#kibbe analysis

[kibbekpopcompendium]

What do you think about kard especially somin ?

I'll start from easiest/most obvious.

Jiwoo is definitely a SN, and she’s always dressed on point: long voluminous hair, ruffled details, openness around the collar. She’s a great reference for SN ish looks that are a bit more edgy or gothic.

BM is pretty much the ultimate no-brainer male FN. Head to toe, he’s clearly vertical + frame. 

J.Seph required a bit more consideration than the previous members. I have considered classic family before, but looking more closely I think he’s pure yin, R. He has rather pretty features, I think he’s well complemented with soft wavy hair/long hair. He also has a sturdy look that seems common in R men, but the rounded shoulder shape indicates yin.

I used to be team TR for Somin. This was also the opinion I saw from other people. I’ll say this, her body type reminds me of Christina Aguilera, interestingly, the majority seemed to think she was TR despite not being typed. And then David Kibbe (who created the system) said she was definitely not TR… Looking closer, Somin is small boned and petite, but not curvy in the way of a TR. I actually don’t see curve at all. She looks more rectangular, but with delicate facial features. Now.... I think FG is best for her (and probably Xtina too?) All the signs are pointing there. She looks amazing with short hair. She also has more of an FG pear shape than a TR who tends to gain weight evenly on the body. Rectangular torso with pear weight distribution is pretty common for FG. She also seems to have a more spunky vibe than TR. For TR energy, think Gain (ie Paradise Lost) or Chungha (ie Snapping)

[kibbekpopcompendium]

What do you think about tyla ? TR or SG or FG

Tyla is a Theatrical romantic in my opinion. I'll start by saying I don't think a SG/FG would have this sort of image/aesthetic, it's very TR, and it suits her perfectly. She looks great in gowns, embellishments, long hair, overall I don't see the animated, playful gamine vibe, more of the alluring/luxurious TR vibe.

Look at the curve of her shoulders, (last pic) to me it's the epitome of a yin/TR type of shoulder line: small and rounded. Her facial features also seem pure yin without the juxtaposition of a gamine. I think if she had actual yang juxtaposition it would jump out in some way but she just seems YIN with a bit of sharpness. It's a fine line between SG and TR, but for me people like Tyla show there are noticeable differences! When she's styled for a more gamine look, it just feels off:

[kibbekpopcompendium]

Typing Kep1er

Both Kep1er and LOONA got votes, so I will make posts for each of them! Kep1er is first.

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~Current Members~

Yujin

I have considered FG for Yujin because she has a baby face. I always noticed the elongation and sharp yang in her body. But looking closer, I don’t see gamine-ness, in fact, I think she’s a Dramatic. Her styling and vibe sort of reflects this. Head to toe, she’s sharp and elongated, and looks great in slicked ponytails and stuff fabrics.

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Xiaoting

The consensus for Xiaoting has always been Flamboyant Natural, and I agree! Not much to say other than that she embodies FN, particularly the new description for it 'Nonchalant Showstopper'.

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Chaehyun

I have long believed in Romantic for Chaehyun, and… after further analysis… I was right! She is pure softness, pure yin. And her style is so on point with respect to pure R recommendations. To me she epitomizes R energy for the current gen of idols.

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Dayeon

Dayeon looks rather dainty with delicate facial features. She has a more curvy build (not super visible in these pictures but her waist line appears in curves not rectangular). I think Theatrical Romantic is most ideal for her. She looks great with long hair, ornate detailing, ruffling. She’s a good example of someone who must accommodate for narrow (TR) not petite (SG) in a Kibbe sense.

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Hikaru

I think there is a clear yang presence in Hilary’s body type. She looks naturally athletic. I don’t see Kibbe petite in her (she’s obviously short, but looking at her width is more apparent). Soft Natural is my choice. I also think her facial features are very SN and her personal style falls into the free, boho, slightly tomboy vibe of a natural.

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Bahiyyih

Flamboyant Natural. Bahiyyih’s body type reminds me a bit of Lisa from Blackpink. Very long limbs, overall looks super tall. I like her in slightly relaxed, laid-back outfits and long voluminous hair.

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~Former members~

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Mashiro

She was quite difficult for me to pin down. I ended up looking at all the outfits that, to me, are most flattering on her, and from there I concluded: Soft Natural. Specifically a gaminish SN. She obviously looks ingenue and it could be argued, shows juxtaposition, but I don’t see that particular gamine flavour. I like her in unfussy, but cute outfits, with a bit of volume/openness.

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Youngeun

Another former member who was an enigma to me at first. Head to toe, I would say she screams yang: facial features, bone structure, all very linear. She looks shockingly tall despite being 5’2! Frankly, she can emphasize vertical and wear things that I don't think a short type would look great in. I considered FN, SN, DC, FG, D... I think DC is plausible, but I genuinely cannot find pictures of her in C-family styling so I'm not really sure, and besides, I don't get that vibe from her. I don't get a gamine vibe either... call me crazy but FN followed by D. mayyyybe a leggy/unconventional SN.

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Yeseo

Yeseo has a very similar body type to Dayeon. Overall, roundness yet narrow. And her facial features are very yin, princess-like, dreamy. She's still young so I'm not 100% on her, but I would say Theatrical Romantic.

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Kep1er's current line up, interestingly, has no gamines or classics. There's 1 D, 2 FN, 1 SN, 1 TR and 1 R.

[kibbekpopcompendium]

Hello. In one of her recent performances (201224) Wonyoung actually looks more of a Soft Dramatic than a pure Dramatic type. I'm not one to mention weight, but it's possible that her being very slim makes her seem more D than SD. What do you think?

Hi! I have actually been considering this as well. Wonyoung has been typed as a D in the past (by myself & others) but she's young--even now she's only 20, and a lot of groups don't allow typing until you're around 25 because most people still grow/develop into their bodies in their early 20s. + It can be difficult to type idols who have been very skinny. But I took another glimpse at Wony, and I'm slowly edging more onto the side of 'team SD' for her.

Yin, which is the SD undercurrent, recedes. It looks smaller and softer while yang 'projects'. Wonyoung has always benefitted from her outfits accommodating softness and roundness as opposed to lots of harsh lines.

So, yeah, she's only 20, but as of now, I think she looks her best when tapping into SD style :)

[kibbekpopcompendium]

re: hair

hair is part of our appearance and kibbe does give hair recommendations for each type id. however, kibbe enthusiasts disagree on the level of importance that should be placed on hairstyle.

*I'll mention male and female examples, although, most of the discourse is factored more with (stereotypically) women's hairstyles. but it's all pretty much the same. long/short hair.

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Romantic family

for Rs and TRs, short, soft, curled hairstyles are recommended, although longer hair that goes past the shoulders is also good if it retains a curly shape. short types are generally told to have short hair because long hair can look bogged down/too heavy. MY VERDICT: R fam definitely benefits from hair that has, at the very least, been lifted with a bit of wave or curl! but I'd say hair length is pretty irrelevant, Rs and TRs can look good with hair that goes past the shoulders (maybe not waist length?) [jiwon/fromis_9, kun/wayv]

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Gamine family

gamines are explicitly recommended short hair, no longer than shoulders length. gamine recs are made for hair that is short or at least out of the way, for example, high necklines and small details. gamine 'essence' is also chic, modern, and slightly androgynous. kibbe does allow longer hair that is funky, loud and/or shaped in an interesting way. MY VERDICT: not everyone likes short hair. very few gamine female idols wear short hair on the regular. long hair can be styled (Ariana grande is good at keeping her hair out of her face to fit her gamine outfits) and I find that 'quirky' hairstyles like Seulgi's choppy bangs from 2018 create the same gamine vibe that short hair has. [nayeon/twice, eric/the boyz]

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Classic family

classics don't have hardline recommendations aside from hairstyles that look balanced and moderate. they can be any length, but are usually middle-parted, with a slight curl. MY VERDICT: really, with k-pop hair styling, I don't think classics have much to worry about. outside of crazy hair (think vintage 2ne1) I pretty much never see hair that looks disharmonious on them. [miyeon/idle, sungchan/riize]

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Natural family

natural hair, like clothing recs, is encouraged to be tousled, fresh, and layered. flamboyant naturals are recommended long, thick, lion's mane like hair. MY VERDICT: naturals can rock a lot of styles, especially naturals that look moderate. even short/straight hair looks good on a lot of naturals, like Jeongyeon from TWICE. although a lot of soft naturals in particular just get that extra 'oomph' from wavy hair as opposed to having having pin-straight hair. [ningning/aespa, Bangchan/stray kids]

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Dramatic family

dramatic family recs are divergent between pure Ds and SDs. pure dramatics are recommended to have straight or geometrically-arranged hair, any length, while soft dramatics are recommended to have hair that is shaped, 'big' and glamorous, like a blowout style. MY VERDICT: k-pop idols pretty unanimously have straight hair that is suitable for dramatic recs and with styling, can achieve a similar style to soft dramatic recs. [yeji/ITZY, zuho/sf9]

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To show a broader scope, I have some examples! Long and short hair, male and female.

Top to bottom for families they are:

[Kun/NCT (pure R), Taemin/SHINee (TR)... Gain/Brown eyed girls (R), Eunha/VIVIZ (TR)]

Gamines: [Xiumin/EXO (FG), Felix/Stray kids (SG)... Choa/AOA (SG), Jennie/Blackpink (FG)]

Classics: [Eric Nam (SC), Seonghwa/Ateez (pure C)... Miya/GWSN (DC), Minju/former IZ*ONE (SC)]

Naturals: [JB/Got7 (SN), Junji/Onlyoneof (SN)... Jeongyeon/TWICE (FN), Jihyo/TWICE (SN)]

Dramatics: [Zuho/SF9, Changmin/TVXQ... Bae/NMIXX, Nana/After School]

Soft Dramatics: [Chanyeol/EXO, Rowoon/SF9... Yoona/SNSD, Tzuyu/TWICE]

^-^ that is all for now, thanks!

[goldennika]

hey nika! have you seen this video of txt's facial essence archetypes? the video says that it's apparently based on the kibbe archetypes 🤔 i was wondering if you're familiar with facial archetypes too and your thoughts on them!

Ooh I have not seen this yet but I’m excited to watch it!! Thank you for sharing ❤️

I’m familiar with essences in a Kibbe context although I’ve not dabbled into it as much compared to the rest of the Kibbe system. There are other styling systems that tackle essence too! Although I usually stick to Kibbe and seasonal color analysis for the pieces I post :)

Will give my thoughts on the vid after I’ve watched it 🫶

[youremyheaven]

Theatrical Romantic Fashion Moments & Inspo ✨💖👗💃🏼

Haifa Wehbe is not a verified TR but imo she is a TR and dresses like one all the time so I included her. Rihanna is an SD (former TR) but that Swarovski gown is super TRcore esp with the makeup so I included it. The random makeup looks in between are ones I found on Pinterest and I have no idea whether or not those girls are TR but those lewks are what Kibbe recommends in his book for TR women (glossy lips, smokey eyes, lots of highlighter, pearlescent eyeshadow). The nails are all very iridescent/shiny looking and reminded me of TR glamour hence why they were included.

[youremyheaven]

Dramatic Essence & Makeup

Over the years, I have come to realise that those who have Dramatic essence kind of need to wear makeup to highlight or emphasize it. They look a bit plain or washed out when they don't try to emphasize their Dramatic essence. People who have Natural essence need to downplay their makeup so that their features aren't overpowered by it.

Angelina Jolie is an interesting example. I believe she has both Natural & Dramatic essences. A lot of people think Natural= plain, average looking or boring and Dramatic= exotic striking beauty but this isn't true

If you look at these pictures its obvious that Angelina looks best with minimal makeup as wearing bold makeup seems to exaggerate her already exaggerated features further. Natural essence manifests in many ways and this is one example.

Karina from aespa has Romantic, Dramatic, Ethereal essence and when she does not wear makeup to emphasize it (eyeliner, lipstick etc) she looks plain and washed out

this is one of my fav pictures of her. look at her striking her features are. compare them to pictures of her where she's wearing no makeup or little makeup. again im not implying that she's wearing "heavy makeup" here or that people with Dramatic essence need to. its not about heavy or light but about enhancing your features and making them stand out.

Karina's MUA probably only does these plain makeup looks on her to prevent her from standing out too much or stealing the spotlight from the other members. Jennie's MUA also did this.

just compare these lewks and see how differently her features come across

people with a Dramatic essence (and without any Natural essence especially) can come across as bold and intimidating which is probably why their MUAs try to downplay it with minimal makeup but this also means their striking features are hidden in plainsight (pun intended lmao)

the Dramatic challenge is choosing between being perceived as a cold intimidating person or looking kind of dull and washed out :/