I’m Albanian Muslim myself, and while I’m “technically” white (to Americans) I related to Joe a lot. And Nicky. People from the Mediterranean often are ignored, or horribly stereotyped in fandom. Joe and Nicky ARENT but people in this fandom are ruining that. Joe is turned into a religious renaissance man who has no flaws, and Nicky is often portrayed as some idiot. It demonstrates a huge lack of knowledge or care in either character, and then they also go and obsess over position. It’s ridiculous.
But I can’t say anything without having people hurl accusations of racism to me because, to them, I’m white. Doesn’t matter that I’m Muslim. Doesn’t matter that I am seen as “less” because of where I am in Europe. The American/British/Canadian/Australian view of race is that I am as white as they are, and therefore my ethnicity doesn’t matter. An American woman knows more about Mediterranean identity (because joe IS from the Mediterranean) than I, somehow who can literally see the Mediterranean from my house does.
I’m sorry for ranting at you, and you don’t have to publish this. But you seem like you’re thinking about this stuff, and not just deciding that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is racist. The whole fandom is making me not want to create anything, and I LOVE these characters.
Hi anon! So I had to think about this one because it IS a bit of a thorny subject isn’t it? And don’t feel bad for ranting! Sometimes the healthiest thing you can do is vent your frustrations, and I’m very honored that you’ve chosen me to rant to! XD
So, diving into the heart of the matter... I highly recommend reading what @lucyclairedelune (here and here) and @youneedasoultraveller (here and here) have posted on the issues of Anglo-centrism in fandom. They run amazing blogs and I definitely recommend going to them with any questions that you have too!
Honestly though, I think the worst problems we’ve faced in this extremely volatile fandom in the last few months stems from the USAmerica-centric mindset that’s literally all about black vs. white, and allows for very little nuance. The issues in Europe are not the issues of America, which are not the issues in Africa, and so on, and it’s extremely insulting to bunch them all together and slap the same label on every problem.
Are there problems with racism in fandom? Yes. Is the issue top/bottom sex positions of an interracial mlm couple? Mmmmm, yeah I don’t know about that one. Seems to me like a more nuanced approach is needed.
Because you’re right, Joe and Nicky AREN’T stereotyped at all. They’re beautiful, diverse characters in a cast filled with other beautiful, diverse characters, and I hate to think that people are losing the love they felt for The Old Guard because of nonsense like the top/bottom content gap statistics. Especially when I don’t think the OPs of the “statistics” said anything compelling by publishing their “findings.”
Honestly, my most earnest wish for you would be to block the people who make you uncomfortable and focus on what drew you to this fandom in the first place. (Charlize Theron’s arms for me, thank you XD) Fandom should be fun and interesting and shouldn’t make you want to bang your head against a wall day after day. I hope you’ll find the motivation to create, and I hope you’ll DM me when you do so I can promote you on my blog and cheer you on!















