dr. talter telling occtis “the totality is very safe. we have – oh, god, we’re funded partially by the tachonis. I’m putting that together right now. oh, that’s awful. oh god. they’re everywhere. okay. okay. oh, I’m not going back to safety. I’m going back to more problems. oh no. okay. okay.” 😅
Dr.Talter's actual area of study is biology, or as she prefers to call it "Zoology." Both Bolaire and Wicander should be kept 5000 miles away from this woman until they really properly assess her character and motives. These two would be a gift to any struggling academic with questionable morals, but they fit into her niche field like a glove. Dr.Talter is cute and smart and a little pathetic in an endearing way and I don't trust it lol.
Wicander is the (magic induced) grandson of a Celestial, a being she views as a construct not a person. And Bolaire is proof that the halflings cracked the same code that The Shapers did (both perhaps with the help or knowledge of the Primordials?) to crafting constructs that act as people. If you accept his personhood, they crafted constructs that are people.
So A) The people she views as mere constructs could in fact think, feel, and reproduce and B) Her view of constructs is limited and factually flawed. They can be sentient and sapient beings. Maybe meeting them will force a dramatic shift in her world view, or perhaps she'll simply refuse to see Bolaire and Wicander as people, but instead as incredible, fascinating, rare research opportunities.
(This of course begs the question of whether The Shapers themselves knew that constructs could be sentient and could reproduce, at least via magic. Can they only reproduce via magic? That might be, because why else would The Shapers want or need to take pre existing people and change them?)
Is anyone else SUPER uncomfortable with her calling it Zoology rather than like, Engineering or Bioengineering? Zoology still implies life. If you vivisected a horse in front of me, I'd still look at you funny even if you said it "wasn't a person don't worry about it, the screaming isn't real." That's different than disassembling a car, which is sort of what it feels like she is leaning towards in her thinking. And in this case, the horse looks like a person and talks like a person and is asking you to stop like a person...
Oh don't worry, they aren't a person, they're a construct created by the False Gods. Cool cool cool. It's not eugenics, but it's not not eugenics...
C4E16 (1:44:47)
Brennan: She turns to you and says, "My area of study was on the actual biology. 'Biology' is of course a terrible term. I actually think 'zoology' is more correct than 'biology.' But the study of celestials."
Occtis: "Ah, I see."
Dr.Talter: "And their composition and their nature and why the Shapers saw fit to create essentially what are constructs from extraplanar material."
Occtis: "Is this creating a being via this extra-planar material, but then infusing it with their own personal essence to make it a sub-creature of themselves?
Dr.Talter: "Well, historically, there is some evidence that the creation of these constructs was learned from the primordial partners of the Shapers."
Occtis: "Aaaah, interesting."
Dr.Talter: "The Shapers never produced mortal offspring. Although some say that it's actually possible that some of their celestials did, which is a scandalous thought. But, however, the original spirits of service to the great Shapers were actually the original djinn and efreet of the primordials. Which we have some indication actually predates the earliest fossilized records, the remains of celestials and those we've been able to find or potentially harvest. But it's a fascinating-
Occtis: Yeah.
Dr.Talter: "So there are a lot of secrets in how the original celestials were constructed by those, by the Shapers, and a lot of indications that there may have been forces that the Shapers were relying on to be able to make those constructions and this whole fascinating field of study."
Speaking of Celestials and their Construct status and what that means in terms of them being people, Dying of Grief? Refusing to let anyone walk into darkness alone? I don't know, this description of El-Naumri sounds pretty people-y to me...
C4E14 (1:20:54)
Vaelus: "Yes. It is the Stone of Nightsong."
Brennan as Druid: "(grunts) (huffs) Powerful. Very powerful. And not a true stone. This was carved from the bones of El-Naumri. This stone, dense and heavy, is made of a rib." He looks at Hannan. "Of a warrior of autumn leaves, broad wings, a celestial, a servant of Sylandri, who died of grief in the moment of the first elf's passing." He looks at Hannan here. "Before even you or my cousin Hannan here were born thousands of years ago. When El-Naumri died, Tezumriel, another angel of Sylandri, an angel of deep forest, and of birdsong. Nightingale--"
Vaelus: "Yes."
Brennan as Druid: "-- carved this into the stone you see before you. Here in this place, El-Naumri would not permit the soul of the young elf who died to walk into the shadow alone. And El-Naumri became the first angel of death of the elven people, biding their passing. A job that would be well-known to a Tachonis who stands in our midst. It is powerful. What I can tell you is this. This stone is of great sacredness to one of your faith. This stone is of great sacredness to one of your faith. A faith which bore, in ages past, no kindness to those who walk the Old Path. It would know more respect in this glade for a thousand years than for a second in the hands of your family and what they were attempting to do with it."