EDIT: I have been informed in the replies that there actually is research being done into endogenic systems. I was not aware of this at the time of making this. It was mainly fueled by seeing one too many really NASTY posts that triggered us a bit into feeling the need to make this post, but as long as you are being respectful, differing opinions (or straight up quoting a bit and sourcing why I'm wrong) is fully welcome! If mature conversations can be had, I'd love to have them. If you're being an asshole though you're getting blocked idc what side you're on. And just to reiterate, WE DO NOT HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, but regardless, they do not deserve harassment. We have rewritten this post since I'm not personally comfortable with how hostile B ended up making this post, as well as to better clarify. The new post can be found here
This is the one and only syscourse post we're going to make, but I want to get my thoughts out there. I also want to preface this by saying we are a traumagenic system. We were formed because of trauma, some of which I have access to and some of which I don't.
We do not know enough about being a system to say whether or not endogenic systems are "real" or not. The medical community does not give two fucks about us, not to mention that trying to prove how systemhood develops in childhood is just the forbidden experiment rebranded.
The best current model we have for why DID develops is the THEORY of structural dissociation. Not the fact, not the truth, not the end all be all, the THEORY, and it really only applies to straight DID, it doesn't even fully encompass OSDD1. We know next to NOTHING about this disorder, and the general populace doesn't give enough shits to even pretend to try to learn about us. We are on our own. We are reliant on ourselves to figure this shit out, and the few doctors who care and recognize us for being what we are. We don't even know if trauma is the only way to be plural, because not being traumatized doesn't lend itself very well to you getting prescribed meds and staying a paying customer of the American health complex that the DSM was written to help further. We genuinely do not know if you can be born plural, or if you can develop it naturally without trauma, and if external people can intentionally cause systems, who's to say that someone can't do that for themselves?
This whole thing feels very reminiscent of the "good trans" vs "bad trans" or "good gay" vs "bad gay" that has been happening in the queer community, but just like there, infighting will always hurt all of us more than it will help any of us.
The greater mental health community thinks we're weird and wrong, that we're scary, that we're violent, diagnosed or not, traumagenic or not. Fighting each other about who has a valid system experience does NOTHING but sew further division. Being a "good system" that "does DID/OSDD right" is not going to save you from the people who don't believe systems even exist in the first place.
That's not even to say anything about the fact that the endo system you're harassing about "faking" COULD HAVE REALLY STRONG GATEKEEPERS AND NONE OF THE SYSTEM THAT IS KNOWN TO THE HOST KNOWS! That's honestly probably our situation, there's memories and emotions I know we have but that I just can't get to, I don't even know what they are, but I know there's something locked away. If your system did its job that well, you may genuinely think you have no trauma, and trying to force someone who thinks they don't have trauma to reconcile that they do and force them to remember is genuinely harmful and you should go fuck yourself if you do that shit.
You can choose to interact with whoever you want, you can curate your internet experience accordingly, by blocking people, filtering tags, etc., but if you make your entire personality being anti-endo, you are actively hurting the community you are apart of.
In conclusion, stop harassing people over shit the medical community can't even confirm or deny. The people who's entire jobs are to figure out the causes of mental illness don't give enough of a shit to figure this out, so why do we act like we know better? We dont.
That's why we are neutral on the subject, there is not enough factual, provable information out there, to definitively say what does or does not cause a system. Focus on your own healing, and less on other people's experiences of their own lives that ultimately don't impact you. If you are on either side of the debate however, and you harass people for ANY REASON, fuck off. Unkindly, fuck off. I do t care if you're anti-endo, pro-endo, neutral, or whatever, if you go into real people's inboxes to harrass them, you're a cunt and you need to go touch grass and relearn how to be a decent fucking human being. End rant.
We've been trying to figure out how to word this rant for a while, but if you are confused about any part of this feel free to quote the bit in question and we will clarify if possible. We apologize for any typos in this post, we are on mobile. We are not sorry for the slightly aggressive tone of this, however.
You are still okay to be here if you simply don't want to interact with or have interaction from a certain group, but if that goes beyond a quiet block and move on, or mild syscourse here and there, nah. If your whole personality and blog is about discourse, please kindly exit. Thank you.
-E😶🌫️ (partially by B💥 as well)
