#minnesang

[illustratus]

Herr Walther von Mezze, Codex Manesse

[kareenvorbarra]

Hie bevorn do wir kynder waren - Hanna Marti

Song by Meister Alexander (der wilde Alexander), 13th century Minnesänger

[shotofstress]

Could someone give me some names of musicians, singers and bands (both domestic and foreign) who were listened to in the Bundesrepublik Deutschland/Federal Republic of Germany between 1950 and 1986? Romantic songs too! I am writing a story and would like to include music (and even radio stations) from that period, and also learn a bit about the history of music at that time in both the Federal Republic and the Deutsche Demokratische Republik/German Democratic Republic.

I think it would be a great addition to the text and also a good way to learn a little. I tried to search on my own, but not knowing German really prevented me from learning. And I mainly found pages about the science of radio waves (not even about the apparatus itself) and not what I'm interested in.

Which philosophers and scientists were also being read during those periods?

Any information about the legend of Tannhäuser pre 1800s is also welcome.

Man, I'm asking for the most niche people about things that aren't relevant to the fic, but that I want to include for reasons.

[fayet]

So I raised a falcon For a little over a year And when I had him tamed I wanted to keep him for myself, And I adorned his feathers with gold. But he rose up high into the air And he left for a different place. Ever since I have seen him fly And on his feet were bows of silk And red with gold were his feathers. May god bring those together Who wish to be so loved! Der Kürenberger: Ich zoch mir einen valken (approx. 1160 in Germany in Middle High German, transl. by Fayet)

[lesewut]

Learning to serve for love:

[tarisbackyard]

"Minnewappen [courtly love arms] of master Heinrich Frauenlob [Henry Womenpraise], who didn't just get rid of his actual name - Marquis of Meißen - but also his lion arms in favour of a lady's head." - Heraldik, Ottfried Neubecker, 1977

Fucking siiiiiiiiiiiimp.

[flemmkuchen]

Neidhart von Reuental (Her Nîthart)

one of the most famous lyricists and Minnesänger of the high middle ages

Codex Manesse, c. 1300

[flowercrown-bard]

I've had a thought that I'm not going to write, but I still want to share: Immortal!Jaskier goes to a modern first year medieval music history lecture to hear the prof teach about him (because he’s a vain bastard). Unfortunately the prof has the audacity to claim that there were no women working as bards during that time period. Jaskier refuses to let Priscilla and Essi’s memories be disrespected like that and corrects the professor. Loudly.

Yes!!! I love that so much!! The professor insists that the sources all say the singers were exclusively male and after an hours long argument Jaskier realises that for once he won't get far with dramatic declarations. So he's on for the long game. He collects all of the sources the prof mentions and at the end of the semester he hands in an incredibly detailed essay about why the professor is wrong and how his beloved friends Essi and Pris were amongst the most renown and brilliant bards of their time.

Also, I actually had a couple of lectures about (German) minstrels and here's some stuff I learned that I think Jaskier would have interesting reactions to:

1. Minstrels mercilessly roasting each other

My professor read us a song that one minstrel wrote about their rival and it went a little something like this:

"[name of rival] is the best there is!

You can ask anyone, I insist!

Ask cousins and brothere

and sisters and mothers

- as long as you make sure they are all /his/ relatives."

(implying that his relatives' statements would be meaningless bc they are obligated to lie and say that the minstrel is good even if he's actually terrible.) idk it was funnier in the original. My point is that is totally something Jaskier would have written about Valdo Marx

2. Profanities

Oh boy, medieval stories and songs were full of them. There is a story "Das Nonnenturnier" (the nuns' tournament) about a dick that somehow got detached from the guy it belongs to and wandered around aimlessly until it was found by some nuns and... Uh. Yeah. You can imagine the rest. And that sounds like something Jaskier would write about the temple of Melitele just to rile up Nenneke.

And then there was a song for a Fastnachtspiel (yeah no I have no idea how to translate that) sung by a woman that went something like this:

"I have a big chest,

two round ass cheeks

And a quiver.

An arrow thrusts in

And puts a baby there. "

I don't remember the rest but that part was very memorable. And it's about as sophisticated as Jaskier's "You think you're safe". The original German text uses the word "Arschebacken" and that's just delightful

3. "Das Minneparadox"

(Minne was the german word for the form of courtly love that was sung about) basically, the singer loves the lady because she's so virtuous. But! She mustn't ever give her love in return, for if she does, she immediately loses all virtue and if that happened the singer wouldn't be in love with her anymore. So the singer is forced to suffer the lady's cruelty for not feeling as he wants her to despite the fact that he's singing songs her her (so... minstrels were Nice Guys I guess?) and the lady has to suffer having a guy sing about her all the time despite her not liking him (but then again, she does gain virtue by his praises somehow so it's useful to her that he sings of her) Now I can imagine that Jaskier would hear of that concept and be totally enraged because charming people with his songs and making them fall in love with him with his poetry is one of his proudest achievement. Also Jaskier, who is not a womanizer but someone who falls a little in love with everyone he meets, would be so mad at people suggesting that women would lose their value by wanting to have sex