#natlan theory

[the-skull-breaker]

OK HEAR ME OUT

I don't have any evidence but it would be cool if these two would be thematically opposites, what do you guys think ?

[itzoliveink]

I haven’t had the chance to talk about this so it’s now or never. I am a definite believer of Ajaw being CL-10 but I don’t really have much concrete proof (at least I think) as most of it is based on how I view Ajaw and the behaviors I observed.

First thing that threw me instantly off the idea that Ajaw is 04 is merely 02’s comment on 04 being old and decrepit. Yes, disdainful and decadent are both traits that Ajaw has but at the same time I fear most of the lord have these two traits. Ajaw constantly boosts about being almighty and powerful, and sure CL-02 could be just making a jab at 04, but being described as old and decrepit isn’t every almighty and powerful, you know?

Secondly CL-10’s behavior and title. Ajaw is fairly foolish if I had to say so myself, his greed is genuinely unmatched and his pride/ego is unshakable. With how CL-10 got sealed up, aka via getting fooled by some humans with a fake jade, it seems to me very in theme of Ajaw’s over all personality.

As for his title, I have a theory that I may discuss more in depth in another post when I get the chance, but I think the titles genuinely mean something to the lords. The best example of this is Ixlel (Ink goes one day without mentioning her pooks? Challenge failed) HEAR ME OUT. Ixlel is known as the Chronicler of the End times and if I do say so myself that’s a pretty important part of her character. She literally experienced the end times of dragons first hand and if I had to guess she saw them hence why she fled to Och-Kan in order to survive. Back to Ajaw, he suffered INTENSE isolation. Sealed up in god knows where with little hope of ever meeting any living being again, yeah pretty isolated. Now let’s compare both of the titles:

I’m sure someone can make an arguable point for 04’s title (please someone do cause I genuinely can’t think of anything) but It is more clear to me with 10’s. “Undying Wings of Lofty Isolation” in other words “can’t die dragon of high/resilient/noble/other synonyms for lofty Isolation”. We sure know as hell that Ajaw isn’t dying anytime soon and I’m bringing back the fact that Ajaw was definitely isolated for an unknown period of time.

Anyway yap time over, in summary this is more or less why I believe Ajaw is 10 and not 04. If someone wants to tell me more or argue (not aggressive way, I love seeing other peoples povs) let me know ❤️

[radaedan]

Okay so Ronova's reaction in Natlan's AQ has always bugged me.

[A Fuel Named "Fate]

Since it kinda contradicts the lore in Mavuika's signature weapon.

Before the fire-stealing sage could speak, the god who pronounced death [Ronova] came forth without warning and showed the human Archon the arc of fate. It was a terrifying vision beyond human ken, a future with even less hope than draconic tyranny.

- "A Thousand Blazing Suns"

It was Ronova who gave the future visions to Lanque. Then why the hell she was so surprised by Xbalanque’s 'greediness'? Like, if she gave him future visions, then surely she already foresaw that?

And also, how the hell could she give the future visions in the first place? Isn't that Istaroth's domain? Say that Istaroth helped her, then it wasn't really her secret rebellion anymore.

Unless...

The vision we saw in the AQ... and the event in the weapon... are both true...

Because they're parts of a samsara?

Listen; the vision in the AQ don't tell us whether Xbalanque already saw the future visions. It was about fighting the Abyss, and seeing Natlan's situation back then, you don't really need future visions to know that the Abyss was still a huge pain the ass.

It was after all the future Natlan's events had transpired-- Och-Kan's suffering and the fall of Ochkanatlan, Vanessa's tribe leaving Natlan, the endless battles, etc-- that the event in the claymore happened. Ronova was retelling the events that had happened in the previous cycle.

Maybe that's another reason why the part of the AQ where we get their conversation is named like that.

A fuel named "fate". Because Xbalanque really burned his friends' fates for the flames of the future... and mayhaps the entire samsara.

Okay I can't elaborate more. Enjoy this half-baked theory.

[aribluart]

After the trailer, it seems that that theory I thought was a nonsense bunch of things, could be actually true???

Some times ago I mentioned in a post a sorta theory of "Ajaw is CL-04". Based on the reaserch of the phlogistonlization of life, my thought was "Wouldn't it be funny if CL-04 tried a different approach to save the Dragon civilization and experimented with phlogiston to entirely change a body." In other words, similar to what Kukulkan have done, but done with a dragon own body: a new human body, but the mind and core is still of a dragon.

I thought is was a stupid theory. But then 5.8 trailer came. And Ineffa.

If a dragonlord's core is intact after millennia, wouldn't that be the proof that yes, the dragon civilization could be revived?

Though, if this theory is true, would that mean that Xiuhcoatl's plan, Kukulkan's plan, the all story of team Xbalanque, Och-kan fall into madness and desperation, all the betrayals, all their sufferings were for nothing?

Anyway, Natlan really is the nation of war and lore.

[eatitvirgil]

MY CAPITANO THEORY WAS RIGHT (kinda)

Ok so basically I made a theory a while ago that capitano was actually dead and that he was kept alive by the sacred flame and cryopreservation. And while my thought was right, my execution was not. (SPOILER AHEAD)

He was actually from K'haenriah and had the immortality curse

So turns out that listening to livestreams is ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I WAS LOWKEY KINDA RIGHT AND I HONESTLY SLAYED? DEVOURED EVEN?

tbh him being from k'haenriah was lowkey an easier explanation idk why i didnt think of it to begin with

[withered--s0uls]

I might cross post this as a proper post later but Hi Bennett Genshin enjoyers have some food

okay now I will go back to taking a bit of a break from everything

[foiazoli]

Current Genshin lore predictions people are making make me feel like I'm smoking crack even though my theories also seem perfectly logical. Why are we not paying attention to the significance of us literally replacing stars in the sky during the summer event???

Things we have been told so far about stars/the sky

the sky is fake

stars and constellations determine fate

fate cannot be outright defied, it must be tricked

We learned about the fake sky theory all the way back in like 1.1 with Scaramouche and Mona, and as the story has progressed it's been all but confirmed. Mona is also an astrologer, who is able to read people's fates by looking at "their" constellation. This practice gets a little wonky and off-balance when dealing with the traveler, Paimon, and Venti. The traveler isn't from Teyvat and thus doesn't have a constellation at all, Paimon is still a mystery, and Venti is an archon. When Mona tries to read his constellation, she doesn't see anything and then the wind starts blowing on her very harshly, suggesting Venti is actively trying to prevent her from looking more closely. Mona's predictions and readings when she can get them are otherwise perfectly accurate, and her voicelines about various Mondstadt characters ring perfectly true. Therefore, the stars and constellations really are able to tell people things about the fate of certain people.

Going back to the sky being fake, part of the justification for this other than it being said again by Dottore in the Sumeru archon quest, is the fan theory that Teyvat is upside-down/inside-out. Tighnari states that deep underground, Irminsul trees grow upside-down, and when progressing through the spiral abyss the deeper floors have stars above them, indicating that going down is actually going up. The Abyss order is frequently seen inverting things and being upside-down, when "abyss" is frequently seen as a thing that is deep down. So, if everything is inverted, a new sky has to be created for everyone underneath/inside in order to trick them into thinking they're still in the same place. Who would do such a thing? The general accepted answer is Celestia, given that they're the ones who set up everything else concerning the current state of humans archons and dragons.

Okay, so what? Celestia flipped everything and made a fake sky, but why would they do that? Why would they care? Celestia's motivations are still a little murky at this point in the game, but some of their actions have been explained as they wanted the planet of Teyvat to be hospitable to humans. That's why they stripped the dragon sovereigns of their power and gave it to the archons, whose job it is to nurture and help out humans. But what just happened in Fontaine? Focalors deceived Celestia in order to kill herself and destroy the position of the hydro archon, returning that power to the hydro sovereign dragon, Neuvillette. That's not only not what Celestia wanted to happen, it was a way to circumvent the prophecy that all of Fontaine would drown, killing the people and leaving the archon alone, crying to herself. And prophecies are fate! Focalors defied fate! It took her 500 years and tricking literally every single thinking being on the planet and trusting that simply living amongst Fontainians would convince Neuvillette to help save them, meaning it's a damn difficult thing to do, but still technically possible. (There's another theory that half the reason this worked is because Celestia is asleep but we're not getting into that right now)

So. Fate exists, and is tied to the positions of the stars, which are fake. Fate and prophecies are said to be immutable, but if you do unimaginable amounts of set-up, trickery, and rules-lawyering, you can get a different outcome. What if you could alter these fake stars, like we did in the Simulanka summer event? Every past summer event has foreshadowed something for the next patch cycle, and I think Natlan's archon quest is going to be about altering the stars in order to alter fate.

And from the Ignition teaser on youtube, we have "what our eyes see, ought to be our fate. But now, close your eyes and feel. For with our blood... we will forge our true fate." from Mauvika, who is probably going to be our Pyro archon. So. There will definitely be SOME kind of changing of fate, and I'm just connecting these two dots to predict the method. My prediction for how feelings will come into this is that we the traveler will again "power of friendship" our way into a power-up for the final deciding moment and no I'm not kidding. In Inazuma, we were getting our ass beat by Raiden until Yae showed up and enabled us to connect with the wills of the people of Inazuma, at which point we started doing better. In Sumeru, we got our asses beat by Scaramouche until Nahida tapped into the power of the akasha, which was feeding on the power of the people of Sumeru, and we finally won. The traveler has a history of "power of friendship"-ing their way through the most difficult fights is all I'm saying. As for where blood comes into it, I'm not sure yet. There is the blood-moon dynasty of Kaenri'ah, but considering Natlan is supposed to be the nation of war, it's also possibly just literal blood. we shall see.

I've seen several other theories about how the summer event could possibly be predicting the events of Natlan and I really like Ashikai's video "What Simulanka Tells Us About Natlan" on youtube but I've seen NOBODY talking about the stars so I had to get this out there.

[java-lava]

NATLAN SPOILER;

I bet ya that “sacred flame” is powered by the pyro gnosis and that’s why the archon setup is the way it is.

also the GASP I let out at finding out about the pyro archon from Katchina.

Natlan really is built different in every way compared to all the other nations