#pit rage

[corkinavoid]

Danny, appearing out of nowhere: Hi!

Danny, reaching into Jason's chest and pulling out a misshapen, disgusting blob of dark green goo: You've got a spare part you don't need there, buddy.

Danny, molding the goo into a different shape with his bare hands, throwing the darker parts away: And, you know what they say, sharing is caring, so.

Danny, holding up the pure green and slightly glowing blob that is not melting or looking sick anymore: Here you have it, an entirely new spleen, fresh baked and up for grabs!

Danny, shoving said spleen inside Tim: Since you're missing one, you get to have it for free, no returns, you're welcome.

Danny, fading from view with a two-fingered salute: There, puzzle solved, everyone have a great day, bye!

Jason, whose Pit Rage is gone:

Tim, who has a new organ now:

Bruce, who, just like everyone else, has absolutely no idea what just happened and who that glowing kid was:

Dick:

Dick, a moment later: Hold the fuck up, when and how did you have a splenectomy, Timothy?!

[spiders-birds-and-wizards-oh-my]

did someone mention a jason todd/peter parker pit rage episode? hmm? maybe? no? just me? ah, sorry.

as the green haze slowly leaves his mind, the first thought that rushes through him is,

what have i done?

it’s not an unusual one, every time that familiar green takes over, he’s usually caused some type of damage, killed someone, even.

jason takes a deep breath, trying to familiarize himself with his settings.

wherever he is smells homey, like rugs and coffee and books, and there’s the slight tang of metal in the air.

it’s all very familiar.

the floor underneath him is hard, but there’s something strong and soft wrapped around him.

had he gotten himself captured? he didn’t think so.

opening his eyes, he is brought into an… apartment?

it sure as shit isn’t his, but it’s familiar in the way he knows his own.

his breathing is still heavy, as he slumps against whatever restraints hold him.

as they tighten around him minutely, he realizes they aren’t restraints at all.

they’re limbs.

red and blue and strong limbs, keeping his arms down and holding his head gently, all the while ensuring no movement will be made on his part.

“webs..?” he gets out through parched lips, his throat aching at the vocalization.

“you with me, red?” is returned, the limbs wrapped around him gentling to a sort of octopus hug, instead of the tight hold it had been.

“w-what did i…” it hurts to think, to talk, he’s so exhausted.

this is normal for an episode, too, but strangely, he already feels so much better than he normally did.

spider-man.

peter.

it was the first time peter had been around for one.

the thought was both horrifying and comforting, and he wasn’t sure which to lean towards.

he painstakingly raises his shaking hands, patting at the torso in front of him.

now that he’s more aware, he can see that they’re on the floor of peter’s apartment, the smaller man sitting right on top of him, his legs had been twisted around his arms, with his own holding jason’s head close to his body.

peter leans back slightly, giving jason room to pat him down.

“you didn’t hurt me, jay. you didn’t hurt anyone.” it’s whispered between them like a promise, like the solace found within a raging storm.

jason can’t temper down his panic quite yet, shaking hands making their way to peter’s flushed cheeks, holding his face between his hands as he breathes in the presence of the other.

“you- you’re okay? you swear it?” this time the whisper is desperate, punching through the pain he feels.

peter’s hands mirror his, softly brushing a thumb across his cheek, the other through the thick hair matted above his forehead. he smiles a quiet, secret smile, and jason unconsciously leans closer, waiting to be let in on it.

“do you remember when we first sparred?” he asks, tilting his head and smiling like he was never worried at all.

jason’s heartbeat slows down at that, as he nods his head softly.

“i had you pinned down, you couldn’t move. and i told you that you would never be able to hurt me if i didn’t let you. remember that?” peter’s hand gently unknots his hair, and jason feels something tight loosen in his chest that he didn’t even know was there.

“yeah.” he breathes, leaning into the other man’s hold.

“well, i wasn’t joking.” when jason opens his eyes again, bluegreen meet crinkled brown. “dick called almost as soon as you left the cave. i came here to start tracking you down, but you were already here.” his smile turns mischievous for a moment, like he knew something jason didn’t, before softening again at jason’s no doubt disheveled look. “maybe you wanted the weapons stashed here. maybe you knew it was safe. maybe, you knew it was where i’d come.”

jason breathes, letting it hit him fully, that he really hadn’t hurt anyone. he had immediately come here, and so it seems, had peter.

he leans his forehead against peter’s chest, breathing as he reconciles the information.

“we were here the whole time, love. just you and me.” was mumbled into the top of his head, and he could almost feel the last of the strings holding him up being cut, muscles finally relaxing into this man that he fully knew would protect him.

and what a strange, euphoric feeling that was. to be the one being protected.

the hand moving through his hair continues as he fights against slumber, his own resting on the spider’s hips, gently holding him close.

“thank you.” he breathes in peter, coffee and old books and that slight metal twang, mixed with the comforting sandalwood scent of his shampoo and conditioner.

“nothing to thank me for, jay.” a kiss to the top of his head. “i never get cuddles this long when you’re always on the move.” that gets a huff of laughter from the larger man. “come on, i’m thinking a quick shower, something easy to eat, and straight into bed. whaddya say, big guy?”

jason presses a soft kiss to whatever skin he can reach.

“that sounds like a dream, baby.”

and peter’s smile as he hauls him up off the floor is blinding. fangs poking through his parted lips and eyes crinkled like the world wasn’t on fire, and jason wanted to believe them, he wanted to believe him.

he wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.

[queeniewithabeanie]

The Reason for Corruption

Dpxdc prompt #5

It is a widely used headcanon in the dpxdc fandom that the lazarus pits are corrupted ectoplasm. However I have never seen anyone give an explanation for why they are corrupted past "they're runoff of the Infinite Realms." What possibly in the dpxdc fandom could be powerful and corrupt enough to taint that much ectoplasm?

The Ring of Rage

When Pariah Dark was put in the Sarcophagus of Forever Sleep he was sealed with the Crown of Fire, but not the Ring of Rage.

In the time between when Pariah was sealed and Vlad found the Ring of Rage in his keep there probably could have been a couple hundred years where the ring was lost in some ectoplasm.

This gives a reason for why Jason has pit rage. There's nothing more corrupting than the Ring of Rage. Rage is (quite literally) in its job description.

It also explains why the pit healed his injuries and made him physically stronger. With the Crown of Fire, the Ring of Rage gives infinite power, so on its own it should still be pretty powerful. If mixed with ectoplasm (something known to bring things back to life) it could probably do more than just bring the person to the state they were in before they died.

And with power comes corruption, which can explain why Ra's al Ghul is so enamored with the pits. While keeping him alive for hundreds of years past when he should have reasonably expired is good on its own, the power of the pits corrupting him does make sense when you think about it.

I'd also find it really funny if Danny saw Jason and is just like, "excuse me when did you get your hands on the Ring of Rage."

Like he thought that thing was sealed with Pariah and then later sealed in his own haunt. Why does this random twenty something crime lord have the Ring of Rage's power intertwined with his (not even fully formed) core.

Danny: see's residue of the ring of rage's power on jason

Danny: now correct me if i'm wrong

Danny: but that is Not Right

[functionalasfuck]

DP X DC Backstory/Worldbuilding Prompt #13

[Prompt Masterpost]

Ghosts have Obsessions. Revenants have Vengeance.

(As a spoony myself, I always get a little frustrated with the “miracle cure trope”. I don’t care as much when it comes to magically and instantly curing Jason’s Pit Rage the moment he meets Danny cause it’s not a real condition, but I’ve been curious about treating the Pit Rage as a chronic incurable condition, but Danny and the Realms know better on how to manage and mitigate it. This post isn’t about that I just wanted to say)

Revenants are created when they die with extreme violence near enough ectoplasm/ectoplasmic beings and emotions to create a vindictive shade who latches onto the person they expect to get them vengeance. This person, now haunted with a vindictive shade, will experience extreme bouts of violence and rage until they succeed in enacting vengeance for the shade.

Now if the person haunted by the shade is somehow able to resist the call for vengeance, and potentially go against it, and if the shade experiences enough ectoplasmic exposure during their haunting of their target, they might claw themselves back to their body to finish the job themself. However, typically these are just vindictive zombies. With no other understanding or consciousness outside of that of a shade. But if that shade gets enough access to a large saturation of ectoplasm, they can become a revenant.

This is why revenants are so rare. Almost as rare as Halfas. A lot has to happen for them to become realized.

(Get on my DC stands for Disregard Canon because I don’t know the timelines for all this shit)

When Jason dies, the punishment Joker receives is just to go back in timeout until he breaks free again. There aren’t even any legal charges against him regarding the death of Robin since Batman keeps the death hush hush. So Batman becomes haunted by Jason’s vindictive shade causing him to go on a warpath through Gotham as he continues to refuse to give any further punishment to the Joker. Tim intervenes and reverse parents/therapizes Bruce into finding some way to manage his guilt, rage, and violence that is being amplified by the shade trying to force him to do something about the Joker. But Batman’s Will is extremely strong (because he’s a fucked up furry). And Tim helps him manage it (you can get some Tim whump being an emotional support for a violent man that is meant to be his father figure dealing with his own “pit rage”). Jason’s shade finally becomes a vindictive zombie when Dick beats the Joker to death and Bruce fucking resuscitates him and just sends him back to time out. (Batman’s codependence on the Joker needs to be studied in Arkham, honestly). Then Talia finds his zombie and plops him in the Lazurus Pits and tada! He’s a revenant.

Now Pit Rage is exacerbated by the Lazarus pits, but not the cause. The thing that keeps a revenant tied to the land of the living is their rage and need for vengeance. If you take away the rage and revenge, revenants might just return to the realm of the dead. Luckily if they do so, they’ll become Realms Denizens because they’re so chock full of ectoplasm now (all full denizens require a lot of prerequisites to become denizens. The only reason they have as large of a population as they do is because they’re the dead of every single infinite realm in existence. It requires a perfect storm to become a dead denizen) so Jason could still interact with his family if he went that route, but nobody wants that.

Because a revenants vengeance is like a ghosts obsession, if a revenant ignores their vengeance, they could End. Luckily, Jason’s vengeance is also tied with the abandonment of Crime Alley and violently protecting it is similar to a ghost acting out their obsessions. But now everyone is grappling with the idea that if they Kill the Joker, Jason would probably finally be at peace and the rage torture would end. But if they go through with it, Jason might return to the realm of the dead.

So, do you kill the Joker or not?

[anonymousmoth43]

POLL

I’m bored of Danny’s league name being Danyal because I feel like NO ONE with league training would chose the most obvious name ever + I hate that the difference is Arabic/US written, it makes me upset thinking that he said his name was Danyal which sounds different from Danial and he’s stuck with the whitewashed version. Anyway, because of this I decided on the name Diphda al Ghul, maybe w/ a middle name so it’d be Diphda Diyari al Ghul. Diyari means a gift.

Diphda al Ghul. It’s a strong name and matches well with Damian. The name is from the star Diphda and the meaning behind the star is the second frog. In a bible of some kind it says “In that day the Lord with His severe sword, great and strong, Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.” about the star it’s from. I think it would be ironic if they named him this. I could imagine they named him this thinking it means he will punish and slay the fleeing LoA members who betrayed them but instead he punishes Ra’s in his eventual afterlife.

Now for the Poll part, I want him to be older then Damian but not the heir so there are two options.

Option A is that originally he was the heir but they decided it was a better strategy to create and train a bodyguard of types for Damian who could suppress him and to do that they needed the same DNA which is why they’re brothers.

Option B is that he has a physical ailment that the pits can’t fix/caused so Ra’s says he’s an unfit heir. Either pit rage from a near death or something like muteness, blindness, or deafness. Which btw does not make you less capable, Ra’s is just ableist. For this one whatever causes him to not be the heir happened/was discovered at birth which means the name would make since.

Reason For Not Being the Heir

Option A

Option B

Voting ended onJul 10, 2024

For this one if you chose B then pick which ailment you think would be interesting to see (Pit rage, blindness, deafness, muteness) and tell me in the comments or something.

[flamingpudding]

Fictober23 Prompt: 2 - "Don't worry, I got you."

Fandom: DPxDC

Rating: T

Warnings: Mentions of death, implied mentions of panic attacks handling, Jason typical profanity

"Don't worry, I got you."

These were the first words Jason could finally hear after what felt like forever. His head was pounding and his vision was still tinted green but slowly he felt like he was gaining control over the rage that had taken over.

He couldn't remember what triggered it, nor what he had done when his vision turned green. All he remembers was that he had been out on Patrol before he heard a scream. But now he could feel two hands resting on his shoulder. A young voice resounded in his ears, telling him to breathe in deeply, hold it and then breathe out. He remembers this exercise, B had made sure they all knew this one, so that they could help anyone that was working themselves into a panic attack. But he wasn't suffering through one, was he?

Unconsciously his eyes closed, blocking his vision of the still tinted green world.

"That's it. Try to redirect that power, don't let the Mania take hold. Can you feel your core? Try listening for its humming."

What core? What do they mean? Yet despite not knowing what they were talking about Jason tried to follow the direction the voice gave him. He wasn't sure why he was even listening to them, but something in him made the vigilante want to trust them. Redirect the power, they had said. Maybe they meant the Pit Rage? But how? Feeling for his core? Did they mean his heart? Jason could do that, he focused on his heart beat, tried to sense how it beat rhythmically in his chest and heard the blood rushing in his veins. Now that he listened there was a humming next to his heartbeat. Was this what they meant? Probably.

"Great you found your core, focus on it. Store that power in there for now."

Nodding slightly Jason tried to do what they said. Whatever this core was, he imaged it like a box and then mentally stuffed all that Pit Rage into it. Every bit of rage and madness the Pit made him feel, everything. He pushed it all into the box he imagined as that core and once it was all in there he decided to go a step further. His eyebrows furrowed as he imagined closing the lit of the box and putting a big fat lock on it. Like the one B put on his weapon storage after he raided it 5 times in a row when he had run out of grenades to throw at drug dealers and other scum lurking in his territory.

"Hey! Hey! Don't overdo it! Your core is still tiny! To much power und you will be in big trouble if it bursts the next time!"

His eyes snapped open. The first thing he noticed was his version was no longer tinted green. The second thing he noticed was the kid floating with no legs before him. Lazarus Green eyes coupled with snow white hair stared concerned yet relieved back at him.

"What the fuck-"

"Great! You're back to your senses!" The kid cut him of grinning at him and Jason was just confused and also surprised at himself. He did not feel anymore rage or a need for violence but instead his mind for once felt calm and a whole lot Pit free. Though there was the confusion of WHO THE FUCK WAS THAT KID?

"I honestly didn't expect to find another Halfa when I was contacted by Pandora to look into something. But Clockwork did mention something before, that I should look out for his Granddaughters fan that lives in Gotham and wears a red helmet. Didn't think I would meet you this soon though or like that. I haven't even greeted Lady Gotham yet. I was just on my way to the center of her haunt when I got these real disturbing feelings and bam you appeared out of nowhere attacking and I was forced-"

He cut the kids rambling off by rudely shoving his hand over the kids mouth to make the boy stop talking. "Shut up for a second there kid and let me catch up. You just dumped a lot of info there."

The kid had the nerve to sheepishly rub the back of his neck as he floated backwards a little, away from his hand that was covering his mouth. "Sorry, I got excited there. I think this must have been how the fruitloop had felt at first before things went to shit, when he found out I was a Halfa too. It's just kind of exciting, you know? There aren't a lot of us."

"The fuck you mean Halfa?" He questioned and mentally thanked his self from a couple hours ago for choosing to go on patrol with his trusted helmet instead of listening to his brother to use just a mask because of the head. This way the kid was not able to see his facial expression escaping him with all the info bombs the kid kept dropping.

"Half death, half alive. Well more like Half Ghost, Half human but details." The kid shrugged and Jason really wanted to pinch the bridge of his nose right now through his helmet.

"Last I checked I appear to be pretty alive, kid." He would know if he weren't or at least he hoped he would know, somehow.

"Well duh. That's the half alive part. The half death part is your second form, have you not managed to transform yet? I mean your core is tiny but that shouldn't matter to much. You did die and then come back alive with the balance sort of regulated by a big amount of ectoplasm, right? Though I have to say that the ectoplasm in your system is very unusual. It's so different from what I feel from Dani, Dan or even the fruitloop. I probably should drag you to Frostbite as soon as possible but there are no portals here so I would have to drag you either to my home or Wisconsin first, or maybe find a natural portal but that's harder than just taking you to one of the permanent open ones. Speaking of Dani and Dan, they gotta be excited to hear that there is another Halfa in our age range that's not related via cloning or time shenanigans! That's gotta be so fun and we can show-"

"Kid, you're rambling again." Jason cut in suppressing a sigh. Cloning? Time shenanigans? What the fuck was he getting into by associating with this kid? "Did anyone ever tell you that you are bad at explaining?"

"My friends and older sister." The kid answered with no delay, like he had been asked that same question before. "Also I am 20."

Jason wished the kid could see how he arched an eyebrow under his helmet. He could have tricked him if he didn't look like a 14 years old. The kid appeared to sense it anyway as they huffed and pouted his way. "I swear I am! My Ghost form is just stuck at looking like the age I died at! I haven't figured out how to manipulate my ectoplasm to make my ghost self look older yet! I swear Dan has been holding this over me for years now!"

"Sure kid, let's just get back to that Halfa thing and what that means for me." Jason didn't know what exactly the kid was nor what the kid meant by Jason apparently being also an Halfa -was it?-, which meant the kid was one in the first place. "By the way, who are you?"

"Oh right! I am Danny Phantom! Nice to meet you Red Hood! And pleases stop calling me a kid! I swear I am not anymore!" Well that was at least a step forward. Now Jason just had to figure out how to get the information he really needed from the kid, Danny, without listening to excessive rambling as well as how to explain just all of this to Bruce and the rest of his siblings. He can already hear them freaking out about it.

No wait, he actually could hear them freak out right now. Oh shit! His coms were on, weren't they? Wait did Dickwing just say ETA 5? And B just said ETA 3! Shit, fuck, damit! His family were on the way and he was not sure if the Halfa Kid, or whatever, would run at the site of them. B would probably scare the shit out of the kid just to get answers.

Well at least, the good thing so far was that the Pit was quiet now and the kid could apparently help him control it and the Pit Rage better.

[lena-thinks-too-much]

Some post death Jason things that fanon gets wrong

1. Talia kidnaps a catatonic Jason from the hospital (or in some versions his dead body)

While generally speaking this isn't that big of a difference, I recently read Red Hood: Lost Days and the way Jason ends up with Talia is actually really interesting.

Jason claws his way out of his grave, which is public and unmarked and wanders out of the grave yard. He's catatonic due to the brain damage from what joker did and kinda just wanders along the highway trying to make it back home. Meanwhile whoever's security at the cemetery find Jason's grave, assume it was caused by grave robbers and decide that they'd rather cover it up instead of get in trouble for letting it happen. While this is happening Jason get's hit by a car on the road and police are called. Because he's legally dead he they fail to id him and he's admitted to a hospital as a John Doe. He's in a coma for some time and once he wakes up, he promptly runs away and begins living on the streets in crime alley. At some point some big guy tries to pick a fight with Jason and his training kicks in. Jason does a flip and someone recognizes the move as Robin. This leads to Talia finding out that Jason is alive and that's how she ends up taking him to the league of assassins.

2. Ra's was involved with Jason's training

Ra's wasn't really for doing anything with Jason. Even less so when they realized he was catatonic. He kinda let Talia do whatever she felt like but after a few months of no improvement from Jason, he insisted she called the whole thing off because it was a waste of league resources. This is what spurs Talia into shoving Jason into a lazarus pit. Which just pisses off Ra's.

3. Jason's revenge plan was due to Talia's manipulation

While Talia did tell jason that he "remains unavenged" she also told him to "not seek him out". I've always assumed the antecedent to "him" was Bruce.

In fact Jason's little revenge arc is something Talia was super against. He does the whole bomb under the batmobile thing soon after getting out of the pit but he fails to actually go through with it. Because Talia doesn't actually want Bruce dead she decides to distract Jason by sending him to specialists around the world.

I'm not 100% sure why she later shows him the pictures of Tim. Because that's the point where she sleeps with Jason (which is already a weird choice), leaves him the helmet, and seems to know Jason's going to go back to Gotham with this information.

But generally Talia was trying to keep Jason away from Bruce until he calmed down - which, considering dude kept killing his teachers was definitely going to be a bit.

4. Jason and Damian met in the league

Okay I'll start this one off by saying I love the fics that do this, but there seem to be a lot of people who genuinely believe this happened. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but outside of the young justice universe, it's quite literally impossible.

Jason was being sent to instructors around the world after coming out of the pit. In fact he was technically being hunted by Ra's for daring to use the pit. Talia herself barely interacted with Jason. Damian certainly didn't.

The argument could be made that Damian and Jason met before the pit but Jason clearly has memories from when he was catatonic and from what I know, he doesn't recognize damian when he meets him later on.

5. Pit madness

Look, there's nothing quite as tasty as a Titan's Tower AU where Jason's stalking through the tower hopped up on pit rage with glowing green eyes only to fully lose his anger at seeing Tim Drake being a disaster of a human. Literally my favorite trope of all time. I highly doubt there's a fic under this tag that I haven't read yet.

That being said pit rage or pit madness quite literally doesn't exist. The closest thing we get in the comics is a temporary burst of madness immediately following exposure to the lazarus pit. But it doesn't last. Definitely not as long as some people seem to believe.

Jason isn't the only person to use the pits in the comics. The Al Ghul's obviously but also bruce takes his own swim later on. But Jason's the only one people think have pit madness (and also Ra's Al Ghul but he doesn't count because there's no way you survive 7 centuries without going insane). The closest thing we see to pit madness in the comics is when Nyssa tortures Talia with her personal lazarus pit (that she experimented on) by repeatedly kiled and revived her until she quite literally breaks Talia's mind.

The pit madness that people attribute to Jason, however, most closely resembles the kind of bloodlust and animalistic behavior we see from people who use the lazarus pits in the Arrowverse, and no one is ever going to accuse that of being canon. So yeah these are just some things that while I actually quite enjoy reading in fanfics, they aren't actually true and it genuinely astounds me, how many people think it's canon and not fanon.

let me know if I missed any or got something wrong because I'm mostly working off my memorie for the red hood lost days references.

disclaimer: I'm fully aware that fanon ≠ canon. However these are things that I see a lot of fans treating as fact and that just generally irks me. Like I'm all for cherry picking the timelines and details that you like and adding your headcanons into the mix. It's the best part of fandom. But also I think it's important to at least be aware of what's canonical (although with DC that does generally turns into a mess)

[puppetmaster13u]

Prompt 78

 “So let me get this straight.” Mr Nightwing pinched the bridge of his nose, looking tired before motioning to Mr. Jason. “You were in a Pit episode, which if I remember right usually causes you to rampage-” Well that was rude. “-and instead of that happening it somehow latched onto them-” Mr Nightwing motioned towards them. “And now you’re… co-parenting. With the Pit rage.” Honestly he didn’t understand why Mr Nightwing was having so much trouble understanding. Mr. Pit (“Y’know what, we’re stealing our host’s middle name, call us Peter.”) was really nice and bundled them up in blankets even though they were failed clones and should have been terminated, and Mr Jason was really nice too and made them food, not the icky mush!

 “What the fuck little wing.” 

Bonus DCxDP crossover could have the clones be some Danny Phantom characters. Maybe reincarnated, maybe through a wish, maybe just ghost shenanigans, who knows