#horuss.prtsc

[nekropsii]

Hiiiiiiii! Insane your iceberg post and was wondering if possibly i could have the sources for: the one about horrus being a system, the cronus abelism one as Well as the one about kurloz talks cronus out of being the hero if its not too much of a bother! Have a lovely day and Take care!

Oh, sure! I absolutely can do that! Easy-peasy!

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On Horuss Being a System...

Horuss's Plurality is quite an easy one. He references it multiple times! It verges on interesting, but every time the bait is taken, we get hit with the switch of it being a really cruel punchline against an extremely vulnerable group of people.

Yikes!

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On Cronus's Disillusionment...

We mostly get this one from Aranea's infodump on Cronus. Here it is, verbatim, with the relevant portion in bold:

The 8ard of Hope may seem a little jaded these days, 8ut once he had a deeply abiding faith in magic, and dedicated himself to 8ecoming a great wizard. He 8ecame convinced he was hatched to defeat an extraordinarily evil magician, one he swore the angels foretold of. Though when pressed for the name of the man, he would not say it, claiming it was too dangerous to even enunciate. Part of his self-aggrandizing mythos was that this magician once somehow from afar tried to strike him down at a young age, so he would never have to face him. But the evil spell was deflected, sealing the magician's spirit away in a series of unassuming vessels until he could find some other cunning way to enter our universe. The attack supposedly left him with his distinctive scar. 8ut at some point he became disillusioned with magic. Any truth to his far fetched vision, the legacy of defeating the evil magician would have to 8e passed on to his descendant, or if his descendant proved to be as much of a failure as he did, then perhaps on some other Hero of Hope. I'm unsure why he suffered this crisis of faith, aside from the obvious reasons having to do with an overall lack of character, or any other redeeming qualities. Perhaps someone talked him out of his 8eliefs. Maybe a friend close to him. Or, if one is to 8elieve his fantasy held any water, perhaps someone who was in league with the evil magician.

Yep! It's just fucking Harry Potter, with a twist! But it's implied that Kurloz did that. He is pretty well known for colluding with the "Evil Wizard" in question, being Lord English, as well as mysteriously being there at every major event, ever... And Cronus is terrified of him, so. I think the only reasonable assumption is that Once Again, Kurloz Did It.

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On Cronus's Ableism...

And finally... Wait. Wait, hold on a minute...

Did you just ask me for evidence that Cronus is Ableist?

The other two things are understandable, but... Really? You need a source on Cronus Ampora being Ableist? Are you... New here? Have you ever actually read anything Cronus has ever said? Brother, Cronus being Ableist is just about the most obvious trait he has. This is one of the key takeaways most people get from the Openbounds. His ableism is so fucking bad it's what made most people stop reading the Openbounds. His ableism is so bad it's genuinely triggered people before. It's so bad it's made people physically nauseous.

Well... You asked for it. I appreciate you seeking out knowledge, even if I'm a little confused by it. Here's a compilation of SOME - stressing, SOME, not ALL - of the vile things he's said to Mituna, who's mentally disabled due to a Traumatic Brain Injury.

Presented without further comment. Do I really need to make one?

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You have a lovely day, too, Anon. Take care. May fortune find you, in mind and in wallet. Lol.

[nekropsii]

🔥 - Horuss

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If I see one more person say the most problematic thing about Horuss’s writing is that he’s making fun of Otherkin/Therian people, I’m gonna lose it. Yes, it is mean that Hussie is making fun of a group of people who are thoroughly minding their own business and just enjoying themselves…

…But, I’m sorry, it’s kind of chump change in comparison to the fact that Horuss is actually Hussie making fun of Systems, Hussie just thinks they’re the same thing and the same level of Fake and Lame. I think making fun of Systems takes precedence in this situation. I think that’s a little more important.

Simultaneously, though, Horuss is a very interesting character and Hussie verges on one of the most fascinating handlings of identity in Homestuck with him, they just shoot themself in the foot with the inability to be sincere without making a joke out of it.

I mean this genuinely, by the way. Horuss is a very interesting character. It’s a shame Hussie turned it all into a punchline.

[nekropsii]

Horuss is very angry and aggressive?

Canonically? Yeah, absolutely. Perhaps "was" is a better term to use... But he definitely still has his moments, constantly. Such as his really disturbingly aggressive Hemoloyalty. But he's not really outwardly "angry and aggressive" in the traditional sense... Anymore, and for now. I might've mentioned this earlier, but Horuss's smiley demeanor is actually a facade forced upon him by Meulin.

This whole "Smiley Horuss" deal is a very recent change, in text. Very, very recent. It occurred in the advent of Horuss and Meulin becoming Moirails, which occurred in the advent of them meeting Equius and Nepeta. They saw their Moirallegience, and wanted what they had, basically.

Anyway, this Moirallegience meant that, in true Meowrails fashion, Meulin was the one keeping Horuss in check. But... Meulin has a rather unfortunate problem with Toxic Positivity, actually, which was a very common issue amongst Tumblr users for a while, especially people heavier into the fandom side of things... And this is what lead to Meulin forcing the facade of constant happiness onto Horuss... Essentially as "treatment" for his anger issues. She seems to be under the impression that it is somehow healthier to force yourself to never experience any negative emotion, ever, than it is to be able to confront and healthily engage with your negative feelings. Which... Again, is just what Toxic Positivity is, and again, was a huge problem on Tumblr for a while. It's a unique form of the Anti-Recovery mindset.

As the above screenshot says, Horuss finds this mask to be putting him in constant agony. It's really not helping him, and he's still an asshole. He just happens to feel more like garbage constantly for it. He isn't addressing a single one of his issues or bigoted views, he's just smiling while expressing them. For once, Meenah is the Voice of Reason regarding this:

She's right for that. It is some pretty shitsauce advice.

[nekropsii]

adding to the Rufioh negativity: when trying to break up with Horuss didn't work, Rufioh started to try and cheat on him and asked out Aradiabot (who reminded him of Damara from being her beta counterpart and her wiring making her aggressive) right in front of Horuss who was oblivious (too many fans forget fanart is just fanart and canonically, his headgear covers his ears and "fills with sweat"- stating this because fans blamed Horuss for it???)

The idea of blaming Horuss for Rufioh hitting on a 13 year old girl is so fucking funny to me. Some people really do not want to acknowledge that Rufioh kind of just sucks. Way to blameshift! Totally not a weird thing to do. I've gotta correct something here, though: The thing about Horuss's headgear "filling with sweat" and therefore blocking his hearing is a deliberate act of dishonesty on Horuss's part. Rufioh's not the only person at fault for the relationship not ending, because Horuss is achingly aware that Rufioh wants to conclude it.

Horuss isn't stupid, he just really doesn't want it to be over. At least not on his own terms.

The context to the line about his ears filling with sweat... Is that it's right after Rufioh goes on this whole speech about the entire history of their relationship. It's incredibly long, and then it leads directly into Rufioh trying to break up with him.

He's deflected like this before. That's what that is. He knows what's happening, he's just denying it, because he's not very good at giving Rufioh much autonomy. This is why he immediately goes on to reasserting their status as "Romantic Afterlife Partners" right after that deflection. He doesn't even give Rufioh a chance to repeat himself, even though he asked... Because he wasn't ever going to give him the chance to do that. It sucks. This is undeniably a bad situation and undeniably a toxic relationship, but it doesn't excuse everything Rufioh has done. Like this!

Every square nanometer of this is just plain creepy.

The idea of approaching and hitting on a 13 year old girl who is related to your ex-girlfriend- which you do nothing but ridicule behind her back, calling her psycho, refusing to view her perspective with any level of compassion or validity, et cetera- purely because she reminds you so much of her is just... Downright predatory, in more ways than one. This is genuine sexual predator behavior. What he wants here is a repeat, but with a clean slate, and a new layer of vulnerability- because, again, Aradia is 6 years younger than him. She's 13. He is 19. That's a Middle Schooler and a College Student.

The way he's talking about her here sounds more like he's talking about a sex doll in Damara's image than a real, separate person, who is also 13 years old. It's completely and utterly vile. Attractive or not, and tragic or not- there's no excuse for this behavior. None! And not one part of this exchange is legitimately Horuss's fault. Yes, Horuss is a bad partner to Rufioh. He is responsible for that. But no, Horuss is not responsible for Rufioh being a predatory. That's all on Rufioh.

[nekropsii]

hi! i was wondering if you would like. mind screenshotting or maybe linking where horuss is mentioned/alluded to being a system? i'm one myself and i missed that when reading homestuck for the first time, but i can't really access the version now where everything isn't broken :(

Here’s the solution to everything being broken. All MSPA content is archived on the Unofficial Homestuck Collection, and it is imperative that you use it if you want a good experience with the webcomic these days, since, as you said, Homestuck is largely broken now.

I’m more than happy to provide, though, as it can be difficult to comb through the entirety of the Alpha Troll Openbounds, and it’s rather unreasonable to expect everyone to have caught everything from their playthrough of it. The thing about Horuss’s Systemhood is that there’s one line in particular that most everyone has seen, but misinterpreted as him likening himself to a machine rather than him saying he is a legitimate system. Pictured below.

This. This was about Systemhood. It’s a really confusing line out of context, but when you realize one of his other lines is this…

… It becomes a lot more obvious that Horuss’s character was Hussie punching down at Systems, and his entire deal of being Otherkin/Therian suddenly reads much more poorly, because then you realize Hussie was conflating being Otherkin/Therian with being a System. It’s… Messy. It’s really messy.

I’m honestly glad I seem to be one of the only people who’s actually aware of this, and that this fact about Horuss was never well known, from what I’ve seen. I’ve quite genuinely never seen people discuss Horuss’s status as a System outside of this blog. I feel like it would’ve made the Ableism problem in the fandom a lot worse, and that a lot of people would have internalized a lot of things.

[nekropsii]

Wait, Horuss is meant to be representative of a system?

He is not representative of a System, he IS a System. He uses that term directly. There isn't any distance from the topic, nor any subtlety. There's no questioning it.

I have to state the obvious: This isn't good representation, and isn't intended to be such. It is an intentional mockery, and a conflation of "Otherkin" and "Systemhood". Hussie was just being a dick, as usual.

[nekropsii]

Since you seem to be the leading scholar on the subject, what are your favourite Horuss lines? In the sense of “you find them the most interesting”, I mean.

Oh, “Leading Scholar,” you make me blush!

This is a fun question!! Honestly, I really like seeing Horuss talk about his Identity, and perceived lack thereof. Hugely underrated aspect of his character, probably because half of it is kind of mean spirited. Here’s some quotes I find fascinating:

Horuss is extremely, extremely insecure about his identity- his status of being a Renaissance Man didn’t quell any of it. In fact, I’d go as far as to say it actually heightened his insecurities. His state of what I’d like to call “Prodigal Perfection” has led him to feeling like there was nothing truly unique about him- a rather interesting adaption of the title Page of Void.

It seems what he craves is Shortcomings. He craves to have some kind of flaw that connects him with others, he craves the inherent intrigue that comes with having something you struggle with. Despite having everything come to him naturally, he feels like what he lacks the most is Creative and Personal Identity. Nothing truly marks his work and his personhood as his own, nothing marks him as truly special.

He’s remarkable at what he does. He’s perfect, and he’s probably the image of what many creatives strive to be- perfect at everything you could ever ask to be perfect in, even at the first try- but at the end of the day, flaws are what connect us to the world and those around us. He’s never been given that humanity. He’s most likely always been a commodity. I almost want to liken him to a Child Star, combined with the image of Gifted Kid Burnout.

I’m just rambling now, so I’ll cut it off there. If anyone else wants some interesting Alpha Troll quotes, hit me up! I’m full of them, lol. Gotta read up on them a lot if you’re trying to write them!