurt my husbando •^•” and jack is like. being a disobedient toddler or some shit.

Jack was Thee Resistance Leader in apocalypse world but nobody’s including him on any of the fights or looking to him for any kind of guidance? like yeah, he’s got a lot going on but he very obviously wants to be included and literally thrived in that role and environment. or when michael kidnaps him in the penthouse and has that whole monologue abt jack outgrowing his humanity and loyalty to humans? the fact that jack doesn’t want to admit it could be possible? that barely mattered even after Mary’s death when it should’ve come back tenfold!!!!!!!

#we now return to me going crazy because the writers didn’t do their jobs right #cal.txt #spn #supernatural #spn s13 #spn s14 #dabb era #anti dabb #but only as a writer #Jack is beautiful and can do so many things wrong #jack kline #castiel #tfw2.0 #michael spn #failure after failure after failure after failure it really is

I HATE the fact that there is no in canon reference as to why Castiel gets ambushed by demons in that bar. He had clear vision of a lot of them and didnt see their faces?

Plus, the beat down goes on for a bit. Some things are just not forgivable. This is #2 on my list

#rewatch thoughts #spn rewatch #spn 14x01 #castiel #dabb era #its just bad writing and an inability to care about your characters #i do not like the Gamble era #but she never made mistakes like this

What is your favorite writing decision from Dabb era?

Bringing Mary Winchester back to life

Making Dean a widower who, in his grief, repeats his father's mistakes

Making Dean, Sam and Cas parents and exploring their flaws through that

Making Adam and Michael have deep trusting relationship

Making Sam a leader of the hunters

Allowing Rowena to grow as character as she goes through the loss of her son

Making Dean and Cas go through a divorce after their son's death

Turning the entire Supernatural plot into a meta-narrative

Allowing Dean to be wrong from time to time

Allowing Cas to tell Dean that he loves him

Allowing Mary to habe complicated relationship with her sons

Other

Voting ended onNov 15, 2025

#spn #supernatural #polls #spn polls #dabb era #do you guys know that i love dabb era #i love dabb era very much

Dabb Era writers were the destiel dream team!

Dabb guided PLOT-CENTRAL ROMANTIC STRUCTURE VALIDATED BY EVERY PARALLEL/THEME/CHUCK-AS-CW METANARRATIVE

Berens gave us CANON DESTIEL, FANFIC GAPS, DREAMHUNTER PARALLELS, CELEBRATION OF QUEER JOY/BEING AND DECONSTRUCTION OF HETERONORMATIVITY

Glynn brought MIXXTAPE/HERE'S TO BEING RIGHT COLLABS, DEANCAS DEFYING GOD/EVERY OTHER TIMELINE TO CHOOSE EACH OTHER

Yockey schooled us on CLASSICAL QUEERCODING, RECLAMATION OF MONSTROSITY/OTHERNESS

Perez said DOMESTIEL RIGHTS THEY WATCH OLD MOVIES SAY "I LOVE YOU" AND WATCH EACH OTHER LEAVE IN THE MORNING

BuckLeming-Singer

Jeremy Adams and MegFitz with just a few eps did CANON BI!DEAN and A LOT TO DRAG ME AWAY FROM YOU

#because I need writer love from people with the knowledge depth empathy skills and range to See and if I cannot find it I will create it #(actually BL had 99 problems but not being hellers ain't one. but I'd readily believe the hearsay that ''We Are'' was dabbobo's thesis)#supernatural #spn #spn writers #destiel #spn meta #dabb era #andrew dabb #robert berens #meredith glynn #steve yockey #davy perez #jeremy adams #meghan fitzmartin #dean is bi #spn is queer #mine

Watching brokeback mountain is just like and I recognize this shot from dabb's supernatural and of course that one is classic dabb's supernatural and that whole location pretty sure they used it or a similar copy in.... dabb's supernatural. And wow look at that that was also in dabb's supernatural

#rehks rants #andrew dabb #brokeback mountain #spn #dabb era

When I think about s13-15 I can’t help but feel that Dabb was simply not interested in telling Sam&Dean’s story (anymore) (if he ever was). s12 is a little rocky regarding this too, but it’s still unmistakable that they’re the protagonists, this story is their story. But it’s evident from the start of s13 that he’s not willing to put in that effort anymore.

He introduces Jack and the rest of the season is focused on him, one way or the other. Even the mytharc of the season is about him, from being trapped in the apocalypse world, making a place for himself with the hunters, trying to figure out who he is. And meanwhile the actual protagonists of the show are…..running around chasing leads but actually accomplishing very little. They take turns being sad, make a few speeches but don’t really do anything. They are not the ones who move the story.

He downplays (if not outright erases) all of the older characters’ intelligence to make them fit the story and doesn’t bother with consistent growth/arc for any of them. He beats and forces them to fit the shape he’s cut out for them to portray in his story instead of understanding them: who they were, how they grew and where they are now and logically advancing their story from that point. He makes them regress or progress on a moment’s notice on an episode-to-episode basis and ignores any preceding canonical events when it suits him.

It’s most noticeable with Dean but he also takes away from Sam and Cas’ characters till they’re almost unrecognisable, bearing only the most superficial of similarities with the characters we have grown to love over 10+ seasons. But at the same time he also relies on this very love to keep the viewers watching, since the plot itself is barely held together by retcons or sudden personality changes/loss of logical reasoning in the characters.

There have been discussions on how, as the show goes on the themes (even the genre) change and how vastly different the later seasons are compared to the earlier ones and while that’s true, there is still some coherence to those changes-a graphical line changing direction erratically perhaps, but a line nonetheless-as the story progresses….upto s12. Forward of that Dabb just-tears the graph to pieces and handpicks a few of them to nail to the wall.

He twists the characters, their history, their personalities, the themes and events of the story and it’s very heart to fit the show he wants to make instead of adapting his writing to the show that he’s actually been handed the reins to. And it’s tiring honestly.

I do believe that when a character behaves in a manner you find ooc, it can be interesting to think about why they may act that way instead of immediately blaming the writing, even if the writing may actually be the issue, because I think it can make for a more entertaining narrative sometimes, and because no one always acts true to who they are. It’s the point of being human. But that can only be applied to particular moments and decisions or behaviour concerning a certain element of the story (another character, an event etc). If your audience can barely recognise any of the characters, there’s only the writing to blame.

#whew this got long #also i feel like i used the word ‘character’ way too many times #but anyway #in this house we hate andrew dabb #supernatural #dabb era #s13 #.txt

i need late seasons fic recs

#with a correct take on dean. which excludes most destiel fic even though im not entirely opposed to it #dabb era is just sooo. like s13… mom sam and dad-who-stepped-up cas and shitty stepdad dean and jack :)#like my god. you’d really think How could that ever be boring but sadly the spn writers cannot write and the only thing they cooked up that #i really truly appreciate in late seasons is that fucked up family unit #spn #spn s13 #dabb era #oliver talks

The thing about S14/S15 deancrit is like...

Ok, so as a deangirl I wholeheartedly believe Dean should have faced being wrong more, both because it would have made a better story and because it probably would have made Dean healthier and happier in the long run. Like Supernatural as it stands is not exactly great for him. The short term Dean suffering of one of his decisions blowing up in his face and a bunch of fighting with Sam/Cas/etc. would have been well worth actually addressing something like his abandonment issues that cause the deantransgressions in a way that would fundamentally matter. The writers contorting to make him "right" - or at least make any serious threat of consequences to his relationships or internal justifications fade away to preserve the status quo - effectively just denied a deeply traumatized character most opportunities for positive character growth. They boiled him in worse and worse dropped conflicts, and it sucks! *Holds up a pic of S1 Dean next to S14 Dean's Abraham moment* Look what they did to my boy! 😭

But at the same time, I can't really get - in the serious Dean character study sense - invested in the Jack arc / divorce arc as some kind of straw breaking the camel's back because, like, that ship sailed a long time ago.

Berens and Dabb's eleventh hour vague gesture toward nebulous "anger issues" isn't fixing Supernatural's insane protagonist syndrome, even before it fizzles back to status quo without delving into the underlying issues. There's nothing meaningfully indicating that this time Dean was particularly deserving of scorn / needed to face the music, other than the lack of following seasons to confirm intent to forget about this one. The main real drive to S14/S15 deancrit is that it was all up there in worst transgressions, and that's just because of escalation. It's the final season and they are pulling out their last cards to shock us for drama. Why not boil him to the point of trying to kill a kid twice??? (These fucking writers... 😤)

Like I don't think adding consequences to Supernatural would have made the divorce arc meaningfully better by coming down hard on Dean's relationship with Cas and Jack? I think adding consequences to Supernatural would have pushed back on Dean's destructive behavior years before Jack was even born, and inevitably eliminated the entire worsening deantransgression pattern (and the Jack-prompted divorce arc along with it). Too much has already been unrealistically swept under the rug at this point. Flipping the consequences switch only for S14/S15 would just be nonsensical.

I reject Dean would have chosen to be the worst version of himself, and recognize he only managed it somewhat because the authorgod was guiding him down all the right turns and constantly sweeping away anything that might make him question where he was going. S14/S15 is a little late to be getting mad at him for being so boiled, you know? Like what is expecting him to realize he should get out of the pot now going to do?