#httyd discussion

[shapeshiftingshades]

Yall… I need some help. I’m having trouble choosing some species for a hybrid… so therefore, poll.

Species

Sentinel

Flightmare

Singe Tail

Razor Whip

Deathsong

Dramillion

Snow Wraith

Changwing

Sandbuster

Voting ended onMar 23, 2025

[shapeshiftingshades]

Ok- is it just me or is Ryker in ‘Midnight Scrum’ excruciatingly hot or?? I know I can’t be the only one with a thing for this man- cuz like- hot damn!

(Also the way he gets knocked out by Stoick is really funny to me for some reason-)

I have issues I am not willing to address when it comes to this fandom-

[dove-tears]

there are a PLETHORA of things about the httyd franchise canon that i have my gripes for but one little nitpick in particular that's always irked me even when i was younger was the way naming the species of a dragon worked.

like the 1st movie already established that the dragons were named the way they were by the berkian tribe because to them they were a deadly force to be reckoned with, driving home the idea that they were "extremely dangerous and to kill on sight", the whole point of the movie turning that notion around and proving that they are incredibly misunderstood creatures that are deserving of respect and thrive off of love and companionship.

and afaik the berkians (at least during the time of the 1st movie) were confirmed to be an isolated tribe before they befriended dragons, the book of dragons was never cowritten by anyone else and any outsiders are clearly shown as foreign and new to the tribe, the later installments pretty much retcon this and dragons are still called by what the berkians call them by outsiders, like for example why does eret, an outsider, call toothless a night fury and why did nobody ever question him for that lmao, i have this exact same frustration with the tv shows.

i feel like it'd be much more better worldbuilding if people outside the berkian tribe actually referred to dragons differently to show their different perspectives on them. like how the berkians once viewed the monstrous nightmare as quite literally what they call them another tribe may view them as an reincarnation of a benevolent sun god deserving to be revered or something along those lines and the way they refer to them being reflective of that, ik the shows kinda sorta already touched on this but i feel like it could've been handled better imo. i hope i made some sort of sense here idk that concludes my babbles for tonight

[reviewinghiccup]

I WOULDN’T KILL A DRAGON…

When I was a kid, I was very different from my peers. I stood many inches taller, was a different race than the rest and I couldn’t speak their language as fluently (yet). I wanted so much to fit into what I thought society was, and looked however everyone else looked. This made for a very miserable childhood which developed into a stigma that carried into adulthood.

When I started working, I didn’t do too well at first - not because I wasn’t good at my jobs, but because I just didn’t like the work I was doing. But I had this image of “Who I Should Be” and was hyper aware of how far short I fell.

This is why loving HTTYD is more than just childhood nostalgia, because upon a rewatch this last weekend - it dawned on me - Hiccup was never a coward, lazy, bad luck, etc. he was stuck in a funk of what he sees should be his reality and what his reality is.

Actually, Gobber was the only one who knew that Hiccup just had to find a way to accept himself for who he is. Obviously, he wouldn’t know that who Hiccup truly is is what the village needs to propel them to the future, but Gobber knew enough that Hiccup would not be able to be like a typical Viking because he wasn’t a typical Viking.

His father knew that too - begrudgingly - but he understood that Hiccup was different and he likewise just didn’t know how to place him and where Hiccup would eventually sit in the village.

But Hiccup took time before he got to realising that he would’ve never been happy being like the other Viking kids. What he loved he discovered when he allowed himself the room to step outside his comfort zone and listen to that voice on the inside telling him to find out more about dragons.

Hiccup is a Viking. His fate ties very closely to dragons, but not in the way that it has for centuries. It tied to the future, and that was why he would never fit in in the village as he is. As the village was changing, it needed the leader to bring about that change. Another Stoic would’ve spelt defeat for Berk in the long run of succession (think about it, how long were their ways of living going to let survive?).

Hiccup was confined to the environment he was in. And that stifled his progress. And what if, this mundanity, that feeling of being “trapped” in a dead end job or community be a sign that we need to outgrow our placement? We need to give ourselves permission to just accept that we’re different and go after that spirit of adventure tugging at our heart.

When Hiccup stopped caring what the villagers thought, and focused on learning about dragons and building that contraption to help Toothless fly - he shifted his life’s trajectory to being what he thinks he should be to what he actually is.

And that’s why, a favourite scene of mine is the one leading up to Test Drive - that trial and error, focus and determination to learn, live and find that adventure within the mundanity of failure and mistakes. You can see him beaming with purpose, working on himself and frankly coming into his own.

To be fair, before he met Toothless, he obviously didn’t know what he should be, because without Toothless there would be no revelation that he’s a dragon rider. So, it made sense that he was lost, and thought (just like everyone else did) that he had to be like his dad. But when the opportunity came the best thing Hiccup did was allow himself to embrace his differences and not kill Toothless, accepting his quirk forever whatever it may mean.

From this point on, his whole life takes a drastic turn and he becomes everything he was made out to be, and I guess what I’ve been looking for - is that change, because I think I’m also in an environment where I don’t relate to the others though I know I am meant to do something here. I just can’t tell yet - what.

[kitkatmonsterfox]

What would the ninja Dragons be if they were in the httyd universe?

Here is my list of what dragons of each ninja would have if they would in the httyd universe. So click the read more to see, and also let me know what dragon you see the ninja having!

The first one is Kai, his is a monstrous nightmare. Original it was a singetail, but it doesn't go too well because singetail are known to be hardy dragons to tame due to them being territorial, but only that when there's one singetail it very like there will be a pack of them, Plus Kai would say the monstrous nightmare is cooler because it can set itself on fire while also having a loveable face. ❤️

Second is nya, and hers is the tide glider. This one was a little hard due to some of the tide base dragons not really fitting nays character, I've could've gone with the scauldron, but in lore they need to be in water 24/7. Also, I would think nya would like a dragon that can fast travel across the water. idk, tell me guys what dragon would fit, nya!

Third is Jay, and his dragon will be. It skrill, just skrill...

Ok, fourth is Cole, and his dragon is a shovelhelm. The reason I chose this dragon and not a Grunkle is because i feel like their description fits Cole as a character. They are described as being intelligent, finding problems to fix, also they are very chubby and cute

Fifth is Zane. His is a snow wrath, I've realized there are not really that many ice dragons in the httyd universe. The only dragon I know is the Bewilderes beast and the Chimeragon, but that dragon is a hybrid and holds 3 elements,but I feel that the snow wrath will be very useful for Tracking do to there thermovision and speed

Sixth is lloyd, his dragon is a dramillion the parrot of the httyd universe, having the ability to mimic any dragon fire power with Hight Intelligence and great leader ship for a pack animal, I always fell that this dragon fit lloyd very well.

Now for Wu and garmadon. I would say that Wu gets a Terrible terror & stormcutter, while garmadon gets a trippelstrike and a night terror

So that my idea on which dragon the ninja would have in the httyd universe next are the villains or the dragon rising character!

[reviewinghiccup]

I really love this blog and I know its focus is to analyze Hiccup’s character from what we are given from the films and shows but do you think he felt some sort of resentment towards the other teens, the village, and even Stoick shortly after the events of the first movie? I don’t recall seeing anything like this from Hiccup (correct me if I’m wrong) since it’s just in his nature to be very selfless and forgiving. However, I’m sure that with the lost of his leg and the people suddenly treating him with respect (aside from Stoick, I don’t think we’ve seen any other character formally apologizing for treating him so poorly before), it must have been a very difficult time for him to adjust to, both physically and emotionally. I might be missing a lot things as I write this but I’m sure Hiccup has plenty of scars under the surface that will take lots of time to heal. I’d love to know what are your thoughts about this, thanks!

Wow, that's a really interesting question. @per4mancecheck noted in my post that the reason Hiccup was able to sympathise w Astrid in the episode Blindsided [Episode 11, Season 4 (Race to the Edge)] is because of his own disability. And that got me thinking about what it was possibly like when he woke up and saw his leg missing.

We know that at the end of the 1st movie, he sorta just accepts it. I reckon that was more a pacing issue and the show had to finish on a congratulatory note. It would be a bit too heavy perhaps to go into his disability thereafter. But the shows don't go into it much either. And from what I know and recall of the episodes thus far, no one has apologised for their mistreatment towards him or that he lost his leg. At least not verbally and not written into the shows.

I have a few theories:

(1) THE PRIDE OF BATTLE SCARS

Maybe it wasn't something he dwelled on, because to lose a leg was better than to lose a life. It could be Hiccup was a glass half full kinda person and he was just glad to be alive.

We know from the franchise that the Vikings take glory in battle scars. And they love a good story that comes with it. And losing a leg battling the Red Death is a damn good one.

I also think Hiccup isn't someone who dwells on things, because in HTTYD 2, it didn't take him long to forgive his mother who left him motherless to rescue dragons. He was just happy to have her back again (like Stoick). No resentment towards her or the dragons. Or even Toothless who killed Stoick. It's like his level of understanding reaches undefinable strides. [Granted he was angry, but not for long. He just gets it.]

A) IT WAS NORMAL TO LOSE A LIMB

Further, it is possible that it wasn't something to think about because it was normal for them to lose a limb back then. Many of them have or know someone who has lost a limb (or their minds). When its normalised, the sting of stigma is neutralised.

B) THE FIGHTING SPIRIT

Its that fighting spirit, that even though they suffer from some sort of physical impediment, that isn't going to stop them from fighting Outcasts / Berserkers or serving the community.

Hiccup must've also been used to "coming short" if you get me. And in a way, he supplements his short comings w gadgets. Like the shield, Inferno/Dragon Blade and lots of training.

(2) THE NO HARD FEELINGS CULTURE

Most of the people around him are pretty unapologetic. They're Vikings. It might be in their constitution to not apologise, with words. Maybe they might w actions. We know in the series "When Lightning Strikes" [Episode 13, Season 1 (Riders of Berk)] when the town mistakenly accused Toothless for the fierce lightning storms, they apologised to him by giving loads of peace offerings. Maybe they did the same with Hiccup and we didn't see it because the episodes only began after he was able to walk on the peg-leg, which could've taken some time.

A) ACTIONS SPOKE LOUDER

For example, when he wakes up, dragons could roam freely. They didn't fight dragons anymore. They believed him. I also like to think, their image of him had taken a drastic turn for the better. He gained a lot of respect and that could mean more to him than an apology. Especially since he's the son of the chief and heir to the title. He needs that respect.

B) SORRY, NOT SORRY

In certain cultures, to say sorry might mean nothing much to them. My cousin is half Chinese, and her mother is not much of a "saying sorry" to fix things type. She might, make your favourite meal or buy a snack you like to make up for it and my cousins accepts that as an apology. Live and let live? Yannow?

But as for Snotlout and Tuff/Ruff (can't recall which) I don't think they would've said sorry or even knew they did something wrong. Either because they were too proud to realise (Snotlout) or too dense to notice (the Twins). In fact, they do make fun of him for it.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT...

I believe you have a solid point. Regardless of what society you live in and what type of person you are, when you lose a limb it is counted as a great loss. Especially, if you could've saved it if the people around you had listened. In a natural sense, I'm sure he must've been at least angry. Life without a limb is tough.

Because of his metal leg, he attracts lightning during a storm when flying Toothless. Sometimes during an adventure, he might lose his leg or an enemy might take it away from him to impede him. I mean, it is weakness in the strictest sense, cumbersome if anything else. But I don't think he held it against the other teens on the island for long because whatever he did during the show for them came from a position of genuine friendship.

Emotion wise though, I too wonder if he has completely healed. You see, Hiccup is very attached to Toothless. Toothless is like an extension of himself. He serves like an emotional support animal. The Dragon Academy, Alvin, Dagur, the Grimborn brothers, etc. they also serve as distractions. When he hyper-fixates on these things, he doesn't seem so interested in his own personal issues. That's probably where the phrase "an idle mind is the devil's playground" came from. And why adults asks us to keep busy, cause when you don't your thoughts could run wild.

That may explain why in HTTYD: The Hidden World, Astrid said "but he thinks he is nothing without Toothless." Because for the longest time, Toothless has made things easier for him. Instead of just walking, Hiccup can now fly.

This statement might be an indication that Hiccup hadn't fully resolved his internal conflict and insecurity. I mean, how many of us young adults have issues that date back to childhood?

I think the internal struggle branches out in the final movie because of the loss of his father. That could be why he wasn't ready for marriage, as Astrid knew the case to be. Because before he can transition into a new position, he needed to first know who he is, independent of Toothless. Leg or no leg.

He also needed to believe in the strength he now had with Astrid. And maybe even why it had to be with just Astrid.

I think he must've carried some sort of scar, that only letting go of Toothless could heal. Because, while Toothless resembled strength and adventure, he also signified dependence. And the only way to know you have recovered completely is to let go of your crutch.

I may be overstepping here, but this is just my two-cents.

Thank you so much for asking this question. I had a wonderful time answering it. Gave me a chance to think about things I haven't yet given enough consideration. Above all, I really hope this answer helps.

[companion-of-the-dragonmark]

How Old is Hiccup the Second?

“The dragon Furious remembered when the defiant, teenage Hiccup the Second had put the Mark on his own forehead, to show his love for the dragon Furious, and how the boy’s father, Grimbeard the Ghastly, had raged at him in a fury, for the Mark was banned and had become the Mark of a slave.”

— “How to Fight a Dragon’s Fury”, Chapter 20, Pages 129b and 331a.

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It’s passages like this that make me wonder how old Hiccup the Second was when he died. I personally believe that he was probably an adult — which, during in Viking Age, was anywhere between 12-16 depending on the regions, though the common average was 14 — probably just in his twenties. By the way the Witch Excellinor described Hiccup the Second, he sounded like he was around that age, or at least close to it. 

There have been some who have speculated Hiccup the Second to have been the same age as Hiccup when he died — 14-years-old. However, unfortunately, Cressida Cowell has neglected to prove anything concerning Hiccup the Second’s age. What I would LOVE to see is for her to write us a prequel series, where we get to see the lives of Hiccup the First and Hiccup the Second and their dragons. I would PAY LOTS OF MONEY to read those! XD

Unfortunately, one can never BE so lucky. :’( So I guess I’m going to have to make them myself... as fanfictions. ^_^

[minlout3heathlegs3ruffthrokfan]

Which of these pairings do you ship?

1) Minlout,

2) Heathlegs,

3) Ruffthrok

Or 4) two or all of the above?

I have a confession to make: I ship all of these. lol XD

So what about you? Which of these three pairings do you ship, and why?

(Note: I’ll be posting more things concerning these three pairings in the near future, so please follow if you’re wanting to get more content from me.)