"The distinction between carceral state and nation state may be itself overly semantic. As Micol Seigel argues, for example, "Police and state are differentiated by degree: police are the human-scale expression of the state." 'Criminal justice," Lawrence Friedman adds, "is, literally, state power." Anthropologist James Ferguson points to the ways that the state is more a "way of tying together, multiplying, and coordinating power relations, a kind of knotting or congealing of power." Similarly, Stuart Hall and others, building upon Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, describe the state "not so much an entity, or even a particular complex of institutions, so much as it is a particular site or level of the social formation." As critical geographer Brett Story summarizes, the carceral state can be "conceived less as a thing and more as an organizer." See Micol Seigel, Violence Work, 9; Lawrence Friedman, Crime and Punishment in American History, quoted in Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Golden Gulag, 174; James Ferguson, The Anti-Politics Machine, quoted in Seigel, Violence Work, 18; Stuart Hall, Policing the Crisis, quoted in Brett Story, Prison Land, 16."
- Garrett Felber, Those Who Know Don't Say: The Nation of Islam, the Black Freedom Movement, and the Carceral State. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: The University of North Carolina Press, 2020) footnote 11, p. 195.