#randomthingsandstuffs

[gemsofgreece]

Will you make a post about "Erophili"? Just asking because I'm already familiar with "Erotokritos".

I haven't read it yet but here are a few things.

Erophile is a tragic poem, following patterns of ancient tragedies, written by Georgios Hortatsis around 1595 in the island of Crete. It is inscripted to Ioannis Murmuris, a lawyer from Chania. It was first published in Venice in 1637.

The story takes places in Memphis of Egypt. Unlike Erotokritos the story is DARK.

It is the love story of Erophíle and Panáretos. Erophile is the daughter of the (horrible) king Philóghonos, who has killed his brother, the rightful king, and Panaretos is raised in the court, being an exiled prince of another country (probably Georgia) but his true identity is not known. The two grow up together in the court and their childhood friendship evolves into a strong romance. They get secretly married. At some point, the king decides to have his daughter married and he accepts only the wealthiest and most powerful suitors. The king forces Panaretos to inform Erophile that she is to get married. The couple is devastated and take oaths of eternal loyalty.

[SPOILERS]

The king finds out about the secret marriage. He decides to kill Panaretos, despite Erophile's desperate attempts to reason with him. Panaretos then reveals his identity as an exiled prince but nobody believes him. Philoghonos cuts his head, arms and tongue and cuts out his heart, which he offers to Erophile as a wedding gift, right after he pretends to accept her marriage to Panaretos. Erophile kills herself. The chorus, which is comprised by Erophile's ladies in waiting, murders Philoghonos.

There are also characters and themes inspired by ancient tragedies like Charon, a Chorus, a god - Sun and the ghost of the murdered brother king that it is suggested he causes these events as a revenge. The vengeful brother ghost reminds me of Hamlet and interestingly Hamlet was being written around the exact same time but it is unclear which was finished first. Hamlet was definitely published first though.

[attichoney4u]

Ryuko Matoi and Kiryuin Satsuki from "Kill la kill".

[allbeendonebefore]

Sorry for bothering you, but I always wondered how should I know that something I read or heard on the internet is true. Just asking, because I noticed that there's a lot of misinformation, especially on your field.

Not a bother, it's a complicated question and not something I can answer in one little blog post but I can start unpacking the box.

No matter how much expertise someone has, everyone is vulnerable to misinformation. Critical thinking is also a skill that is very hard to teach and has to be practiced and kept active all the time. This is something that I mostly developed in post-secondary, and it's very difficult to unlearn and relearn and build your critical thinking muscles but well worth it.

There isn't really one magical fact checking database for any subject that will tell you if something is true or not. In fact, a lot of things can be "true" at the same time and require a lot of contextual knowledge that may be difficult or impossible to access in order to answer.

Some questions you might think about asking when encountering some new information might be: who is telling me this? how do they know this? did they refer to any other sources? why are they telling me this? what is missing or being left out on purpose? are they oversimplifying something? Is this motivated by current events in some way? who would i trust on this subject? where would I find out more? Is the person sharing this trying to shock or incite their audience?

This last one is especially important- if something makes you feel anger or shock or disgust, sometimes it might be because it involves confronting something deeply rooted within yourself and asking why you feel that way; sometimes shock and anger are used in order to spread information quickly because people tend to share negative things more quickly than they will positive things online and that's a cheap way to get likes. Sometimes it might even be a bit of both. A lot of it is just accepting that there is no right answer, it's just as important to ask what is missing or inaccessible in order to understand the root of the problem.

Fact checking is something that is increasingly easy AND increasingly difficult. A lot of answers may be behind a paywall or only written in highly academic language, but I think a lot of academics and experts do really like answering questions about their fields and will happily respond to your questions or make their work available to you. Knowing who to ask can be difficult, and it is probably a good idea to ask a few different experts - understanding why their opinions might be different is important and gives you a better foundation to ask different questions. At the end of the day, this is what "discourse" is (not call out posts or -phobic comments), engaging with a problem from multiple angles.

Classics is a field that is built on sand. A lot of what we know about the ancient world is based on things we can never "truly" verify or fact check. This makes the field rife with political agendas and a magnet for people who want to use the ancient world as a soapbox to justify positions that are often discriminatory. It's important to remember that experts still exist and that knowing what we don't know is still a very powerful tool that requires years of study, it's important to always be looking back across the whole provenance of the information we have and re-thinking how it got here and what effect we are having on the discipline right now, and it's important to remember that the ancient world was just as messy and complicated and vibrant as the world we live in today.

[athensandspartaadventures]

@randomthingsandstuffs

Our queen posts more frequently! Does that mean that AaSA is gonna make a comeback soon?

Short answer is no sadly

long answer is because the amount of research I have to do and decisions I have to make about chapter 8 is still stressing me out. This is the second chapter I will be writing while I'm no longer in classics and the first chapter I'll be writing no longer in school. I have my personal collection of books but because of the pandemic I don't have normal alumni access to the university library. The way I do research has to completely adapt so my focus has been on other things and I'm still slowly working through the Iliad right now. I haven't written a single word of script for this chapter and I realize it's been literal years but a lot has happened and it's currently a source of stress for me rather than relief.

Drawing is also going to be a challenge because I need to make the formal decision whether to change the program I draw the comics in and whether to change the style of the comic completely and that's a whole other stress. ;~; so in the meantime I'm just trying to revisit the characters when I can to make sure they are remaining easy to draw and distinct in my mind.

finally i'm not a queen im more like a tyrant :'D

[attichoney4u]

Click here to see the first part.

Note: the series was inspired by @athensandspartaadventures by Hapo (@allbeendonebefore) and has no intention to insult you, rather to entertain you. Without further ado, enjoy!

Welcome to the second part of "Linguistic differences between Athens and Thessaloniki" (the link for the first part can be found above), a sub-series of "Athens and Thessaloniki Adventures", which attempts (but fails) to explain to non-Greeks how things run in Modern Greece (because you know, it's not just Ancient Greece, we still exist, damn it!).

I originally wanted to draw this post in digital art and then turn it into a gif, but after four tries, I was frustrated about the result and I decided to do it in the old traditional way that I'm more familiar. And to be honest, I'm glad how it turned out.

And, as you probably gonna find out, I'm still looking for my art style. Guess I'll have to wait to get my own digital pen and tablet, instead of doing it with my finger on the phone.

Today's topic is about the infamous "me/mou" and "se/sou" debate (which in English roughly translates to "me" and "you" respectfully) and the less infamous but still prominent "tou/ton" and "tis/tin" (which in English roughly translates to "him" and "her" respectfully).

ATHENS

Let's start with the capital. The Athenians (and generally, the South Greeks) use "mou", "sou" and "tou/tis" where the Thessalonians (and generally, the North Greeks) would use "me", "se" and "ton/tin" respectfully.

Examples include:

Translation:

First bubble (first row on the left): "Με πήρες τηλέφωνο" - "Me pires tilephono" - "You called me on the phone"

Second bubble (first raw on the right): "Μου πήρες τηλέφωνο" - "Mou pires tilephono" - "You got me a phone"

Third bubble (second row on the left): "Άνοιξέ μου από πίσω" - "Anoixe mou apo piso" - "Open for me from behind"

Fourth bubble (second raw on the right): "Άνοιξέ με από πίσω" - "Anoixe me apo piso" - "Open me from behind"

Fifth bubble (third row on the left): "Πλάκα ΜΟΥ κάνεις;! […] ΣΟΥ λέω!" - "Plaka MOU kaneis?! […] SOU leo!" - "Are you kidding ME? […] I'm telling YOU!"

Sixth bubble (third row on the right): "Του/της είπες…;" - "Tou/tis eipes…?" - "Did you tell him/her…?"

Introducing Attika (with a "k", instead of the anglo-saxon "c") aka fem!Athens and Athens' wife in the original comic. I'm would really love to introduce more characters as well, but I don't think I'm gonna do it with Ionia, since she's part of Turkey nowadays and our relations with that country aren't exactly… nice and I don't want to explain further…

And it really saddens me, because she was adorable! 😢

As for Modern Corinth, Sparta and Thebes, I don't think they're gonna make many appearances as they don't have that much influence today (which is a shame, because I really liked Corinth) and because the "Big Ones" now are Athens, Thessaloniki, Piraeus, Crete and Patras.

I'm not sure if I should introduce a male! Thessaloniki, as the region where the city is located is also called Thessaloniki and it will sound confusing to readers.

Moving on…

THESSALONIKI

Now it's the time for the co-capital. The Thessalonians (and generally, the North Greeks) use "me", "se" and "ton/tin" where the Athenians (and generally, the South Greeks) would use "mou", "sou" and "tou/tis" respectfully.

Examples include:

Translation:

First bubble (first row on the right): "Με πήρες τηλλέφωνο" - "Me pires tilllephono" - "You got me a phone/ You called me on the phone"

Second bubble (first row on the left): "Άνοιξε με από πίσω" - "Anoixe me apo piso" - "Open for me from behind"

Third bubble (second row): "Πλλάκα ΜΕ κάνεις;! […] ΣΕ λλέω! Τον/την είπες;" - "Pllaka ME kaneis?! […] SE lleo! Ton/tin eipes?" - "Are you kidding ME?! […] I'm telllling YOU! Did you tellll him/her?"

Now, a philologist or anyone who has studied ancient greek will say that the me/se/ton/tin is the right form, despite the mou/sou/tou/tis being far more popular and used more often in greek media. And it's true. I will still use mou/sou/tou/tis, however. Because I'm South Greek. But mainly, because I'm an awful person 😈. Same goes with "kalamaki".

If I was wrong about something or confused you, plz tell me and I will keep that in my mind or help you.

Thanks for reading my post and have a lovely day (or a lovely night). Bye! 😘

[attichoney4u]

Click fore better quality!

Note: the series was inspired by @athensandspartaadventures by Hapo (@allbeendonebefore ) and has no intention to insult you, rather to entertain you. Without further ado, enjoy!

Big inspiration from @allbeendonebefore . The designs for Corinth based from her work!

So, a few notes to better understand the humor in this page:

Euro (€) is the currency we use. For non-European readers (and Europeans who belong in the European Union, but don't use €), 1€ = 1,08$.

Quite many Greek series and movies often depict us Greeks selling souvenirs to foreign tourists (we understand they're not from Greece from the fact they speak English) in a ridiculous high price. The reason for that, you may ask? Well, foreign tourists (especially the ones from North Europe and North America) are rich and we Greeks are currently dealing with an economic crisis, so we need their money. If you want a lower price, show some respect for Greek culture, maybe try to say a few Greek sentences (in Modern Greek, not Ancient, there's a key difference). It will still be a bit expensive, but not that expensive. And if you want that souvenir in it's original price, try becoming friends with the shop owner. Once they like you, they'll be open towards you (thankfully, we Greeks pride ourselves as being warm and friendly people and we strive to live to that positive stereotype).

For @athensandspartaadventures readers, I imagine Corinth still being into a merchant job or something, so that's why I had her working as a shop runner.

If I was wrong about something or confused you, plz tell me and I will keep that in my mind or help you.

Thanks for reading my post and have a lovely day (or a lovely night). Bye! 😘

[attichoney4u]

Big inspiration from @allbeendonebefore. The designs from Athens and Thessaloniki were both inspired by her!

@allbeendonebefore has created a comic titled @athensandspartaadventures, which is, as the title suggests, about the adventures of two most famous ancient greek city-states.

Because I enjoyed her comic, I decided to make something like a poster for a comic about the adventures of the current biggest cities of Greece (which is not gonna come any time soon).

In case you're wondering, it's called "Athens and Thessaloniki Adventures".

Plz excuse for not being that good. Also, I'm too lazy to draw the background 🙃

There's a stereotype about these two cities that they have a rivalry and that they're constantly fighting for even the pettiest reasons. This rivalry is even parodied in some greek series.

The Thessalonians are usually depicted as chill, pretty fun people to be around and that they're extremely prood about their city (Thessaloniki is famous for being really pretty, despite its size. Unfortunately, I have never visited it 😔).

The Athenians, on the other side, are usually depicted as more modern (though, this is more evident when they're hanging out with villagers) and while they're not as prood of their city as the Thessalonians are (they're more willing to accept that it has its flaws), they will still try to defend it if they feel the arguments against it are too much.

Anyway, if you like ancient greek history, I recommend you checking out Hapo's comic, 'cause honestly it's just hilarious. At least do it for Corinth. Corinth is utterly badass and Hapo's writing skills are shinning whenever Corinth is around.

[attichoney4u]

Kill la Kill Foreshadowings: Episode No.5: "Trigger"

Hello beautiful people of the internet. My name is Mary and this post will present, as the title suggests, various foreshadowings shown in "Kill la Kill".

Before we get into the fifth episode, I have to warn you that this post is gonna be spoiler-heavy, so I recommend you checking out the series. If you have watched the series and don’t like it, don’t write mean comments. Ok?

Without further ado, let's go!

Tsumugu's worries that Senketsu will swallow Ryuko if she continues to wear him. A later episode shows that and it's terrifying!

Tsumugu carries a gun that disinfects life fibers. One could think that he knows more about these life forms and it turns out is true, as him and Aikuro are friends and Aikuro is already shown to have a knowledge about the life fibers.

It's the first time Nudist Beach is mentioned. Nudist Beach is an organisation that plans to rebel against Ragyo and and her fascist means.

Tsumugu rides a motorcycle and is dressed in punk clothes. Usually, characters like him scream "Don't underestimate us!"

Similarly, the fact that he attacks the school facility. Even though he was shown pulling out a gun and aiming at Ryuko, people may think that he isn't one of the bad guys. Which turned out true.

That's all I've got to offer. Thank you for reading my post, and I am gonna be back next week. See you soon.😘