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OFFICIAL Winds of Winter Update & Why House of the Dragon Fails | Elio Garcia (GRRM Team) Interview.

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Chronicle of a Death Foretold

July 21, 2018

In the earlier published Targaryen family tree as found in The World of Ice & Fire, Princess Daenerys did not exist. In her place was Prince Aeryn Targaryen, Jaehaerys and Alysanne's sixthborn son who died young. Besides Aeryn having been exchanged for Daenerys, several other children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne were shifted in their order of birth.

Regarding these changes, Elio Garcia has stated the following:

... George had some new ideas for some of the names and the stories of the children who died young, and corrected some issues that came out of his original birth order (we actually got the names of all the kids quite late in the production of TWoIaF—literally a month before we had to finalize the book—so there was not much time to interrogate it). However, the stories of those who live to adulthood, as published in TWoIaF, do remain the same (just, of course, much more detailed).

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November 20, 2018

Jaehaerys loved all three children fiercely, but from the moment Aemon was born, the king began to speak of him as his heir, to Queen Alysanne’s displeasure. “Daenerys is older,” she would remind His Grace. “She is first in line; she should be queen.” The king would never disagree, except to say, “She shall be queen, when she and Aemon marry. They will rule together, just as we have.” But Benifer could see that the king’s words did not entirely please the queen, as he noted in his letters.

(...)

It was the hour of the owl when Queen Alysanne was awoken by her daughter shaking her gently by the arm. “Mother,” Princess Daenerys said, “I’m cold.”

There is no need to dwell on all that followed. Daenerys Targaryen was the darling of the realm, and all that could be done for any man was done for her. There were prayers and poultices, hot soups and scalding baths, blankets and furs and hot stones, nettle tea. The princess was six, and years past being weaned, but a wet nurse was summoned, for there were some who believed that mother’s milk could cure the Shivers. Maesters came and went, septons and septas prayed, the king commanded that a hundred new ratcatchers be hired at once, and offered a silver stag for every dead rat, grey or black. Daenerys wanted her kitten, and her kitten was brought to her, though as her shivering grew more violent it squirmed from her grasp and scratched her hand. Near dawn, Jaehaerys bolted to his feet shouting that a dragon was needed, that his daughter must have a dragon, and ravens took wing for Dragonstone, instructing the Dragonkeepers there to bring a hatchling to the Red Keep at once.

None of it mattered. A day and a half after she had woken her mother from sleep complaining of feeling cold, the little princess was dead. The queen collapsed in the king’s arms, shaking so violently that some feared she had the Shivers too.”

—Fire & Blood - Volume I

May 19, 2019

Standing before the Iron Throne, Dany steps forward and kisses the man she loves. A perfect kiss, an expression of pure love and passion.

We push in on them until we’re tight on their faces -- their eyes closed, his hand behind her head, her hand on his cheek.

Dany’s eyes open suddenly as she draws a sharp breath.

Jon’s eyes open as well, already filling with tears. For a moment, neither moves, as if moving will make this real.

In a wider angle, we see Jon with his hand still on the hilt of the dagger he just lodged in Dany’s heart.

Her strength leaves her and she collapses to the marble; he keeps her in his arms as she falls, kneeling down to the floor beside her.

He looks down at what he’s done. Terrible. And necessary. He hopes for one last moment with her.

But her eyes are already glazing over. Winter has come to the Throne Room. Dany lies dead in his arms, Pieta-style, as the snow drifts down.

—GAME OF THRONES "The Iron Throne" - Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss - Based on A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin

January 19, 2020

WELT: Again: We know what will happen to the Mother of Dragons. How do you want to surpass that in a novel – with an alternative literary version?

GRRM: Counter question: How many children did Scarlett O'Hara have? In Margaret Mitchell’s novel “Gone with the Wind” she had three children. But in the cinema version of the novels she only had one child. Which version is the only one valid - the one with one or the other with three children? The answer is: neither. Because Scarlett O'Hara never existed, she is a fictional character, not a real person, who would have had real children. Or take “The Little Mermaid”. We know her from the fairytale of the same name by Hans Christian Andersen and from the Disney movie. Which one is the true mermaid? Well, mermaids do not exist. So you can chose the version that you personally like the best. Changes are inevitable in this process. Even if the adaption is as faithful to the literary source material as it was the case with “Game of Thrones”.

—GEORGE R. R. MARTIN “Die Leute kennen ein Ende – nicht das Ende” - WELT 2020 - (Translation)

April 18, 2021

Q: It is my impression that there are parallels between Westeros history and current events in ASOIAF. so in your opinion to what degree is George martin's history cyclical? Because we have a lot of parallels. For example with the current history and the dance of the dragons.

Elio: You know George even uses that line from talking about the the arms of house Toland, the dragon eating its tail, but it was from the Archmaester Rigney which is a reference to Robert Jordan the writer of the wheel of time, that history is a wheel or time as a circle. I think George certainly deliberately sees, creates parallels. I mean this is a very obvious example, you know if you read The World of Ice and Fire, you saw the family tree of the Targaryens, and the family tree for Jaehaerys and his offspring changes quite a lot when fire and blood comes out. Because George realized that he wanted to create a kind of parallel by introducing another Daenerys. and he said like, i like the symmetry of it, I like the the sort of the way. You could perhaps read it as reflecting on Daenerys's story, maybe. I wish it was true. I mean I think fans of Daenerys need to be really worried about what's going to happen to her. Although I guess Game of Thrones maybe has revealed kind of where things may possibly end. Again the journey is going to be very different. I think you know circumstances, things are going to be very different. So there's a journey that matters. But in any case, so yes I think George uses cycles and things a bit. He likes setting up parallels of events, he likes paralleling characters, he likes paralleling events, and he likes paralleling the past and the present as well.

Linda: I think certainly that when he fleshed out the details of Fire and Blood, even when he first did the sidebars for The World of Ice and Fire, and they just grew. We could see that, okay here he's looking at foreshadowing or commenting on current events by doing a similar scenario in the past and he definitely likes to play around with those aspects.

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(*) Thanks to @istumpysk and her friend for sending me this link!

[littlefeatherr]

cant send the link but it is in the site Tapatalk group ASOIAF In a Sandor vs jaime thread , it is the post 56 Ran said "For all we know, 12-year-old Sandor stabbed some poor citizen of King's Landing who was trying to keep a daughter from being raped by whatever knight Sandor served. His killing a man at 12 doesn't mean a whole lot."

Thank you for providing more information. @nobodysuspectsthebutterfly was hunting for it on worg this morning. I linked it for those interested; please go to page 6, Ran, comment 56 - Tapatalk won't let me link his specific post.

It's just his own stupid invention - without any canon basis - that he put out there to try to prove Jaime is the better fighter after the amputation on that thread. It's a hilariously bad take, because there actually is canon evidence that Sandor is capable of beating Jaime, even before he lost his hand, though it's in a joust and close competition to be sure.

Jaime admits to himself that Brienne could beat him after he loses his hand, and readers can infer that to mean Sandor would be able to do so as well. He also acknowledges that Sandor fights with unmatched strength, speed and ferocity; Jaime's believes he could beat Sandor in speed but not strength.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what Ran thinks of Sandor or his postings of mental fanfiction: this is just one of many of his shitty attempts to stir up the fandom.

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I shouldn’t be surprised given that it’s Elio but holy shit.

I just realized that I linked to the same post twice in my previous answer. This is the other part of what Elio posted.

 I’m not sure which part is my favorite: the one where he basically says that Alysanne doesn’t really mean what she actually said and mansplains her real intent (which isn’t supported by the narrative), the part where he showed me that I’ve been giving them more credit than they deserve because the one moment of pushback against the rampant misogyny wasn’t supposed to be, since Rhaena was apparently wrong and unfair and ~emotional~ in this incident (which makes no sense according to the actual text but what I’m getting from this is that this moment on condemnation was purely accidental on the part of the writers, which means the writing of this book is actually worse than I thought), the part where he turns the tables on the readers by making it that criticizing the actions of the male characters means that the readers were the ones depriving the female characters from their agency (which was taken away by Jaehaerys in the case of Alysanne and by the fucking narrative itself in the case of Alyssa) or the part where he acts like the fact that Alysanne and Jaehaerys continued to have a relationship after Gael’s conception is conclusive evidence that Alysanne had no problem with the pregnancy. And those are just the highlights.

At this point, I’m wondering if anyone even bothered to read this book after the first draft since Elio appears to have no idea what they actually wrote.

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Oh, how the tables have turned: once upon a time dozens of tumblrs were dedicated at calling out lindaaaaa antonsson and her hubby elio's bullshit, and now they're respected contributors who throw shade at the tv show (the same one who martin agreed upon)

Yes, i'm dissapointed

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does anyone know why elio garçia said that in alayne's sample chapter there's no reference to sandor?

How that came to be is a long, stupid story and a good lesson on taking fandom hype and what high-profile fandom members say with a heap of salt.

Basically Vulture reported Elio said the Alayne chapter is “sure to be controversial.”  It was a misquote that led to some wild speculations of something akin to stuff like Sansa killing SR or something similar to the show plot.  The media and the fandom at large just descended on the word “controversial” like a pack of jackals, trying to figure out what that meant.  At that time, the Alayne chapter wasn’t released publically, so part of how everything got misconstrued is in not being able to discuss what he found controversial without divulging spoilers.  Since the Vulture article came out, he clarified his statements on the westeros.org boards:

As with all interviews, sometimes bits get cut to tighten it up… I’m pretty sure what I said was that I thought the chapter might be controversial in some quarters of the fandom. I guess that means it could well be controversial. But, who knows, my assessment might be wrong.    

So then the chapter finally gets released.  As I’m sure you’ve probably read the sample chapter yourself (if not, here you go) and there wasn’t really anything controversial at all.  The tone of the chapter is mostly very light with nothing terrible happening.  It’s true that Sandor isn’t explicitly mentioned.  Sansa fans have known for a long time her sexual maturation was a major part of her character development; however, it wasn’t like she was overtly seducing Harry either.  More like mopping the floor with him and winning him over with her cleverness and confidence.  It only gets mildly flirtatious at the very end with “I’ll be all the spice you’ll ever want.”  Big deal.  So… what did Elio think some fans would find controversial?  Why did he bring this up at all?  Once again, Elio was asked to elaborate on what his clarified statement meant.  

Elio explains in these tweets:  

Basically just the sudden burgeoning appearance of Alayne’s sexuality, and that that focus happens w/o reference to a certain [character]  

Now he never calls out Sansan fans directly here, but it’s not hard to deduce which fans he’s referring to.  In this reddit post, he explicitly says his comment was in reference to Sansan fans:

As I’ve said elsewhere, the appearance of Sansa’s sexuality (and the circumstances, come to think of it, re: Littlefinger’s plans) – it takes sexual desire to understand it in others, and so attempt the sort of flirtation Sansa did with Harry – and the fact that it’s entirely unconnected to Sandor Clegane, who is never referenced in the chapter. I assumed that some, wedded to particular images of Sansa and her possible interest in Sandor, would find this chapter difficult to swallow because of those aspects.

I should clarify three things that people often choose to ignore when I remarked on this in an interview long ago:

1) What we said was that we thought the chapter could be controversial in certain parts of the fandom. It was the interviewer who compressed that to the chapter being “sure to controversial.” We have no control of that sort of thing, but when the interview came out we immediately tried to clarify on our forum and anywhere else we were asked to comment.

2) We had not then read the Mercy chapter, a chapter which also touched on a POV character’s sexuality, and in this case did it in a more clearly deliberately troubling, and certainly more graphic, way that certainly caused some controversy. Perhaps had we read that chapter first, we would have thought the Alayne chapter was small potatoes in comparison and wouldn’t have said anything at all, I don’t know.

3) All that said, this chapter has stirred exactly the controversy I thought it would among certain segments of the Sansa-Sandor fans. It’s just off in tumblr and Livejournal, and perhaps it’s more muted than I would have expected because (unfortunately) my remarks may have had a chilling effect. That was not, by any means, my intention; I am not a SanSan – not a shipper of anything at all – but just because it’s not my jam doesn’t mean it’s a problem if it’s someone else’s.

So this was the crux why this whole thing started.  That Elio made his statement based on an assumption of how a group of shippers might possibly flip their lids over Sandor not being explicitly mentioned in a chapter that shows Sansa expressing a more mature sexuality towards another guy.  To be fair, he also said that if the Mercy chapter had been available to read before this one, it might have put the Alayne chapter into greater perspective, so much that he might never have said anything about it.

To my knowledge, I never saw any Sansan fan or any shipper being remotely upset about Sansa’s character development in this chapter.  Quite the opposite in fact.  Maybe somewhere in the fandom some fringe hardcore shippers that deny things like Sansa fantasizing about Loras because it somehow threatens their otp got upset about this, but those people are ridiculous and can’t read.  They definitely are not representative of the majority of Sansan fans. 

The worst that actually happened was perhaps that some Sansan fans got a little annoyed at Elio for assuming we’d be clutching our pearls and wringing our hands over the lack of Sandor.  I’m trying not to put words in his mouth, but that’s the feeling I was getting from that.  Initially, Elio had conceded that “[his] assessment might be wrong.”  Fair enough; however, in the reddit post he says “this chapter has stirred exactly the controversy I thought it would among certain segments of the Sansa-Sandor fans” primarily on tumblr and LJ.  Apparently, Linda and Elio don’t exactly have a good opinion of the fandom on tumblr to put it mildly.  So I find it a little suspect when according to him fans on tumblr and LJ proved his prediction correct.  And then to say the reaction was more “muted than [he] would have expected” (did he expect torches and pitchforks? idk) which he attributes to his remarks having a “chilling effect.”  Ok?  Or maybe… no one except for perhaps a very tiny minority found anything worth fretting over.  Maybe that’s why he found it so “muted.”  Good grief.  

So there you have it.  A whole lotta fuss over a non-issue that one guy assumed would be an issue because of shipping.  Not that you asked, but I do in fact feel Sandor’s character is present in that chapter in a sense.  Loras’s too.  In my character analysis essay on Harry the Heir, I think that Harry is a poor imitation of some of the major personality traits of Sandor and Loras combined.  Those two are her main influences in her sexual maturation for the published books.  What that means for Sansa to evaluate someone like him as a potential suitor works well for continuing her development from the previous books.                 

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11 reasons you should read George R. R. Martin’s epic series (Spoilers)

Elio Garcia, of Westeros.org fame, talks about why you should read the books.