#ml speculation

[familyagrestefanblog]

Can we acknowledge that Adrien not only casually transformed into Chat Noir in front of the New York heros,

But also in direct view of all the civilians and cameras looking in this very attention-drawing direction

AND in front of this devil spawn of a villain??

We are VERY nonchalant but serious about this, and we're given off the vibes that calling Ladybug is just not an option here? Hell, Adrien literally just said that something is more important than telling Marinette that he loves her while also saying that he can only do so IF they get through this. Which sounds like everybody here expects the Ladybug-plot-armour to not apply this time. So she wont be here. That's what the scene is saying.

Which I guess actually checks out. Ladybug has made it very clear that nothing could ever justify her knowing who Chat Noir is, so whatever hell he's going through he has to do it alone because in her leadership, she's owed that the boy underneath Chat's mask doesn't exist and not a millisecond should be expected of her to take him into consideration. By all means, this does check out. Its why the s5 finale happened the way it did.

So, what? Is this a continuation of that Ladynoir murdering writing?

Is this a situation where a dimension-jumping villain showed up through the Supreme's influence (set up in this very special) and said villain also knows who Chat Noir is (because multiverse) and just fucking announced that? So Ladybug cant be called and she will instead fight with the others in Paris next special while Chat's in New York? Is the only reason why Ladybug wont give him hell for having gone to New York to help there without telling her that she just left for Tokyo without telling him either?

Is that what's gonna happen here? Cause no way Maribug wont be in the next special, but I can see it happening that the next special will be split in two halves, Chat in New York and Ladybug and team in Paris.

Cause considering that this is pre-s6 and everyone still wears their old suits, is the next special where they get the new hero designs? That actually would make sense. And I can see it happening that Ladynoir are gonna get their suits separately because Ladynoir is just dead in the water now.

But that still doesnt solve the situation that everybody in New York will know who Chat Noir is. So what? Are we gonna get an incident pre-s6 where Chat Noir's random memory erasing powers were already brought up? Will the amount of people he has to mind-wipe be so big that inexperienced with said power he had to nuke his own memories, too, and all everyone remembers is having fought this villain off?

Why is this short scene giving off so many weird vibes of this beind dead serious and Ladybug cant be called while also raising the question of why on EARTH we are this casual about Adrien transforming in front of whole New York AND this monster of a villain?

What is happening here and why does it feel like a situation that will absolutely not last in people's memories?

[muzzable]

So here's my current understanding/hypothesis:

Tomoe, a woman who values her lineage and perfection, has really high standards for whoever will contribute to her family line by fathering a daughter for her.

Eventually, she meets a guy that seems adequate, and they have a daughter together. But something happens to the father—maybe he died, or maybe he left—symbolized by the leafless bonsai tree when she's discussing men. Either way, Tomoe's perfectionism leads her to write off the whole relationship, and the daughter it led to, as a failure because of this.

(It could potentially be the cause of her high standards for romantic relationships, or just reinforce in her mind that nobody will be good enough.)

So then Gabriel comes in with "Just use dark magic to will the perfect child into existence. It worked for me!" And since it's a solution that doesn't require a relationship, and doesn't include mixing her lineage with anyone else, she takes him up on it.

So, using the Peacock Miraculous, Tomoe creates a daughter. She has no father; the only DNA she's made with is her mother's. What more could she have ever wanted than a child just like her? No surprises, surely her daughter will do whatever she wants because she'll be the exact same sort of person, and want the same things. Tomoe gives her a name meaning "mirror" because whenever she looks at her, she just sees herself staring back at her.

How fitting then, that the price to create this child was her eyesight.

Meanwhile, her elder daughter, having been old enough to understand the rejection, develops mother issues. She tries changing the relationship multiple times. Would things work with this mother? What if I was a different person? How about this mom instead? Maybe the separate mothers are all related to The Kingdom, maybe they're just people she's conned, but it's not fulfilling enough for her. Especially not when she can see her mother giving all her attention to her other daughter—her favorite.

Of course, it's because Tomoe keeps tight control over every part of Kagami's life, but all Lila sees is Tomoe actually caring what happens to Kagami, but not Lila. She didn't care to tell Kagami she has a sister, or invite Lila to the Diamond Dance, or anything.

So Lila looks at her life. No matter who she's with, no matter who she even is, she's not happy. She's run out of solutions on a human scale. And she decides the only way to get that feeling is to take a miracle for herself.

[fynnlink]

A Fairy Good Night Spoilers!

ADHD Marinette 2026!!!

Make it Canon!

[ladyofthenoodle]

what should the new episode name convention be for season 6

names of the heroes on the team now that they’re back

every episode is named after one of adrien’s problems

the name is whatever identity lila assumes that episode

the name is whatever mom lila is living with that episode

can we please just go back to akuma names i’m begging

other (leave in the tags)

Voting ended onJul 4, 2023

[gale-gentlepenguin]

You know I just thought of something. If Marinette found out Adrien was Chat noir right now, THAT s*** would absolutely obliterate her.

Not because she would hate it, but because the guilt at that point would be ASTRONOMICAL.

I think she would have a breakdown, Imagine all the crap she is already hiding from him. That his dad was monarch, that he is a sentimonster, that she is Ladybug.

Now add on the fact that SHE is Ladybug, Hiding all of this not just from her boyfriend but her crime fighting partner, and that the cataclysm is partially the reason that Gabriel was dying and desperate to go so far with that Ring plan.

Imagine knowing Adrien as Chat noir was locked away and mentally suffering also from the guilt of NOT stopping Monarch.

That s*** would have Marinette spiraling.

[mamayura]

Revelator analysis: Marinette remembering the Umbrella scene incorrectly

You know what I find really interesting about the interview scene in "Revelator" where Adrinette retells how they met? Marinette is actually getting a few details wrong.

Mind you, no deal breakers. She got all the emotional beats down accurately. And I will only truly take this as canon anyway when the French original has her misremember things the same way. But for now, it's really interesting that MARINETTE is the one who gets a couple of details wrong about the moment she fell SO in love with Adrien, while Adrien himself is out here making no such mistake in the whole interview:

This is correct. Simple as that.

This one... is on very thin ice. In reality, Marinette had just left the building and noticed it was raining when Adrien started talking to her. Yes, she was ready to wait until the rain stopped, but she never truly got to the waiting part:

But, by all means, if this were only this detail, I wouldnt make this post right now. Even if, factually, she didnt wait, she just noticed it was raining and thought she had to wait.

But let's get back to this later because there is another layer to this that was the catalyst for me writing this. But for now, moving on:

This is correct again. Adrien, in fact, had an umbrella.

But here is the thing:

This is... straight up wrong. Objectively. What Marinette reacted negatively to was Adrien trying to be friendly and saying "Hi" to her:

He only offered his umbrella at the end, so Marinette claiming so confidently in "Revelator" that she at first turned down the umbrella is false. Adrien opened it for himself because he was the one standing in the rain for a bit while explaining his perspective:

I sure don't see any umbrellas being turned down here, Marinette. So what exactly are you remembering? Just saying.

From this point onwards, the Adrinette interview is accurate again because 1) it's about the emotional core of it, and 2) well, Adrien is then talking the most because it's about him and Marinette is mostly just adding to it. So, yeah...

Look, I don't wanna say that this is some deep betrayal of love and proof that Marinette's love for Adrien isnt real. Of course not. And again, there is still the chance that the line in question is right in the French original (though, I do gotta say, I doubt it because that would change the natural flow of the conversation)

I just find it interesting that the thing about THE Umbrella scene that Marinette gets wrong is the UMBRELLA itself and how and when it was extended to her.

Cause, well... This is not a documentary. Marinette is not a real life person who can mix some things up without it meaning anything. She's the main character and the main narrative tool of the story.

This is the moment SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH ADRIEN. Pretty much 80% of what she does in this show goes back to this moment. In story-telling practice, yes, her being the one who recalls that moment incorrectly should mean something.

Bad faith reading: it's a major indicator that Marinette is actually not as invested in Adrien and their relationship anymore as she was once upon a time. Her needs and desires have changed and that's causing problems now.

Good faith reading (and I genuinely mean good faith reading. Fucking BEST faith reading, in my opinion):

The details that Marinette gets wrong about the Umbrella scene actually correspond with the ending of "Strike Back" where Marinette's lightning moment happened with Chat Noir:

Cause if you combine Marinette's memories of the Umbrella scene with the Strike Back scene, then, yes, Marinette WOULD remember standing way longer in the RAIN before Adrien eventually came to her:

Not because that's how it factually happened in "Origins", but because she was alone in the rain for a solid bit before Chat Noir arrived in "Strike Back".

But the most important thing is that, if you combine the two lightning scenes, this objectively incorrect line actually checks out again:

Because the moment Marinette fell in love with Chat Noir was about him having extended his hand several times but her having pushed him away and held at arms length:

Marinette in the Umbrella scene didnt turn down Adrien's umbrella. Not only because that simply didnt happen, but also because Adrien only had the opportunity to offer it ONCE which she then immediately took. Chat Noir, on the other hand (is that a pun?), did offer the gesture she then fell in love with more than once, which she initially turned down, but eventually accepted.

So, again, worst faith reading: we were supposed to pick up on Marinette remembering the iconic Umbrella scene incorrectly which is supposed to subtly tell us that life has changed Marinette's feelings for Adrien for the worse because she's simply not the girl she was a year ago and the love she once wanted doesnt fit her needs anymore, so it's fading and getting drowned out.

Best faith reading: It's a subtle hint that the love she once wanted doesnt really fit her needs anymore, but the one that does more and more now is Chat Noir who, as we all know, is Adrien Agreste.

Though, no matter which one it is, one truth remains: Marinette remembered the UMBRELLA SCENE wrong and that means something.

[ilikekidsshows]

There's currently an alleged leaked script to Secret Protocal in a ML Salt community, and alot of people have a hard time believing its real, specifically because of how much of an asshole Ladybug openly is. Legit one of the things she says to Chat Noir is "I've endured more pain than Adrien Agreste." Which... Holy Bojack. Im 50/50 because there is content in the scripts that I can see them pulling, but the way Ladybug is acting comes across like a salt fic. Though I have a feeling that the dialogue would change in the final product.

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I’ve seen those leaks and I have mixed thoughts.

Like, the writers are absolutely 100% convinced that Marinette is the one suffering the most in this situation, that’s why we focus on how bad she’s feeling all the time. I’m just not sure if they’d have her character go full mask-off with how self-centered she is in her self-caused suffering.

Another angle is that Adrien is waaaaayyyy too active in those leaks for it to be real. These writers would not allow Cat Noir to turn on Ladybug and attack her. That’s actual agency and having opinions that contradict Ladybug!

The only way I see this as an actual real script draft is if they’re writing a disposable timeline, since Miraculous characters always go way off the rails with immoral behavior when the writers know it’s all going to be erased.

Or, this is a wilder theory, they’re planning to give Cat Noir an actual, honest-to-god villain arc, to distract us from how immoral Ladybug has been acting all season and make him out to be the bad guy in the situation.

Remember, I’ve noticed this before: Adrien is the only character in Miraculous whose actions have had negative consequences he’s had to repent for.

Another theory: it's all fake in-episode and they stage a team breakup.

[pandaofsecrets]

https://x.com/ladynoirose/status/1988978231836570065?s=20

Why not trying to say this post is wrong but in your opinion if Adrinette were to have kids who would you say will be the more strict parent.

Not sure why this person is acting like this is a new development? It's been a thing since way back in Santa Claws, when some kids were being mean to Santa and Adrien told them to knock it off.

Then again, the show is already almost 150 episodes and 50 hours long, so people being hazy on the details is to be expected. Taking notes is pretty much the only way you're going to actually keep track of what happened when.

Anyway, Adrien seems to me like he would have a very healthy parenting style, providing the kids with affection and understanding as well as structure. He would be fun to be around, but would also slam the breaks when he thinks the kids are doing something wrong. Crucially, he would also be very upfront with the kiddos about what they've done wrong and why.

Marinette, on the other hand, would be all over the goddamn place. Consistency is not Marinette's strong suit. To yoink a line from this video on the show's problems, Marinette very much lives life by the seat of her pants; her parenting would not be any different. She would give affection, but only so long as she's in a good mood. As for enforcing limits, we've seen from what she's like with Manon that she's kind of a pushover, and she's also been raised by very coddling parents. I don't see her doing anything to discipline her children directly, because that would be Mean™. Instead, I see her dealing with her children the way she solves most of her problems, by going behind their backs. I very much see her as the type of parent who would snoop through her kid's phone or diary. She would be much like Gabriel, ping-ponging between being too negligent and too overbearing, only unlike Gabriel, who gave Adrien no say, Marinette would try and make sure her children don't know there was even a say to be had.