#olyvar frey

[sleazyjanet]

olyvar, roslin and perwyn frey, doomed by the narrative

[redwolf17]

TBH I'm a little uncomfortable with the implication that Olyvar R. had sex with Lollys, but I'm going to hope that she had the mental wherewithal to consent.

Lollys Stokeworth is intellectually disabled, but she’s canonically quite capable of expressing opinions and of coherent speech. Her level of capacity is somewhat vague, and she was probably a bit frightened of being forced to wed, but then, Olyvar R didn’t get a choice in the marriage either. Lollys is his wife, consummation is expected, and so it happened. Neither of them were thrilled, or traumatized.

If it makes you feel better, my head canon is that they only have sex for procreation, and Olyvar R has a discreet mistress to take care of his needs otherwise.

[rosaluxembae]

We know Catelyn/Lady Stoneheart is pretty indiscriminate to the extent of hanging a 13 year old for the crime of *checks notes* fighting against Stannis? but I wonder if it'd be any different with the Freys who were actively kept away from the Red Wedding: Perwyn, Alesander and especially Olyvar who was known to be devoted to Robb.

[seethemflying]

If you're still down for asoiaf asks, what's your favorite subplot, the subplot that took the longest to dawn on you, and the one that's grown on you the most?

This is a very minor subplot, but I need to know the identity of Gyles Rosby's mysterious ward, and what effect that will have on things going forward.

For most of the series, Gyles Rosby is the lord of Rosby, a town just north east of King's Landing. Gyles spends the majority of the books at court until AFFC, when he dies after a long illness. There is then a dispute over who should takeover his lands, as Gyles did not have any children. Falyse Stokeworth believes that she and her husband should be granted Rosby by the crown, but worries that an unnamed ward who has been recently living at Rosby will inherit instead. Cersei also comes up with a plan to disinherit the ward, and orders Pycelle to tell the ward that it was Gyles' last wish that all the Rosby lands go to Tommen.

However, this all gets forgotten. Falyse Stokeworth is given to Qyburn by Cersei, and she ends up dying due to his experiments. Cersei herself gets distracted by everything going on with the High Sparrow and there is no evidence Pycelle carried out her order, and in the Epilogue of ADWD, Kevan elects to not make a decision on the future of Rosby as they have more important things to talk about.

That probably means that, by the beginning of TWOW, Rosby is likely being ruled by Gyles Rosby's mysterious ward.

Now, there is only one other Rosby mentioned in the entirety of the ASOIAF saga: Bethany Rosby, sixth wife of Walder Frey. It is therefore likely that Bethany's children are in line to inherit Rosby, and one of them could probably be Gyles' ward. Bethany and Walder had five children together: Perwyn, Benfrey, Willamen, Olyvar, and Roslin. We know the ward is male, so that rules out Roslin (who is busy being married to Edmure Tully at this point, anyway). We also know that the ward was present in Rosby when Falyse Stokeworth tried to stop there in AFFC. That rules out Perwyn (who is at the siege of Riverrun in AFFC), Benfrey (who died in the Red Wedding in ASOS), and Willamen (who is a maester at the Citadel).

That just leaves Olyvar Frey.

And what is significant about Olyvar Frey?

Olyvar Frey was Robb Stark's squire, and was kept out of planning for the Red Wedding because he was so devoted to his master.

If Rosby is now being run by Olyvar Frey, there could be significant ramifications going forward, as Rosby provides most of King's Landing's food. If Rosby is run by a Stark loyalist, how are the Lannisters and Tyrells going to keep King's Landing fed if they end up facing a pro-Stark/Tully army? This becomes especially significant if you think the TWOW Prologue is going to see Edmure being busted out of jail, and some sort of Tully resurgence happening. If Olyvar is in control of Rosby, his connection to Edmure through his sister Roslin and his own devotion to Robb's memory might shift him into their camp, meaning that the Lannister/Tyrell alliance has a huge logistics problem in trying to keep King's Landing fed. It will only be made worse when the Tyrells are distracted by Euron in Oldtown and Aegon's invasion ramps up properly.

I am therefore really excited to see where this little subplot goes in TWOW.

[allovesthings]

Olyvar Frey is two years older than Robb ??? I thought he was Pod or Arya’s age...

He is one of the only good Frey in the story and I would love his point of view after the red wedding. He was still loyal to Robb personally even after his wedding to Jeyne. I want to know how that would feel to be essentially part of the family who murdered the king he was loyal to and who betrayed him in the worst way possible. I think I wouldn’t want anything to do with them (and if there is a Frey alive by the end of a song of ice and fire...which I’m starting to doubt, I want him to be lord of the twins).

[bundibird]

Good morning my loves

Here, have a Red Wedding canon divergence fic

[dwellordream]

Considering he likely participated in the Whispering Wood and Battle of the Camps, as well as Robb Stark’s whole campaign in the Westerlands, how competent and seasoned a warrior do you think Olyvar Frey would be by this point in the books, after all of that experience?

I think he’s probably competent enough?

[theladymeera]

From the Ashes, Chapter 3

Many meetings

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