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the first ones here
Eurylochus held true to Odysseus' words about love, and nobody really acknowledges it.
They are perfect foil for each other.
Odysseus' struggle to keep his crew alive and ultimately ends in their deaths and his fleet's destruction.
Eurylochus' struggle to keep Odysseus alive and the crew safe ultimately ends in his brother being stabbed and heart break.
Every song and scene they have together has them take separate paths to try to reach their results.
"Remember Them" — Odysseus is filled with pain and haunting memories, and Eurylochus tries harder to tell his captain to be cautious because he saw what happened. They're hurting. This pain will manifest in two different ways.
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"Luck Runs Out" — Odysseus is blind to his own arrogance and overconfidence while Eurylochus, singing for himself and the crew, reminds him that the powers above are dangerous. The captain sees this as mild insubordination; Eurylochus sees it as the only way to be able to express his concern but agrees to stop publicly doubting his king.
"You rely on wit and then men die on it" = why can't you see that you are not the "neither man or mythical" you claim to be
"Puppeteer" — Eurylochus finally starts a song, a significant development, to confess something to his king because he knows what he has done wrong and wants to be honest and upfront. Odysseus dismisses him due to the problems in his mind and what he thinks is priority. The second-in-command knows how saving people always seems to go and tries to sway Odysseus to cut off the metaphorical lizard tail. Odysseus is haunted by the deaths that have already occurred and wants to hold onto any crew member that he can.
"There's no length I wouldn't go if it was you I had to save. I can only hope you'd do the same." He does not know that Eurylochus being able to doubt him so much and remind him of mortality is him sticking his neck out. He's closer to Odysseus and has a tighter bond, but he can still be punished for lack of obedience. He breaks the rules for Odysseus, and all the man sees is a rule-breaker due to familiarity. He's doing the same every time he speaks.
"It's a game of wits, but you don't have to play" = reminder, Ody, that we can leave and keep trying
(In between) Notice we don't hear Eurylochus as a strong voice w/ the crew since Odysseus hushed him on Circe's Island. I believe this is significant. He doesn't speak until he can reveal his sins.
"Scylla" — Eurylochus can finally let the news off of his chest, but unfortunately for him, three songs ago his captain decided to become a monster. Odysseus, betrayed already and knowing he must sacrifice six men includes his right hand in the torchbearers lineup, but someone steals the torch. This series of actions has Eurylochus suspect/know the plot while noticing his captain did nothing but resign himself.
"Leaving them feeling betrayed, breaking the bonds that you've made..." A double meaning. The right-hand left his captain feeling betrayed. The king left his brother-in-law feeling betrayed. The entire crew is in pain and has had enough.
Note: All of Scylla's lines have multiple meanings, but I'll be here all night if I try to dissect each one in this post.
"Mutiny" — The sacrifice is the final straw for Eurylochus. He held back before because Odysseus' goal was to keep them alive and go home, but there's none of that here. He demands an answer but cannot be given one. With regret, he does the only thing he can think and fights Odysseus, hoping to beat him and make him finally come off his high horse or false near-god ideology or beat sense into him at the very least.
Zoom to the future, Eurylochus cannot lead the men on his own with his own will and has lost hope. Odysseus begs him not to make any rash decision, but he kills the cow of the sun god and shocks himself out of the depressed and desperate haze he was in.
"Don't make me fight you, brother, you know you'd have done the same" = if you were in my position, would you not sacrifice for my sister?
"If you want all the power, you must carry all the blame" = you cannot appeal to my empathy to cover up your mistakes anymore, brother
"I'm just a man." It's ironic that the only time he uses this line for himself reflects Odysseus' blindness in a different way. He speak almost like he's in a trance and is driven by his instincts. Odysseus says he's just a man to protest his emotions and needs and ultimate choice to throw away lives because he needs his goal. Though many comment jokingly on Eurylochus not deserving this line, I think this is his own way of being shown to connect to his captain before the shit drops.
"Thunder Bringer" — Eurylochus says the least during this song. His solitary lines are calling for his captain, his brother, his friend one last time and admitting to himself and Odysseus the inevitability of his choice he already knows is chosen. In Neal Illustrator's depiction of this particular song, it shows the crew surging forward at the betrayal as Eurylochus stays behind with a lost and broken look. That hurt resignation is the last thing we see from Eurylochus for the rest of the musical.
Oh my gods, these are the perfect antagonist and protagonist duo, and I love them together dearly.
*whispers*
The second last line in Epic The Musical is "For you".
The way Penelope sings "Fo-o-o-o-or" is identical to the way Odysseus' crew harmonized in 2 of the songs.
The first is in "Remember Them" When Ody tells the Cyclops his name, His crew is harmonizing in the background. like "Oh-o-o-o-oh"
The second time is in "Different Beast" When Ody is like "Kill 'em all!" His crew is harmonizing behind him like, "Oh-o-o-o-oh".
They harmonize like this every time Odysseus goes against a vital lesson he was taught. First, he goes against Athena's "Don't show mercy" Then, he goes against Polites' "Show mercy"
The crew (when they were alive) harmonizes like this every time Ody goes through a drastic change of character.
Both songs are about what he misses. "Remember Them" Is him mourning Polites and where he begins to miss Ithica to the point of madness. "Different Beast" is a desperate and drastic display of missing his wife, further demonstrating how he's changed into who he is now.
In both sagas he ends up sacrificing something in order to get back to Ithica. In The Cyclops saga, it's his friendship with Athena, as well, as his name to Polyphemus. in The Thunder Saga, it's his crew.
The way Penelope sings the word "For" as well as he line "For you" itself, is a culminations of the previous times the Crew has harmonized it.
It shows a drastic change in Odysseus' character, but instead of rejection, he's met with acceptance. And instead of a chorus, it's a single person, the person he did all this for.
By saying "Fo-o-o-o-or you" The same way the crew did, Penelope is accepting the change in Odysseus and things he did *for her* and in a way, explaining how she changed throughout those 20 years as well.
... sorry is this doesnt make sense. but basically, the way Penelope sang "For you" is the same as when the crew harmonized every time Ody had a drastic change, and it is an acceptance of the man(monster) he's become.
But Captain, what do we do with our fallen friends?
I AM THE INFAMOUS....
ODYSSEUS!
Someone suggested this back in the troy saga and i freaking love it.
Reddit: What do I call the man who led me and my 599 buddies through war unscathed but just got a bunch of you killed by a cyclops?
Captain! (Crunch)
Nobody (noooooobody here nope)
Monster (unleash the beast🥤)
The reigning king of ithaca (👑)
Neither man nor mythical (we just lying now. Odysseus hon, you are both)
Your darkest moment (cue FORESHADOWING)
The infamous ODYSSEUS (coming soon to a honda dealer near you)
Brother-in-law (eurylocus only)
Son of laertes (who is alive and still in ithaca btw. J chillin)
Man of twists and turns/man of many devices (og classics nerds know)
Jorge/Im bald/vanilla extract/show results
I know hes got other names but figured these would be the most fun. But seriously, this child was named ‘pain in the ass to everyone’ and lives up to the name.
guys vol 2 was just the survive before the remember them. trust 😭😭😭
“I am your darkest moment, I am the infamous Odysseus” -Odysseus (Remember Them)
“I am your darkest moment, the monster that always draws near” -Poseidon (Ruthlessness)
